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Costa Rican a celebrity after certified miracle
Associated Press ^ | April 19, 2014 | JAVIER CORDOBA

Posted on 04/19/2014 3:27:33 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister

TRES RIOS, Costa Rica (AP) — On a warm spring day, Floribeth Mora was in her bed waiting to die from a seemingly inoperable brain aneurysm when her gaze fell upon a photograph of Pope John Paul II in a newspaper.

"Stand up," Mora recalls the image of the pope saying to her. "Don't be afraid."

Mora, her doctors and the Catholic Church say her aneurysm disappeared that day in a miracle that cleared the way for the late pope to be declared a saint on April 27 in a ceremony at the Vatican where Mora will be a guest of honor.

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He'll be declared a saint on the 27th this month!
1 posted on 04/19/2014 3:27:33 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister
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To: CorporateStepsister

According to scripture, all believers are saints. So if he confessed Jesus Christ as the son of God and his savior he already is - and you are, or can be, as well!


2 posted on 04/19/2014 3:41:51 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists
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To: CorporateStepsister
Did this guy do this in the name of Jesus Christ?

Mark 16:17, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues."
3 posted on 04/19/2014 3:44:50 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: CorporateStepsister

There are no “certified” miracles.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 3:55:22 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Sure there are.

Here’s another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp9TgyjlnS0


5 posted on 04/19/2014 4:00:07 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Dallas59

Christ acted through Him.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 4:01:00 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

God doesn’t certify them.
No where in Scripture is there a certifying body.

Peter walked down the street and as his shadow fell on people they were healed.

Today, we have “miracles lite” - someone prays to someone who is departed, doesn’t know if they are heard, assumes they were the cause, a committee stamps a big yes on it, and then the number is tallied to proclaim someone a saint.

It is all bogus.


7 posted on 04/19/2014 4:02:23 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Why don’t you go find something useful to do instead of harassing Catholics?


8 posted on 04/19/2014 4:10:38 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“God doesn’t certify them.”

He does - through the Church to which He gave authority.

“No where in Scripture is there a certifying body.”

False. The Apostles served as the certify body in the early Church. Peter, for instance, explains the gift of tongues (a miracle). That would show a recognition of the miracle as a miracle.

“Peter walked down the street and as his shadow fell on people they were healed.”

Yes.

“Today, we have “miracles lite” - someone prays to someone who is departed, doesn’t know if they are heard, assumes they were the cause, a committee stamps a big yes on it, and then the number is tallied to proclaim someone a saint.”

Miracle lite? If someone is healed, it isn’t “lite”. It is “kabod” (”heavy”, “glory”: Strong’s #3519b).

“It is all bogus.”

Nope. Christ - working through Padre Pio - healed Gemma who was born blind because she was born without pupils. Afterward she could see. She STILL has no pupils. That’s impossible. It’s also true. A birth defect cannot defeat God.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 4:13:31 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
But the man is dead. He knows nothing. He's awaiting resurrection like everyone else.

Death Comes to Good and Bad

Ecclesiastes:

…4 For whoever is joined with all the living, there is hope; surely a live dog is better than a dead lion. 5 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
10 posted on 04/19/2014 4:16:24 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be," -Epitap)
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To: Deathtomarxists

It says believers are called to become saints. Not that believers are saints.


11 posted on 04/19/2014 4:20:11 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Deathtomarxists

Think of it as making it into the Hall of Fame, to be an example to the other mere mortal saints. ;^)


12 posted on 04/19/2014 4:25:22 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Dallas59

“But the man is dead.”

No, he is alive in Christ in Heaven. His body is dead - for now. He, however, is very much alive.

“He knows nothing.”

He is part of the cloud of witnesses (12:1-2). He knows everything that God wants him to know.

“He’s awaiting resurrection like everyone else.”

Yes, but he is already in Heaven and very much alive with Christ.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 4:26:45 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: CorporateStepsister

“All you holy men and women, pray for us!”


14 posted on 04/19/2014 4:34:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat! And carry an umbrella.)
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To: Deathtomarxists
I don't believe you understand how sainthood is different in the Catholic Church.

