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Josh Marshall Brags: The Right Wing Thinks Obamacare's in Trouble,
Newsbusters.org ^ | April 19, 2014 | Tom Johnson

Posted on 04/19/2014 5:34:32 PM PDT by Kaslin

Movement conservatives are on an anti-Obamacare bender and feeling pretty good, but eventually they may pay for it with a painful political hangover.
 
That, essentially, is what Talking Points Memo editor and publisher Josh Marshall wrote on Friday in an article titled "How the GOP Bet on Failure And Lost." Marshall acknowledged that the Affordable Care Act probably will help Republicans in this year's midterms, but that in the long run, they'll suffer at the polls unless they face the supposed fact that the law is a success.

From Marshall's post [emphasis ours]:

On Obamacare, the Republican party has bet big on failure for four years. Now the results are in. And they lost. Big time.

....I would say it is likely that the GOP will still derive benefits this November from the core of voters who are extremely upset about Obamacare...But on the core of the policy, which I think there is good reason to believe will align with political outcomes in the future, the results are in..



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aca
the rest of the title is: But the 'Reality-Based' Know Better
1 posted on 04/19/2014 5:34:32 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The author pushes Romney and RomneyCARE.

The G.O.P. has already made RomneyCARE/ObamaCARE
the disaster of the century.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 5:39:25 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Kaslin

Josh Marshall The black knight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4


3 posted on 04/19/2014 5:39:59 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: Kaslin
HAHAHAHA!

What a clown! The REAL deal hasn't hit his base yet.

The tsunami is coming, though.

4 posted on 04/19/2014 5:40:36 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Diogenesis

Zzzzzzzzzzz


5 posted on 04/19/2014 5:42:04 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

No thinking about it. I know it’s in trouble.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 5:44:43 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Kaslin
Hey, Josh - let's do a riff on the old chestnut What If They Gave A Party, and Nobody Came?:

What If 8 Million "Signed Up", And Nobody Paid??

And this buffoon has a PhD? **snerk**

7 posted on 04/19/2014 5:46:54 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Kaslin

How are they defining success? Names on a website?


8 posted on 04/19/2014 5:47:06 PM PDT by LMAO (Insurgent conservative)
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To: Kaslin
Josh Marshall don't let reality hit you in the butt on your way to the Looney bin. Your ideas are hurting good people and now it is personal.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 5:47:07 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: kiryandil

We can only hope that the Dems cannot cheat enough in 2014 to entrench Obamacare.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 5:47:12 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Kaslin

What causes you to brag about the success of something that leaves zip but destruction in its wake?


11 posted on 04/19/2014 5:48:34 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Diogenesis


12 posted on 04/19/2014 5:50:05 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

That is particularly good!


13 posted on 04/19/2014 5:51:18 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Kaslin
The Grandfather and Imposer of ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE:


14 posted on 04/19/2014 5:52:03 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis


15 posted on 04/19/2014 6:01:15 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The fact is Clinton did not impose socialized medicine,
Mr. Willard-the-backstabbing Rat Romney did.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 6:02:29 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: stevem

Huh?


17 posted on 04/19/2014 6:02:33 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
On Obamacare, the Republican party has bet big on failure for four years. Now the results are in. And they lost. Big time.

These delusional morons actually think that their opinion is fact, thence news.

It's not.
Reality is what it is.
The Obamacare web site is simply a poor symptom of the monumental failure.

Just make a list of the five most important "goals" of Obamacare.
Then convince me that they've been achieved as promised.

Total failure doesn't begin to describe it.

The next wave of "covered, but not able to find health service" has not yet begun; millions already find themselves without a doctor; without access to a hospital, and unable to afford either the premiums or the deductible.

When it becomes tens of millions, these idiots will have a lot of explaining to do. Besides the tired whine that the GOP "caused" the failure.

18 posted on 04/19/2014 6:05:44 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Kaslin
Marshall acknowledged that the Affordable Care Act probably will help Republicans in this year's midterms, but that in the long run, they'll suffer at the polls unless they face the supposed fact that the law is a success.

When one talks about success one has to have a measurable goal at the outset with which to compare the outcome. To me this can only be the forecasted results of the ACA which Obama and the Democrats argued for the bill before its passage. Namely more Americans covered by high quality health insurance at a lower cost to the individual and the government.

For the last six months or so the administration and the Democrats in general have been attempting to lower the public’s expectations of ObamaCare I think with little results. Their efforts to promote the bill perhaps were too successful and the reality of the bills results to unsuccessful and to wide spread.

