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62 Percent of Americans Say They Favor a Flat Tax
REASON ^ | 04/19/2014 | Emily Ekins

Posted on 04/19/2014 11:09:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



The latest Reason-Rupe poll asked Americans if they would support or oppose changing the federal tax system to a flat tax, where everyone pays the same percentage of his or her income, finding that 62 percent favor the flat tax and 33 percent are opposed. When asked where they would set the flat tax, the aveage response was 15 percent.

This reflects another recent Reason-Rupe poll finding that 67 percent of Americans say it is "not the responsibility of the government to reduce the differences in income between people with high incomes and those with low incomes," while 29 percent say it is.

Strong support for a flat tax extends across income groups (62 percent) among those making less than $30,000 a year and 73 percent among those making more than $110,000 a year. Similarly across education groups and age groups, 6 in 10 say they support the flat tax.

Support for a flat tax extends beyond partisanship, with 66 percent of Republicans, 68 percent of independents, and 52 percent of Democrats in support. Nevertheless, Democrats are more likely to oppose the flat tax (43 percent) compared to Republicans (29 percent) and independents (29 percent).

Americans who say the less government the better and that the free market can better solve problems than a strong government, favor a flat tax by a margin of nearly 50 points (roughly 72 to 25 percent). However, those who think government should be doing more and that we need a strong government to solve problems favor a flat tax by only 8 points (roughly 51 to 45 percent).

These results seem to contradict previous Reason-Rupe poll results finding a majority in support of raising taxes on the wealthy—implying support for a progressive rather than flat tax. In 2012, Reason-Rupe found that 57 percent favored raising taxes "on those making more than $250,000 a year," while 39 percent opposed. Again, in 2013, Reason-Rupe found that 66 percent favored the government raising taxes on “wealthier households,” while 31 percent opposed.

Americans Think The Middle Class Pays More Taxes Than the Rich

One explanation for why Americans say they want both a flat tax and to raise taxes on the wealthy is that 66 percent of Americans are under the distinct impression that the middle class is literally paying a larger share of their income in taxes than the wealthy. Rhetoric throughout the 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns made many Americans believe they were paying more in taxes than the wealthy. Reason-Rupe recently asked Americans who favor these tax increases to explain in their own words why they wanted the wealthy to pay more. While many of the reasons were about the rich being better able to afford higher taxes, many revealed that they believe the rich actually pay less taxes than they do (full responses here):

Urban Institute data reports that in fact, the wealthy do pay a higher tax rate than the middle class. Average effective federal tax rates in 2011, as a percentage of adjusted gross income find the following (after tax credits):

Lowest Income Quintile: -5.8%

Second Quintile: 1.3%

Middle Quintile: 9.2%

Fourth Quintile: 12.9%

Top Quintile: 20.6%

The “1 Percent” pay 25.3%”

Reason-Rupe also found that only about 20 percent of Americans knew the actual share of federal income tax dollars paid by the top 5 percent of households, which is roughly 60 percent of all tax receipts. Without knowing these facts, 57 percent of Americans say they think the top 5 percent should contribute no more than 40 percent of all the tax revenue collected.

These data indicate that the public really doesn’t know how much the rich pay, and often likely make policy judgments based off of the political rhetoric of the politicians and pundits they trust. The more Americans are led to believe that there is widespread cheating among the nation’s wealthy, the greater the support for raising their taxes.

Even though recent polls show that Americans say they support a flat tax and don’t believe government has a responsibility to reduce the income gap, Gallup has found in recent years that a slim majority (52 percent) supports the government “redistribut[ing] wealth by heavy taxes on the rich.” It’s unclear if different wording, the belief that the rich pay less than the middle class, or something else explains these seemingly contradictory findings. It’s likely that many Americans don’t know what the word “redistribute” even means and thus respond as if this is just a question about raising taxes on the wealthy.

Nationwide telephone poll conducted March 26-30 2014 interviewed 1003 adults on both mobile (503) and landline (500) phones, with a margin of error +/- 3.6%. Princeton Survey Research Associates International executed the nationwide Reason-Rupe survey. Columns may not add up to 100% due to rounding. Full poll results, detailed tables, and methodology found here. Sign up for notifications of new releases of the Reason-Rupe poll here.