First, a person is pronounced "Venerable." Second, a person is pronounced "Blessed", and Third, a person is pronounced a "Saint."

Additional details are in these links -- please educate yourself.

How Many Miracles are Required to Canonize a Saint?
Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization

15 posted on 04/19/2014 4:35:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dallas59

John Paul II’s body may be dead, but his soul is alive. Remember when Christ opened up the graves and the people from previous eras walked about Jerusalem, visible only to the believers?

It seems odd that a non-Catholic is trying to tell Catholics what to believe....don’t you think?


16 posted on 04/19/2014 4:38:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CorporateStepsister; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; ...

Ping!


17 posted on 04/19/2014 4:41:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

If you are not a Catholic and wish to educate yourself regarding our beliefs, please see Salvation’s excellent reference in post #15.

If you are not a Catholic and simply wish to tell us how wrong our beliefs are, please move along to another thread.

And, if you presume to know it all...then you must think you’re God. Word up: God doesn’t use the internet!


18 posted on 04/19/2014 4:54:50 PM PDT by blu
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To: CorporateStepsister
She has no doubt that she owes her life to John Paul.

Well shoot, maybe God doesn't even exist...Even if he does, we sure don't need him...

I'll have to keep my eyes and ears open...Ghosts of Mary talking to me...Pictures of popes talking to me...Saints keeping my tires from going flat...Others to keep the sewer unplugged...

19 posted on 04/19/2014 5:03:04 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: vladimir998

“He does - through the Church to which He gave authority.”

No where in Scripture is there a command, example or instructions for this function. It is made up out of whole cloth.

“The Apostles served as the certify body in the early Church.”

Great! List some miracles they certified as miracles.

“Peter, for instance, explains the gift of tongues (a miracle). That would show a recognition of the miracle as a miracle.”

Tongues are a spiritual gift and not a miracle. The instructions in scripture concern proper use of spiritual gifts.

“Peter walked down the street and as his shadow fell on people they were healed.”

“Miracle lite?”

The unverifiable part is that there is no way to prove or disprove this person had any connection. It is an opinion.

“Nope. Christ - working through Padre Pio - healed Gemma who was born blind because she was born without pupils.”

Still an opinion of how it happened.

Nor, of course is a miracle required for anyone to become a saint - other than the amazing miracle of exchanging His righteousness for our sinfulness.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 5:23:25 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998
Christ acted through Him.

You want to show us in scripture where God used a dead apostle to perform miracles???

21 posted on 04/19/2014 5:24:09 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: blu

“If you are not a Catholic and simply wish to tell us how wrong our beliefs are, please move along to another thread.”

This needs some help...

If you are not a Catholic and wish to participate in this open thread, of course you are welcome here! Please post your views and we’ll discuss them.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 5:24:51 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998

“He is part of the cloud of witnesses (12:1-2).”

The “cloud of witnesses” is listed in Hebrews 11.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 5:25:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Salvation

“Additional details are in these links — please educate yourself.”

An unBiblical process.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 5:26:37 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998
No, he is alive in Christ in Heaven. His body is dead - for now. He, however, is very much alive.

You don't know that...

25 posted on 04/19/2014 5:27:56 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Wonderful. Glory to God.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 6:05:05 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“No where in Scripture is there a command, example or instructions for this function. It is made up out of whole cloth.”

No. Jesus gave authority to the Church.

“Great! List some miracles they certified as miracles.”

All those you read of in the NT - or else they wouldn’t be listed there since it was the Apostles and their disciples who wrote the human authors of scripture.

“Tongues are a spiritual gift and not a miracle.”

They are miracles as well as spiritual gifts, and the spiritual gifts - as supernatural gifts - have a miraculous quality to them anyway.

“The instructions in scripture concern proper use of spiritual gifts.”

That doesn’t stop them from being miraculous in nature.

“The unverifiable part is that there is no way to prove or disprove this person had any connection. It is an opinion.”

Padre Pio? No. It is CERTAIN as to what happened. Gemma is still alive and has no pupils. Thus, she must - by all the laws of nature - be blind. After Pio prayed for her she was able to see, however. Hence, a miracle. There is no other possible explanation.

“Still an opinion of how it happened.”

