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US Communists Shill for Russia Over Ukraine
Trevour Loudon ^ | 04/18/14 | Trevor Loudon

Posted on 04/19/2014 7:19:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans

US Communists Shill for Russia Over Ukraine Submitted by Trevor on April 18, 2014 – 3:08 am EST

Brian Becker

Two groups have been most actively supporting “there is no such thing as an ex-Chekist,” Vladimir Putin’s naked aggression in the Ukraine.

They are Western communists, who hate the West and still see Russia as a force for socialism and anti-Americanism, and some naive Western “conservatives” like commentator Pat Buchanan and actor Steven Segal, who seem to believe that Comrade Putin is a closet Christian bent on defending Western values and saving Europe from the Islamic hordes. These naifs seem to have no idea that Mr. Putin’s KGB/FSB comrades have long manipulated those Islamic hordes against the West and have attacked our values at every opportunity for more than 90 years.

The communists must be laughing up their sleeves as they dupe self deluding “conservatives” like Buchanan and Segal into cheerleading their own destruction.

Here’s one such Western communist — Brian Becker of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Interviewed on Kremlin propaganda channel RT (formerly Russia Today), Comrade Becker does a splendid job of obscuring the truth and spreading lies and disinformation on Moscow’s behalf.

Link to youtube vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2yUn30Xm8


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; communistpartyusa; communists; kremlin; putin; russia; sovietunion; trevorloudon; trevourloudon; ukrainecrisis; uscommunists
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It's worth noting that the Communist Party in the USA, and, indeed, all of them across the world, were known to be under the control of the Kremlin, specifically the KGB. It be foolish to think that just because we allegedly won the cold war that Russia would let go its control over its groups, especially when they are still aiding and supporting communist countries and groups across the world.

1 posted on 04/19/2014 7:19:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Even more disturbing is that our susceptibility to fall for it all has increased because we don’t like our President.


2 posted on 04/19/2014 7:22:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; All


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3 posted on 04/19/2014 7:28:40 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Thank you. A good read and solid post.

Too many forget that Putin is first,last, and always a KGB member of the communist party. He has dreams and visions and for some unknown reason there are those who just fall all over themselves to tout him as something different


4 posted on 04/19/2014 7:29:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: 1rudeboy

well said.

I dislike the effort by some to say that you have to like Putin if you don’t like Obama. They are BOTH communists. I see no reason to like either one


5 posted on 04/19/2014 7:31:28 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Isn’t about liking either one of them. The neocons and the leftists want war with Russia, because they don’t treat their gays right.


6 posted on 04/19/2014 7:33:44 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Nifster

Odd isn’t it? If the U.S. communists are shilling for Putin, doesn’t that mean that the Democrat party supports Putin?


7 posted on 04/19/2014 7:34:30 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Nifster

Just don’t point it out to any one else. The whining becomes fierce.


8 posted on 04/19/2014 7:36:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Enterprise

Odd, indeed. Witness our own FReepers shilling for Putin.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 7:38:12 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I’ve been visiting some of the socialist/communist sites today, they sound like our libertarians here, luckily for them, Obama is largely libertarian on national defense issues and NATO.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 7:40:58 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Luke21

All I know is that we’re broke and have our own problems to deal with.


11 posted on 04/19/2014 7:45:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Why is it that liberal outfits like the New York Times, the London Financial Times, the Economist, etc. are strongly urging the US to provide military and financial support to the current government in Kiev? (And are very critical of Obama for not doing enough?)

Would be very interested in opinions on this.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 7:45:30 PM PDT by BusterBear
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I would not be so sure that Putin wants to rebuild the old USSR, and certainly not regain control of central Europe.
I would not be surprised, however, if he wants to rebuild the old SSR nations as wards of Russia, similar to the territories of the US.
One can not blame Putin for gaining what he can while the USA drifts as a rudderless ship.


13 posted on 04/19/2014 7:45:56 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Obama sucks.

Dare I say it, Putin also sucks.

And Russia has no business annexing any part of Ukraine.

That's right, I said it.

14 posted on 04/19/2014 7:48:41 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: 1rudeboy

15 posted on 04/19/2014 7:48:42 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: 1rudeboy

Yep. Peeps are fooled by his stance on social issues. If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t homosexuality banned by the Soviets....but used as a tool in the West?


16 posted on 04/19/2014 7:51:17 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We support China. They’re still communist, aren’t they?


17 posted on 04/19/2014 7:54:49 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Communism is no longer ideologically socialist. The Communist Party Of Russia now accepts religion, nationalism and bourgeois democracy.

No - they ain’t Lenin’s Communist heirs.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 7:55:49 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BusterBear
Russia has been using United States opposition to them as proof that America is the great evil in the world. Putin and his people are actively promoting conspiracy theories wherein the United States is propping up fascist movements, and that we are equivalent to the Illuminati. Aleksandr Dugin, an occultist and "intellectual" with links to the Kremlin and who frequently appears on Russian state run TV, believes, or, at least, publicly claims, that the United States is a tool for the NWO to dominate the world. (He thinks Russia should dominate the world instead, and this based on a racial-tsarist ideology.)

