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FEDS SEIZE FAMILY’S RANCH-Property owners fight government ‘land grab’!!!
Tea Party Tribune ^ | April 17, 2014 | TPT Admin

Posted on 04/19/2014 11:28:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

When Kit Laney answered a knock on his door Saturday, law enforcement officers from the U.S. Forest Service handed him a piece of paper announcing his Diamond Bar Ranch in southwest New Mexico would be shut down Wednesday and his 300 head of cattle grazing there would be removed – one way or the other.

Other Forest Service officials were busy nailing similar notices on fence posts along the highway and informing neighbors that after Feb. 11, they should not attempt to enter the Diamond Bar property.

Laney was not surprised. He knew someday there would be an on-the-ground confrontation to enforce a 1997 court ruling which says his cattle are trespassing on federal land. That day has arrived.

(Excerpt) Read more at teapartytribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: agenda21; blm; bundy; bundyranch; federalland; federallandgrab; feds; grazingrights; kitlaney; land; laneyranch; newmexico; nfs; nm; seize; trespasscattle; usforestservice
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This time it is the Forest Service but this mirrors the dispute by the Bundy's in NV.

This is a very detailed explanation of the history of this dispute in NM.

These are not isolated events and there is a pattern of the Fed Gov pushing all Western Ranchers Possible off their land.

Our elected officials must be involved to resolve this ComDem Grab. This is part of the plan for Agenda 21.

It is TIME to DownSize DC! Close entire Fed. Gov. Departments including their SWAT Teams.

1 posted on 04/19/2014 11:28:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

This is NOT new.

Oversight Hearing on “Threats, Intimidation and Bullying by Federal Land Managing Agencies”

http://naturalresources.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx?EventID=355977


2 posted on 04/19/2014 11:35:13 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Theft by the Fedgov which has no right to hold property anyway, only enumerated powers


3 posted on 04/19/2014 11:35:53 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Texas Fossil
It is TIME to DownSize DC! Close entire Fed. Gov. Departments including their SWAT Teams.

Afraid that the time has passed. The Federal Government is out of control and beginning to see the pattern of as brown shirt types with military armament. What is this power going to be directed on. Machine guns, tanks, bullet proof vest against who?

AMERICANS

4 posted on 04/19/2014 11:37:00 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Texas Fossil

The only reason Bundy won was the BLM can do simple math.
200 Armed BLM vs 1000 Armed patriots defending Bundy.

The math was not in BLM’s favor.

The BLM are real tough guys...until they get heavily out numbered.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 11:37:28 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Texas Fossil

including their SWAT Teams

Especially their SWAT teams.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 11:40:09 AM PDT by wita
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Never surrender!! Never retreat!! Never give up your guns!!

The Marxists/fascists jackbooted goons will not be allowed to stamp out freedom!!

NOT ON MY WATCH!!

7 posted on 04/19/2014 11:41:32 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Texas Fossil

I no longer think the Civil War will be postponed past 2014. It’s happening this damned year.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 11:41:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

CWII has already started. Don’t let the fact that no shots have yet been fired fool you.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 11:43:07 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Texas Fossil

When do the,”He is not paying his fees “ Governmental agents, plants, and moles show up on this thread?


10 posted on 04/19/2014 11:43:59 AM PDT by sport
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Agreed.


11 posted on 04/19/2014 11:44:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; Lazmataz

It won’t be CW2, it will be RW2.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 11:45:26 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Logical me
What is this power going to be directed on. Machine guns, tanks, bullet proof vest against who?

Against patriotic Americans, of course. Didn't one of those slime bags say they need to kill off 25 million of us?

13 posted on 04/19/2014 11:46:51 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Lazamataz

It has already begun, My FRiend. Texas and OK. can expects visits also.


14 posted on 04/19/2014 11:46:51 AM PDT by sport
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To: yldstrk
Theft by the Fedgov which has no right to hold property anyway....

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
Article IV, Section 3.

Not trying to cause a fight, just for your information.
16 posted on 04/19/2014 11:47:07 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

This means against foreign powers.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 11:48:54 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Your source is, what, the Federalist Papers? Honest question.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 11:51:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Texas Fossil

Government is simply using any Gov. Agency Groups to be it’s strong arm of force within the courts and outside them. Not to mention the Judges they can likely “move” to do their bidding.

We have an Oligarchy Government using all means to sustain their access to corporate and land grabs for their own personal investments. No wonder politicians want to run...it’s a fast track to wealth! You get all the inside scoops on where and with whom to invest.