Emily Ekins is the director of polling for Reason Foundation where she leads the Reason-Rupe public opinion research project.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fairtax; flattax; salestax; taxes

1 posted on 04/19/2014 11:09:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I would pay more with a flat tax, and I am for the flat tax. We need a simplified code to make it easier to comply. We need a law where everybody pays something so they stop thinking government services are free.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 11:11:44 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: SeekAndFind
Russia has a 13% flat tax...
3 posted on 04/19/2014 11:15:13 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SeekAndFind

I prefer the fair tax, but this is good news too


4 posted on 04/19/2014 11:15:15 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about NO tax.

We should have to pay any transaction tax for the labor of our hands. That is OUR property.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 11:15:33 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

RE: How about NO tax.

How do you run the government with that?


6 posted on 04/19/2014 11:16:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

a flat tax still is invasive of our privacy. we should stick with excise taxes (like gasoline taxes) with which taxes can be paid voluntarily and anonymously.


7 posted on 04/19/2014 11:17:48 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I agree - nrst is far superior to any income-based tax.

But I would go for the flat income tax. It would help us out pretty good for a while anyway.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 11:19:54 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

And then there are the manure-spreaders opposing tariffs, whose purpose is to finance government, not to help establish crony capitalists.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 11:21:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SeekAndFind

How did we ever exist before the 16th Amendment?


10 posted on 04/19/2014 11:22:03 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

62 percent of Americans SUPPORT the flat tax - which we will NOT get.

60+ percent of Americans OPPOSE centralized health care - but we’re gonna get it rammed down our throats anyway.

Our government NO LONGER represents US. Period.


11 posted on 04/19/2014 11:22:22 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: SeekAndFind

Reduce the federal government to only those functions enumerated and delegated to it by the U.S. Constitution and you reduce the federal budget by about 90%. The largest item would be national defense. All other functions to be returned to the states and the people to decide per the 10th amendment. Look it up.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 11:23:44 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Marxists will be fine with a flat tax, they’ll just make it 75% of income.

There, aren’t we clever?


13 posted on 04/19/2014 11:23:45 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The problem with ANY tax on income is that the creative will always try to find loopholes around it. They always have. It's human nature. And so, new tax laws will be made to disrupt these creative compensation structures.

Before you know it, our new "flat tax" law is every bit as onerous as the old one.

14 posted on 04/19/2014 11:26:29 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind; fwdude

>> “How do you run the government with that?” <<

Better question is “How does the government run YOU with that!
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15 posted on 04/19/2014 11:26:46 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am definitely in favor of a flat consumption tax to replace the progressive income tax we now have. The change would work against those of us who are now living off a lifetime of after-tax savings, effectively doubling our tax burden, but I am still in favor of it going forward.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 11:29:21 AM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: SeekAndFind
How do you run the government with that?

Gargantuan controlling government is by far the largest employer in the entire country. This is wrong and immoral.

It's time government be dramatically reduced at all levels... With massive reductions in government, it will be much easier to pay for and fund and will not even be an issue.

17 posted on 04/19/2014 11:29:23 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind

I prefer the “Fair Tax” over the Flat Tax.(both are far more preferable over what we have currently)

I believe most people would favor the Fair Tax if they fully understood it, but unfortunately it can’t be explained in five/ten second sound bites, or thirty second ads.

The entire tax system has been hijacked by interests and politicians using it as a vehicle to control virtually every aspect of our financial lives. Everything from accountants, lawyers, companies like H&R Block, the welfare state, and politicians - they’ll never willingly surrender that kind of power. Entire institutions and livelihoods have been built around it. Just like our ‘legal industry’/criminal justice system.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 11:29:53 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SeekAndFind

And a big plus to that would be that with less for them to “control” there would be much less room for bribery and corruption. Also, our congresscritters would have a lot less work to do in DC so could go back to being part-timers. We’d also not have legions of unelected, unaccountable tyrannical bureaucrats unconstitutionally writing legislation (”legally binding” regulations).


19 posted on 04/19/2014 11:31:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: USNBandit
I would pay more with a flat tax, and I am for the flat tax. We need a simplified code to make it easier to comply.

I lived in a flat-tax "country" (Hong Kong). I paid 15%. Deductions only for immediate dependents, nothing else. It was only on income earned in the territory. Fantastically simple. Made earning, saving and building wealth, even in such an expensive city, relatively easy and desirable. On the Government side, made tax collection very easy. Nearly every citizen (except the most poor) paid something, so the tax base was very broad. The simplicity prevented special interests from lobbying the government to hide benefits in a complex code.

I will always be proponent of flat tax.