All of this is setting us up for a nuclear strike at some point in the future. That is my honest opinion.

19 posted on 04/19/2014 7:56:11 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
We support China. They’re still communist, aren’t they?

China is also a close ally to Russia, despite apparent splits in the past. Golitsyn, a KGB defector to the U.S., described it as theater for the West, inviting us to become closer to China even while we drifted from Russia. A sissors strategy, in other words, to exploit our gullibility.

We should fear the Chicoms as much as we should be wary of the Russians. They both will be participating in the nuclear bombardment, when and if it comes, and we'll be the target.

20 posted on 04/19/2014 7:59:10 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: FreeReign
its strange to read the posters cheering on the KGB murderous thug's takeover of a free neighboring country and using Putin talking points
to justify it.
21 posted on 04/19/2014 8:01:07 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

China is nominally Communist but in practice operates like a capitalist country.

The Communist Party now happily accepts the accession of the growing rich in its ranks.


22 posted on 04/19/2014 8:02:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear; All
Yes, I highly recommend Herbert Philbrick's book "I lived 3 Lives: Citizen, Communist, Counterspy," detailing his experience within the communist party USA. He names the ACLU and other groups as targets for KGB take over, though the book was likely written before their obvious success.

The sexual revolution, liberation theology, and many other heinous things, were born in some office in Moscow and exported through their leftist front groups.

23 posted on 04/19/2014 8:02:20 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

It is truly odd, to me, that people want to get Americans killed when neither putin or obama can be trusted. Reminds me of kgb agents wanting to make certain Americans die and turn something which is not our problem into our problem to make certain Americans die. Prayers we sit this one out but if you would like to go fight please do. It seems to be what many of here want to do is fight for Ukraine or fight against Russia. I wonder if many of these folks are agitators looking to see first how much information they may gleam and second agitators to see how many people they can cause to die. If one wants to fight ... Go to Ukraine and leave America alone. Call us as soon as you folks wanting to fight arrive in Ukraine, please. We like to gleam information too.


24 posted on 04/19/2014 8:02:36 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Support China in what, their aggression against Japan and the Philippines?


25 posted on 04/19/2014 8:03:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: goldstategop

China’s strategy is no different than Lenin’s strategy when he launched the NEP. He aimed to buy the rope from the west which he would “hang” us with. With Western support, believing that Russia was liberalizing, Russia was industrialized. This is China’s purpose as well, but not just to modernize, but to wage economic war on us as well when the time comes.


26 posted on 04/19/2014 8:04:21 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Marxism Leninism always saw the New Left as a bourgeois fad. Its causes never quite caught fire with the Old Left.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 8:04:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: no-to-illegals; Greetings_Puny_Humans

That reminds me, in the next couple of years, if the West stands up to Russia, then we can count on the American left creating another pacifist/anti-war movement.


28 posted on 04/19/2014 8:05:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: no-to-illegals

This is like saying during the cold war, to a patriotic American, “You want us to go to war with Russia and die.” What I want is a cold war with Russia, which they are already fighting with us, and we ought to be preparing militarily in the same way they are. Muscovites have nuclear bomb shelters and civil defense training. We have pot smoking degenerates in colleges who will die of starvation if someone stops paying their rent.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 8:06:40 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

30 posted on 04/19/2014 8:07:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Witness our own FReepers who pretend they're too stupid to tell the difference between, "let them deal with their own problems" and "shilling for Putin".

The exact same sort of game the democrat fascists play when they say wanting to repeal Obamacare is the same thing as declaring war on women.

You want "odd"? Odd is how people who use the identical vocabulary and tactics of the democrat crowd pretend they're doing something other than spreading the democrat party line.

Also odd is how whenever the democrat crowd is all in favor of going to war somewhere, without fail there are people on FR calling anyone who doesn't agree with the democrat war effort "shills" for whoever it is the democrats want to attack that week.

31 posted on 04/19/2014 8:07:37 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
highly recommend Herbert Philbrick's book "I lived 3 Lives: Citizen, Communist, Counterspy

Are you admitting you are connected to this book in wanting to live this type of life?

32 posted on 04/19/2014 8:07:39 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

China wants to be a rich, prosperous and powerful country. This contradicts the Maoist tents of an equal, poor and blank country.

But Maoism is nonsense and his heirs understand that China could not be all things to all people. As an emerging middle class country, its still governed by authoritarian politics.

But the improvement in the every day lives of the people has been tremendous. They call the new system, “socialism with Chinese characteristics.”