Nope. We know exactly what happened because there were witnesses. We know Gemma had no pupils. We know Gemma still has no pupils. We know no one can see - at all - without pupils. We know she was brought to Pio. We know he prayed for her and told her she would be better. She began to see - which is impossible. Yet it happened exactly that way as all those involved agree.

“Nor, of course is a miracle required for anyone to become a saint - other than the amazing miracle of exchanging His righteousness for our sinfulness.”

Anyone can get to heaven without performing a miracle on this earth because Christ works the miracles in any sense anyway. A saint in Heaven, however, can be known to be there through their intercession in a miraculous event on this earth.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 6:30:58 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“The “cloud of witnesses” is listed in Hebrews 11.”

Only those from the Old Testament. The cloud of witnesses did not end with the end of the Old Testament age.

As the CCC notes:

A cloud of witnesses

2683 The witnesses who have preceded us into the kingdom,41 especially those whom the Church recognizes as saints, share in the living tradition of prayer by the example of their lives, the transmission of their writings, and their prayer today. They contemplate God, praise him and constantly care for those whom they have left on earth. When they entered into the joy of their Master, they were “put in charge of many things.”42 Their intercession is their most exalted service to God’s plan. We can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world.

2684 In the communion of saints, many and varied spiritualities have been developed throughout the history of the churches. The personal charism of some witnesses to God’s love for men has been handed on, like “the spirit” of Elijah to Elisha and John the Baptist, so that their followers may have a share in this spirit.43 A distinct spirituality can also arise at the point of convergence of liturgical and theological currents, bearing witness to the integration of the faith into a particular human environment and its history. The different schools of Christian spirituality share in the living tradition of prayer and are essential guides for the faithful. In their rich diversity they are refractions of the one pure light of the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit is truly the dwelling of the saints and the saints are for the Spirit a place where he dwells as in his own home since they offer themselves as a dwelling place for God and are called his temple.44

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/12-1.htm

Hebrews 12:1

New International Version
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,


28 posted on 04/19/2014 6:34:45 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Iscool

“You want to show us in scripture where God used a dead apostle to perform miracles???”

They’re all alive in Christ.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 6:40:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Iscool

“You don’t know that...”

Yes, actually I do. Are you claiming Peter is in Hell?


30 posted on 04/19/2014 6:41:04 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“A saint in Heaven, however, can be known to be there through their intercession in a miraculous event on this earth.”

This is the rub, vlad. There is no way to *know* they heard, interceded or even know what happened. A human committee attributes the miracle without *knowing*.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 6:48:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998

The writer of Hebrews listed many witnesses to God’s faithfulness in chapter 11. In chapter 12, he describes the readers as “being surrounded” in order to spur them on to faith. They are not actively witnessing to us. Their lives and trust in God, despite not seeing the fulfillment of His promise, is a witness to all believers.

Any more than that is made up.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 6:51:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998
Yes, actually I do. Are you claiming Peter is in Hell?

HaHa...Your pope ain't Peter...And no, you have no knowledge of whether that pope or any one of your Saints is in heaven...

33 posted on 04/19/2014 6:52:41 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: vladimir998
“You want to show us in scripture where God used a dead apostle to perform miracles???”

They’re all alive in Christ.

And of course you can't show that a dead apostle or even one 'alive in Christ' in heaven ever performed a miracle, because it never happened and never will...

34 posted on 04/19/2014 6:56:26 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: vladimir998

There’s no more authority in that commentary than there is in the WatchTower magazine...


35 posted on 04/19/2014 6:58:59 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“This is the rub, vlad. There is no way to *know* they heard, interceded or even know what happened. A human committee attributes the miracle without *knowing*.”

False. The miracle is only attributed to the intercession of the saint called upon to intercede. That’s all based on what is known.


36 posted on 04/19/2014 7:03:10 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Padre Pio? No. It is CERTAIN as to what happened. Gemma is still alive and has no pupils.

So then where is she??? Why is she not on EWTN??? Can you imagine the number of people she could draw to the Catholic religion if there was any truth to the story??? I'd say if it was true, this woman would have her face plastered all over the tv and internet...