19 posted on 04/19/2014 11:51:52 AM PDT by caww
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To: Mark17
Or more now. You can die one of two ways: 1. on your knees groveling before them. or
2. On your feet fighting as a man/woman.

But rest assured, they fully intend to kill us.

One thing Nevada proved: That when it was applied to them personally, they had no stomach for it. It is one thing to shoot unarmed men, women, and children down like dogs. It is another to realize that some of the dogs shoot back.

20 posted on 04/19/2014 11:53:12 AM PDT by sport
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To: 1rudeboy

“Not trying to cause a fight, just for your information.”

Just because it’s in writing doesn’t make it right or honest.


21 posted on 04/19/2014 11:57:10 AM PDT by moovova
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To: tennmountainman

“The only reason Bundy won was the BLM can do simple math.
200 Armed BLM vs 1000 Armed patriots defending Bundy.
The math was not in BLM’s favor.
The BLM are real tough guys...until they get heavily out numbered.”

Yep and that goes for DHS and SWAT also.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 11:57:14 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 1rudeboy

However....read further in the article....

” On Jan. 29, 2002, Judge Loren Smith ruled in a similar case that Wayne Hage “submitted an exhaustive “CHAIN OF TITLE” which showed that the plaintiffs and their predecessors-in-interest had title to the fee lands”.... which the federal government had claimed to be federal land.

Wayne Hage lost his cattle, but now the court has ruled that a “takings” has occurred, for which the government must pay “just compensation.”

The Hage decision has sent ranchers across the West rushing to courthouses, searching for and documenting the “chain of title,” to the land, grazing and water rights.

Kit Laney has completed his search, and recorded the “exhaustive chain of title” in each of the county courthouses where his land lies. He may not be able to stop the removal of his cattle, even with the help of the local sheriff. But Laney has served notice that he does not intend to roll over and let the government simply take what his family has worked for generations to build.

He says he will fight as long as he has breath. The Forest Service, and the other federal agencies now know they can no longer pick off a single rancher, and move on to the next. The Hage decision, and the determination of Kit Laney has inspired thousands of ranchers to resist the government’s squeezing and to push back.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 11:58:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: Texas Fossil
These ranchers are from the same stock of ranchers who pushed the United States all the way to the Pacific ocean; once riled, they may push the Forest Service all the way back to Washington.

I love it when a plan starts to come together!

Dear Lord, watch over these ranchers and their just cause.

24 posted on 04/19/2014 11:58:43 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: 1rudeboy

Lsnd inside state boundaries which can be owned by DC is spelled out in the enclave clause of the Constitution.

Huge swaths of land cannot be held indefinitely by the Feds for non enumerated purposes. That issue is addressed clearly and concisely and is integral to the entire constitutional scheme of state sovereignty. The Feds are constutionally hamstrung in this regard if the states want to take control back of their lands.


25 posted on 04/19/2014 11:59:00 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: moovova

I’ll grant you, for the purpose of your argument, that portions of the U.S. Constitution may not be “right,” but not “honest?”


26 posted on 04/19/2014 12:01:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Congress has that right...but do executive branch dept’s have the right to make regs that go way beyond their mandated missions without backing votes of Congress on such bills signed by the President?

Congress needs to do their jobs!


27 posted on 04/19/2014 12:05:03 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: bereanway
Precisely why certain arguments on FR become frustrating (maybe I'm just cranky): a declarative statement was made that the Federal government "has no right to hold property." I demonstrated it to be incorrect by citing the U.S. Constitution.

If you wish to change the argument to the feds holding too much land, or for too long, then you will have to find someone who believes the opposite.

28 posted on 04/19/2014 12:06:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Texas Fossil

I have a problem in general with the Federal Government ‘owning’ land.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 12:07:20 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; OneWingedShark; ...

New Mexico PING!!!


30 posted on 04/19/2014 12:08:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Texas Fossil

This is the Obama Administratin’s final solution for the complete obliteration of the American Middle Class.

The will now make food and gasoline unaffordable.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the recent diseases which killed many pigs and chickens along with the orange blight wasn’t a government action.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 12:09:36 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Mark17

“Didn’t one of those slime bags say they need to kill off 25 million of us? “

Actually, William Ayers, the POTUS friend and terrorist leader said that upwards of 35 million Americans would need to be eliminated in order to install a communist government in America, of course that number is larger now.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 12:10:56 PM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: moovova
"Just because it’s in writing doesn't make it right or honest."