33 posted on 04/19/2014 8:09:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Putin and his people are actively promoting conspiracy theories wherein the United States is propping up fascist movements

That's wrong, everyone knows the United States is propping up Islamic extremists.

34 posted on 04/19/2014 8:11:08 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: no-to-illegals
Are you admitting you are connected to this book in wanting to live this type of life?

Huh? How does mentioning Philbrick make you think I want to become a counterspy? That said, the FBI would probably shoot me in the back of the head. Back in those days, the federal government was more trustworthy. He got involved when his student group was slyly taken over by strangers and re-utilized to oppose American involvement in WW2 (though they switched to being pro-war when the Nazis turned on Russia). He became involved as a counterspy when he went to the FBI to report that his organization had been coopted by possible communists. They encouraged him to stick it out and bring them information, which he did, for many years, going quite high into the communist party. His testimony was later used to convict 11 or so high ranking members of the communist party who served the Kremlin.

35 posted on 04/19/2014 8:12:11 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Yep, which Jim Jones touted. And the media constantly called it a ‘cult’. Jim Jones was a sraight-up Communist. Period!


36 posted on 04/19/2014 8:12:22 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

~China is also a close ally to Russia, despite apparent splits in the past~

Bullcrap. An average chinaman views a Russian as a gun-toting land-grabbing racist brute. They are dreaming to grow powerful enough and go teach Russia a lesson. And Russians are fully aware of Chinese perception.


37 posted on 04/19/2014 8:12:52 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: goldstategop

Communism is always communism, and so one must be aware of communist disinformation as practiced by Lenin and the KGB, and later in China, to understand their motivations. They are committed to the destruction of “liberal democracy,” and, because we are weak, they may just succeed, leaving lots of dead American patriots.


38 posted on 04/19/2014 8:14:05 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Rashputin
Don't start with me. I had a go-around with another retard last night. I have no issue with FReepers who wish to play the isolationist card. I have one with the ones who claim, "Putin stands for Christianity, mom, and apple pie."
39 posted on 04/19/2014 8:14:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We won’t. We are decadent, degenerate, soft and effete. America is not a role model. It leads as President Obama famously opined, “from behind.”

If I was a Russian, I would say, do I want to emulate you? Of course not! The two countries are admittedly on opposite sides again but this time it is America that is in decline.


40 posted on 04/19/2014 8:14:58 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
the FBI would probably shoot me in the back of the head

Probably not would the FBI shoot you in the back of the head ... but the kgb would. You remind me of past kgb.

41 posted on 04/19/2014 8:15:12 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Lacking in a coherent argument they’ve gone with the “call everyone a commie” tact...


42 posted on 04/19/2014 8:15:25 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wetphoenix
Bullcrap. An average chinaman

The average chinaman isn't in control of China's foreign policy. The Chinese communist party, which has long had links with the Kremlin, is what calls the shots. That's the difference between a totalitarian regime and a Republican or Democratic one. The will of the people matters not, and can easily be changed through supression and propaganda.

43 posted on 04/19/2014 8:15:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: wonkowasright

If you read anti-communist books from defectors, counterspies, intelligence analysis, you too will see a commie beneath every bush. And when someone calls your bluff, you will have them look beneath the bush, and a commie will be there.


44 posted on 04/19/2014 8:16:45 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: no-to-illegals
You remind me of past kgb.

You remind me of the homeless person who shouted stuff about the voices in his head at passing cars.

45 posted on 04/19/2014 8:17:57 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You still haven’t answered my question of why you threatened me.


46 posted on 04/19/2014 8:18:41 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Vladimir Putin's comments on American exceptionalism, Syria cause a fuss
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3065888/posts

Pat Buchanan: People worldwide ‘are sick of hearing’ talk of American exceptionalism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067234/posts

Pat Buchanan Defends Hitler's Invasion of Poland
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2019486/posts

Putin: 'Israel's nuclear weapons just make it a target'
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3068835/posts


47 posted on 04/19/2014 8:18:50 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: goldstategop
If I was a Russian, I would say, do I want to emulate you? Of course not!

A Nazi German might feel the same way, but, we should not encourage them to emulate Nazism.

48 posted on 04/19/2014 8:19:05 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The archilles heel of both regimes is corruption. But its easier to describe than to cure the disease. This is the number one restraint on the continued growth of the Russian and Chinese economies. Kleptocracies sooner or later collapse of their own inherent rottenness. Both Putin and Xiping will be unable to completely extirpate it.


49 posted on 04/19/2014 8:20:36 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: no-to-illegals; administrator
You still haven’t answered my question of why you threatened me.

You are referring to a post of mine in another thread, wherein I said that you (and everybody else) are under threat from Russia, and then you went whacky, and said I was threatening you, and I started to ignore you from then on. (I should have ignored you in this thread too.) Can you please not bring your craziness from one thread to another and falsely accuse me of such things? If my post "threatened" you, report it.

50 posted on 04/19/2014 8:21:49 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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