20 posted on 04/19/2014 11:32:15 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: KoRn

You are right, right, right…..


21 posted on 04/19/2014 11:32:57 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: USNBandit

Bingo. look at last years tax return then take out the property tax and mortgage interest rate deduction as well as your $2,500 personal deduction. Then tax your full gross income at 20% which is what they want to do. You will pay more everytime.

“•“Look at Romney paying less taxes”
•“I think the wealthy should pay as much as the poor percentage-wise equally”
•“I heard too many stories of loopholes that the wealthy figure out how to get out of taxes”
•“Fair share—same percentage”

Most people don’t realize that Romney and most rich people are taxed at the capital gains rate of 15% since they don’t W-2 themselves. They take interest and dividends and pay the capital gains rate. They get this rate because they are job creators and business entrepenuers who invest their money and take chances to build and run business’s. The average Joe does not do that.

This flat tax is a really good idea for Paul Ryan and the tax collectors. A really bad idea for you and me. What we really need is a Fair Tax. Everybody pays it and your lifestyle dictates how much tax you pay. Your choice.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 11:34:21 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: KoRn

RE: I prefer the “Fair Tax” over the Flat Tax.

The problem (still) with the flat tax is this — What constitutes income?

That doesn’t neuter the IRS at all. It does simplifies the tax code but “income” is still defined by Congress and still confiscated by the IRS.

For instance, Will your estate still be FLATLY taxed after you die?

If the answer is yes, then the flat tax STILL does not disempower the IRS.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 11:34:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In other words government has grown so dramatically in the past several decades, the only way to stop it is to stop feeding it. Substantially reducing the size of government will never happen unless we reduce the payroll/revenue it consumes.

Again, this will never happen unless the tax structure is completely changed and that change must include hundreds of billions less every year the government operates on, putting the money back into the pockets of Americans. There is no other way


24 posted on 04/19/2014 11:37:08 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: USNBandit

Depends on what they call income. We know we have millions who are receiving their payment in all cash. Millions of others are living entirely on funds from EBT, WICK, housing subsistance, etc. These people would still end up paying nothing.

IMO if we are going to push for changes in taxes all current Federal taxes and fees should be abolished and use a consumption tax on everything but groceries. That would hit everyone.


25 posted on 04/19/2014 11:37:35 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, this is THE answer to MOST of our nations woes:

“Reduce the federal government to only those functions enumerated and delegated to it by the U.S. Constitution and you reduce the federal budget by about 90%. The largest item would be national defense. All other functions to be returned to the states and the people to decide per the 10th amendment.”

BRAVO!!!


26 posted on 04/19/2014 11:42:32 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Grams A

This is discussed year in and year out...Over and over and over.

The reason this punitive tax structure is never ending and never dramatically changes to the benefit of tax payers, is because the government does not want to do anything which will affect the massive amount of money government consumes.

End of story.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 11:43:13 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only matters what the oligarchs want.


28 posted on 04/19/2014 11:50:17 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: SeekAndFind
In the US, a transaction tax of just 0.35% could raise enough revenue to balance our federal budget, while shrinking the IRS and saving trillions of dollars. Under a transaction tax, every individual, rich or poor, and every company, big or small, would pay the same flat tax on transactions.

http://thetransactiontax.org/
29 posted on 04/19/2014 12:05:17 PM PDT by voveo
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To: SeekAndFind
Any form of income tax will eventually transmogrify into the same kind of labyrinthine monstrosity we have today, riddled with special treatment and exemptions for the oligarchy/plutocracy.

A consumption tax, on the other hand, could be much simpler.

30 posted on 04/19/2014 12:06:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: voveo
Excepting cash transactions, of course.

;>]

31 posted on 04/19/2014 12:07:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: SeekAndFind

No damn way, if you don’t like paying taxes read the tax code and use it to NOT PAY TAXES!

I get screwed royally under a flat tax!!!

We were raped enough by the 1986 “Tax Simplifacation Tax”, which was the biggest tax increase in history!


32 posted on 04/19/2014 12:14:01 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: USNBandit

“We need a simplified code to make it easier to comply.

Yes. The fact that many of us need to hire an accountant to make sense of this mess is another substantial expense.


33 posted on 04/19/2014 12:14:54 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: USNBandit
we need a law where everybody pays something so they stop thinking government services are free

At 15% flat tax, $20,000 income would mean a $3000 flat tax. That's $250 a month. It's enough to have everyone have everyone invested in keeping government spending in check, and a flat tax would create a sense of "we're in this together".