37 posted on 04/19/2014 7:05:34 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“They are not actively witnessing to us.”

Being surrounded by witnesses means the witnesses are by necessity active.

“Their lives and trust in God, despite not seeing the fulfillment of His promise, is a witness to all believers.”

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/what-is-the-biblical-reason-catholics-pray-to-saints-for-intercession

“Any more than that is made up.”

No.


38 posted on 04/19/2014 7:07:41 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Iscool

Are you claiming Peter is in Hell?


39 posted on 04/19/2014 7:08:11 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Iscool

Are you claiming Peter is in Hell?


40 posted on 04/19/2014 7:08:36 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Iscool

“So then where is she??? Why is she not on EWTN???”

See the youtube link I posted above. Pay attention.

“Can you imagine the number of people she could draw to the Catholic religion if there was any truth to the story???”

Again, see above. Her story is well documented. I’ve seen her on television - NBC - back in the early 1980s.

“I’d say if it was true, this woman would have her face plastered all over the tv and internet...”

Again, see the above link.

Or you could have simply paid attention here at FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2698893/posts


41 posted on 04/19/2014 7:13:15 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Tax-chick

Every time I hear the litany of the saints it give me chills. One of our church’s most beautiful prayers.


42 posted on 04/19/2014 7:16:57 PM PDT by Guardian Sebastian (Mother of God, pray for us and our country.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Supposedly the Vatican does a careful study and an irrefutable miracle is what it takes to end up being declared a saint.

Peter was Peter, but in this age of modernity, much is required to provide proof.

I wonder if there should be a study if whether or not the miracle is from a diabolical source.


43 posted on 04/19/2014 7:26:07 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Dallas59

To be there should be a study over whether or not the ‘miracle’ was of diabolical origin.

Second, there should be a ‘devil’s advocate’ who will point out the reasons that he (JPII) should not be declared a saint.


44 posted on 04/19/2014 7:27:10 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: vladimir998

“False. The miracle is only attributed to the intercession of the saint called upon to intercede. That’s all based on what is known.”

We agree it is attributed, but there is no proof the saint heard them or interceded. It is a vote. An opinion.

Ping me when the pope’s shadow starts healing everyone it falls on, or when he multiplies loaves and fishes, or parts the sea, or turns water into (good!) wine, or stops the sun...


45 posted on 04/19/2014 7:36:11 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: CorporateStepsister

“Peter was Peter, but in this age of modernity, much is required to provide proof.”

In the NT, everyone saw what happened. These attributed miracles are an opinion.


46 posted on 04/19/2014 7:37:41 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“We agree it is attributed, but there is no proof the saint heard them or interceded. It is a vote. An opinion.”

No. God used the saint. There is no mere opinion. The negative protection of the Holy Spirit is involved.

“Ping me when the pope’s shadow starts healing everyone it falls on, or when he multiplies loaves and fishes, or parts the sea, or turns water into (good!) wine, or stops the sun...”

That’s already happened. Peter (the first pope) healed with his shadow. No loves were multiplied even by Christ. Read the text closely and you’ll see that everyone was fed from the same loaves and fishes. They were not multiplied. They simply were not used up. Maybe you should read about the miracle of the sun at Fatima while you’re at it.

I also suggest this amazing little book:

http://www.amazon.com/St-Francis-Paola-Miracle-Supreme/dp/0895550652/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397962013&sr=8-1&keywords=francis+of+paola


47 posted on 04/19/2014 7:48:14 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“No. God used the saint. There is no mere opinion. The negative protection of the Holy Spirit is involved.”

It is an opinion that the saint was used. No one knows if the saint heard, did anything, or if God chose a different path. All is assumed by a voting committee.

Peter was used to perform miracles. Obviously we disagree that he was the first pope. Today? None of what I listed.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 7:54:54 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: vladimir998
Are you claiming Peter is in Hell?

If I claimed that, you wouldn't have to ask a question...Pay attention...

49 posted on 04/19/2014 9:30:38 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Guardian Sebastian
One of our church’s most beautiful prayers.

I agree. The communion of saints is very important to me.

50 posted on 04/20/2014 2:38:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat! And carry an umbrella.)
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