But as a measure of how scared the Democrats are we can see them pull out their usual tools of deception; move the goal post and change the definitions. They have changed the definition of who has signed up for ObamaCare and delayed again and again who must comply with the ACA and when.

And to make sure that ObamaCare meets the measure of success Obama is having the Census Bureau message the census questions to make the results incomparable to past census data. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/politics/census-survey-revisions-mask-health-law-effects.html

For Democrats success looks like whatever they want success to look like because they can change the measuring stick anytime they want to.

19 posted on 04/19/2014 6:05:45 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: kiryandil
Excellent point


20 posted on 04/19/2014 6:05:51 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The results are in? Obama delayed the biggest part of the bill, the employer mandate, for two years to avoid having it happen during this election year. When it does up to 100 million Americans will lose their current employer healthcare plans. And things will only go downhill from there.


21 posted on 04/19/2014 6:08:25 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Kaslin

If ObamaCare isn’t in trouble, why do they keep moving deadlines until after the election? Hmmmmm? Just because Barry and his little toads in his state controlled “media” are claiming the ObamaCare is on a roll, it doesn’t make it so. The only people buying the crap he and his “media” are spewing are his low information voters who believe everything they see on TV or on the internet. It’s on TV, it has to be the truth. LOL! We’ll know the real truth when insurance companies start going under or they start screaming for a “bailout.” It’s coming. Look for it.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 6:19:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Kaslin

“unless they face the supposed fact that the law is a success”

`Begging the question,’ conditioned by “supposed,” but still a favorite lefty trick and as important to recognize as a faulty premise.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 6:22:47 PM PDT by tumblindice (to hell with the US Chamber of Commerce)
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To: Kaslin

It’s amazing to see all the suckers who believe these numbers coming out of the Obama regime.

Why aren’t they smart enough to remember the phony, double- and triple-counted “jobs created or saved” numbers that the Obamunists touted for the failed stimulus program?

These signup numbers are just as shovel-ready as those were.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 6:23:37 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Kaslin

Can you post that picture again?


25 posted on 04/19/2014 6:27:01 PM PDT by MNDude
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26 posted on 04/19/2014 6:36:36 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Kaslin

Josh Marshall must be one of them liberal “optimists” who can’t seem to sense the real world around him. I don’t know why but I can’t get this song by Johnny Cash out of my mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqOOuEImTQY

Come the November elections, I wonder if the waters going to be high enough to sweep the supporters of Obamacare away.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 6:37:01 PM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Texicanus
I don’t know why but I can’t get this song by Johnny Cash out of my mind:

I never heard that one before, but it's begging to be modified to an Ode to Pelosi, "How High Is the Bull____, Nancy?"

28 posted on 04/19/2014 8:01:42 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: publius911

“I never heard that one before, but it’s begging to be modified to an Ode to Pelosi, “How High Is the Bull____, Nancy?”

Yes, that thought crossed my mind too.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 8:22:12 PM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Kaslin

even if you believe their numbers... 7m out of 330m is 2%

for a mandatory law, 98% rejection is a mandate.

the people have spoken... and they’ve told 0bammy and crew to shove it back up their ass


30 posted on 04/19/2014 8:23:19 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: kiryandil

Already happening to those misfits in calfornia.they can’t see a doctor.I hope its very painful for them all


31 posted on 04/19/2014 10:13:39 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: sten

“even if you believe their numbers... 7m out of 330m is 2%”

I’m pretty sure we’ve that many in population increase since this law was enacted.


32 posted on 04/19/2014 10:31:36 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Kaslin
The law is a success? Sorry when only 7.1 million signed up and most lost their doctor of choice, it isn't a success.

Free market access to healthcare is the only solution.

33 posted on 04/20/2014 4:55:18 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Pontiac
For Democrats success looks like whatever they want success to look like because they can change the measuring stick anytime they want to.
Enter the Census Bureau to uncook the books to no longer exaggerate the number of uninsured - viola, instant reduction in the uninsured!!
The Republicans need to start right now, declaring that the new estimate of the number of uninsured will be lower - and emphasizing that it will not be because the true number of uninsured will be lower than before - only that all prior estimates on the number of uninsured were systematic exaggerations which never bore any relation to reality.
Actually, the pitch should be made in the opposite order:
  1. the past statistics were a fraudulent sales pitch for ACA, and

  2. the new statistics will be lower, not because of any real reduction in uninsured, but only because previously the number of uninsured was systematically exaggerated.

34 posted on 04/20/2014 1:01:40 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

- Mark Twain's Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review

35 posted on 04/20/2014 3:17:33 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Kaslin

Kas.....Don’t make me come over there.


36 posted on 04/20/2014 3:23:08 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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