You would be surprised how many FReepers would disagree with you.
33 posted on 04/19/2014 12:11:40 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Texas Fossil

Charley Waite: "Well you may not know this, but there's things that gnaw at a man worse than dying." Open Range (2003)
34 posted on 04/19/2014 12:13:29 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Lazamataz

You may be right Laz.....hopefully the shooting doesn’t start before the pendulum starts to swing back towards sanity.

City folk don’t care about the country folk because they are removed from everything that it takes to put food on their table or a product in their hands.

Detroit is the pendulum swinging back....urban people reclaiming the land that is cheap and turning it into urban farming etc....


35 posted on 04/19/2014 12:14:16 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I am the Tea Party bully who took Mitch McConnell's milk money.)
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To: sport
You can die one of two ways:
1. on your knees groveling before them. or...
2. On your feet fighting as a man/woman.
But rest assured, they fully intend to kill us.

A good death is its own reward.
And today IS a good day to die.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 12:14:54 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: sport
Or more now. You can die one of two ways:

1. on your knees groveling before them. or

2. On your feet fighting as a man/woman.

But rest assured, they fully intend to kill us.

Yes they do, and I think it will come down to exactly that, but they might have to do a major gun grab first, and that, by itself, will get a lot of people killed, patriots and tyrants.

37 posted on 04/19/2014 12:16:11 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Texas Fossil; hoosiermama; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Myrddin; Oorang; null and void; MamaDearest; ..
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Ping.

.

38 posted on 04/19/2014 12:25:08 PM PDT by LucyT (If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: wita

The best body armor out there doesn’t hold up very well against rifle ammo like .30-06 or 7.62 mm, and none of it covers one’s face. If a shooting war ever starts, there will be many casualties on both sides. That’s why both sides better think twice (thrice!) before giving up on the ballot box. People in government who push for violence and rebels who are eager to go to blows with the government need to be aware that the violence and destruction goes both ways and the end results are unpredictable. A rebellion that loses would guarantee far more tyranny than we currently have for example.

The ballot box and peaceful, nonviolent protest/civil disobedience like we saw at the Bundy ranch are still the best means to resolve our differences peacefully.


39 posted on 04/19/2014 12:25:10 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: Texas Fossil
It is TIME to DownSize DC! Close entire Fed. Gov. Departments including their SWAT Teams.

Are they just testing the waters or has DC lost patience with the insolent citizenry?

40 posted on 04/19/2014 12:25:23 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Does the federal government qualify as a terrorist organization?)
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To: 1rudeboy

Study the context of that clause - it doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 12:26:58 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: GilesB

Enlighten me.


42 posted on 04/19/2014 12:27:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Read it a little closer. It refers to Territories and other land that the Fed can Constitutionally own. States are not Territories anymore and what the Feds can Constitutionally own within a State is spelled out in Art. 1 Section 8, Paragraph 17.

“To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;”

So, the one you cited is limited to covering territories, “ten miles square” for DC and land “for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings.”

Not trying to cause a fight, just for your information.


43 posted on 04/19/2014 12:28:35 PM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Nachum

Ping


44 posted on 04/19/2014 12:33:36 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: tennmountainman

I haven’t read or seen anything suggesting that “BLM are real tough guys”. In fact, their unnecessary cruelty and slobism suggests they are but libs with guns. They should be downright embarrassed and that “just taking orders” doesn’t work in this Country


45 posted on 04/19/2014 12:33:51 PM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall end.")
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To: bereanway
"land cannot be held indefinitely by the Feds"

The feds have been holding these lands in New Mexico and Nevada since they were ceded by Mexico in 1848.

Some date back to the Louisiana Purchase in 1803

46 posted on 04/19/2014 12:34:16 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: oldbrowser



47 posted on 04/19/2014 12:35:29 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: oldbrowser

Insolence? You haven’t seen anything yet.

The insolence comes from the ComDem POLs. They need a bit of an education.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 12:35:47 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: CitizenUSA

Two points:
The other side has already given up on the ballo box, in that they routinely practice voter fraud as standard procedure; and they rule by beaureaucratic edict (regulation) regardless of the will of the people.

The folks on Bundy’s ranch were armed and willing to do violence if necessary.


49 posted on 04/19/2014 12:35:59 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Lazamataz

We shall see.


50 posted on 04/19/2014 12:36:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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