And a lot of people would not have the headache of having to pay someone to do their taxes. There is no downside to a flat tax.

34 posted on 04/19/2014 12:21:11 PM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind
RE: How about NO tax.
How do you run the government with that?
Tax corporations/businesses. Everyone (except corporations and business) say they don't pay taxes.
35 posted on 04/19/2014 12:27:58 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: SeekAndFind

Agree that the flat tax is the best answer.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 12:31:47 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: SeekAndFind

people answer that way because they think they are paying more taxes than they currently are.

The average person thinks the amounts taken out for social security and medicare are part of their income taxes. When the fact is most neither are and most people currently pay no income tax.

Once they realized that a flat tax would mean THEY would actually pay A LOT more than they currently are, they would turn against it faster than you could say jack robertson.


37 posted on 04/19/2014 12:34:09 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: dragnet2

You’re right about that. I know it certainly won’t end in my lifetime except that I do think the percentage floor on deductions will continue to go up and the number of deductions will continue to decline.

The 25-something generation is not going to be buying any houses soon so that will do away with real estate taxes and interest payment. I also doubt if they make any significant donations to either charities or their church so there goes that. Slowly but surely the government is whittling everything down so we will all be filing on a short form.

Talking about changes to taxes IRS is on a par with discussing who will be the presidential candidates in 2016.


38 posted on 04/19/2014 12:39:40 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I support a reasonable flat tax. Everyone should have skin in the game. I don’t care how much or how little you make, whether it’s wages, salary, unemployment, welfare, or something else, no one should be exempt from paying some tax. And no “earned income credit” That amounts to nothing but unearned income credit, courtesy of the rest of us. I support myself and my family. The rest of you do the same. Your kids are not my kids; don’t expect me to feed them.


39 posted on 04/19/2014 12:41:18 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Unless the idea that Lindner and Neal Boortz kept pitching with the Fair Tax, the government pays a portion back for food and medicine to everyone, the Fair Tax is DEAD IN THE WATER as far as I’m concerned.


40 posted on 04/19/2014 12:51:44 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: SeekAndFind

The fair tax is the only income tax I’d support. We should go back to the only tax that works,tarrifs on imports.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 12:53:40 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Bryan24
"the Fair Tax is DEAD IN THE WATER as far as I’m concerned".

Q. Why is is called Fair Tax?

A. Because they want to con people to think it is fair.

42 posted on 04/19/2014 1:01:49 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about this. The states handle all tax collection, and what might be left over goes to DC.


43 posted on 04/19/2014 1:23:34 PM PDT by SgtHooper (I lost my tag!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh hell, why we’re talkin pie-in-the-sky thoughts, every vote of a voter is tracked with their voter ID card. If you vote for a line item, you pay for it through some mechanism to deduct it from any funds/assets you have. Period. If you vote for amnesty, your assests/monies are subject to a regular deduction/withdrawal to pay your share of enabling these parasites to stay in this country.


44 posted on 04/19/2014 1:28:53 PM PDT by SgtHooper (I lost my tag!)
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To: USNBandit

I too am for a flat tax although I prefer the Fair Tax twist that refunds a fixed amount per person to reflect the cost of basic sustenance. Rich or poor, the same return to them. The welfare industry instantly eliminated. Reduce the IRS to collecting post cards. Nothing. Else. Everyone has pretty much the same stake in assuring effective usage of our pooled funding of federal (and state, local) resources.

I am damn cranky this year since my unique situation involving foreign plus USA income resulted in 60% of my income going to one country or another for one category or another. No one deserves this BS from our (USA) or any government. No one.


45 posted on 04/19/2014 3:44:31 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Chode

The Russian federal tax is about the same as California’s top STATE bracket (12.3%) ....


46 posted on 04/19/2014 3:50:46 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation
that's 1% for you 12.3% for me, cause i'm the taxman, yeahyeah i'm the taxman...
47 posted on 04/19/2014 4:11:19 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SeekAndFind

Flat taxes are great, until people realize that their employer healthcare ‘benefit’ counts as taxable income, along with their mortgage debt interest.

...then not so much support.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 8:59:51 PM PDT by BobL
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To: joethedrummer

I was gonna say......it wouldn’t matter if 100% prefer a flat tax, the politicians don’t. A flat tax would take away their Power and control of us.


49 posted on 04/19/2014 9:27:15 PM PDT by sheana
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