Skip to comments.US Communists Shill for Russia Over Ukraine
Posted on 04/19/2014 7:19:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
US Communists Shill for Russia Over Ukraine Submitted by Trevor on April 18, 2014 3:08 am EST
Two groups have been most actively supporting there is no such thing as an ex-Chekist, Vladimir Putins naked aggression in the Ukraine.
They are Western communists, who hate the West and still see Russia as a force for socialism and anti-Americanism, and some naive Western conservatives like commentator Pat Buchanan and actor Steven Segal, who seem to believe that Comrade Putin is a closet Christian bent on defending Western values and saving Europe from the Islamic hordes. These naifs seem to have no idea that Mr. Putins KGB/FSB comrades have long manipulated those Islamic hordes against the West and have attacked our values at every opportunity for more than 90 years.
The communists must be laughing up their sleeves as they dupe self deluding conservatives like Buchanan and Segal into cheerleading their own destruction.
Heres one such Western communist Brian Becker of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.
Interviewed on Kremlin propaganda channel RT (formerly Russia Today), Comrade Becker does a splendid job of obscuring the truth and spreading lies and disinformation on Moscows behalf.
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It's worth noting that the Communist Party in the USA, and, indeed, all of them across the world, were known to be under the control of the Kremlin, specifically the KGB. It be foolish to think that just because we allegedly won the cold war that Russia would let go its control over its groups, especially when they are still aiding and supporting communist countries and groups across the world.
Even more disturbing is that our susceptibility to fall for it all has increased because we don’t like our President.
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Thank you. A good read and solid post.
Too many forget that Putin is first,last, and always a KGB member of the communist party. He has dreams and visions and for some unknown reason there are those who just fall all over themselves to tout him as something different
I dislike the effort by some to say that you have to like Putin if you don’t like Obama. They are BOTH communists. I see no reason to like either one
Isn’t about liking either one of them. The neocons and the leftists want war with Russia, because they don’t treat their gays right.
Odd isn’t it? If the U.S. communists are shilling for Putin, doesn’t that mean that the Democrat party supports Putin?
Just don’t point it out to any one else. The whining becomes fierce.
Odd, indeed. Witness our own FReepers shilling for Putin.
I’ve been visiting some of the socialist/communist sites today, they sound like our libertarians here, luckily for them, Obama is largely libertarian on national defense issues and NATO.
All I know is that we’re broke and have our own problems to deal with.
Why is it that liberal outfits like the New York Times, the London Financial Times, the Economist, etc. are strongly urging the US to provide military and financial support to the current government in Kiev? (And are very critical of Obama for not doing enough?)
Would be very interested in opinions on this.
I would not be so sure that Putin wants to rebuild the old USSR, and certainly not regain control of central Europe.
I would not be surprised, however, if he wants to rebuild the old SSR nations as wards of Russia, similar to the territories of the US.
One can not blame Putin for gaining what he can while the USA drifts as a rudderless ship.
Dare I say it, Putin also sucks.
And Russia has no business annexing any part of Ukraine.
That's right, I said it.
Yep. Peeps are fooled by his stance on social issues. If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t homosexuality banned by the Soviets....but used as a tool in the West?
We support China. They’re still communist, aren’t they?
Communism is no longer ideologically socialist. The Communist Party Of Russia now accepts religion, nationalism and bourgeois democracy.
No - they ain’t Lenin’s Communist heirs.
All of this is setting us up for a nuclear strike at some point in the future. That is my honest opinion.
China is also a close ally to Russia, despite apparent splits in the past. Golitsyn, a KGB defector to the U.S., described it as theater for the West, inviting us to become closer to China even while we drifted from Russia. A sissors strategy, in other words, to exploit our gullibility.
We should fear the Chicoms as much as we should be wary of the Russians. They both will be participating in the nuclear bombardment, when and if it comes, and we'll be the target.
China is nominally Communist but in practice operates like a capitalist country.
The Communist Party now happily accepts the accession of the growing rich in its ranks.
The sexual revolution, liberation theology, and many other heinous things, were born in some office in Moscow and exported through their leftist front groups.
It is truly odd, to me, that people want to get Americans killed when neither putin or obama can be trusted. Reminds me of kgb agents wanting to make certain Americans die and turn something which is not our problem into our problem to make certain Americans die. Prayers we sit this one out but if you would like to go fight please do. It seems to be what many of here want to do is fight for Ukraine or fight against Russia. I wonder if many of these folks are agitators looking to see first how much information they may gleam and second agitators to see how many people they can cause to die. If one wants to fight ... Go to Ukraine and leave America alone. Call us as soon as you folks wanting to fight arrive in Ukraine, please. We like to gleam information too.
Support China in what, their aggression against Japan and the Philippines?
China’s strategy is no different than Lenin’s strategy when he launched the NEP. He aimed to buy the rope from the west which he would “hang” us with. With Western support, believing that Russia was liberalizing, Russia was industrialized. This is China’s purpose as well, but not just to modernize, but to wage economic war on us as well when the time comes.
Marxism Leninism always saw the New Left as a bourgeois fad. Its causes never quite caught fire with the Old Left.
That reminds me, in the next couple of years, if the West stands up to Russia, then we can count on the American left creating another pacifist/anti-war movement.
This is like saying during the cold war, to a patriotic American, “You want us to go to war with Russia and die.” What I want is a cold war with Russia, which they are already fighting with us, and we ought to be preparing militarily in the same way they are. Muscovites have nuclear bomb shelters and civil defense training. We have pot smoking degenerates in colleges who will die of starvation if someone stops paying their rent.
The exact same sort of game the democrat fascists play when they say wanting to repeal Obamacare is the same thing as declaring war on women.
You want "odd"? Odd is how people who use the identical vocabulary and tactics of the democrat crowd pretend they're doing something other than spreading the democrat party line.
Also odd is how whenever the democrat crowd is all in favor of going to war somewhere, without fail there are people on FR calling anyone who doesn't agree with the democrat war effort "shills" for whoever it is the democrats want to attack that week.
Are you admitting you are connected to this book in wanting to live this type of life?
China wants to be a rich, prosperous and powerful country. This contradicts the Maoist tents of an equal, poor and blank country.
But Maoism is nonsense and his heirs understand that China could not be all things to all people. As an emerging middle class country, its still governed by authoritarian politics.
But the improvement in the every day lives of the people has been tremendous. They call the new system, “socialism with Chinese characteristics.”
That's wrong, everyone knows the United States is propping up Islamic extremists.
Huh? How does mentioning Philbrick make you think I want to become a counterspy? That said, the FBI would probably shoot me in the back of the head. Back in those days, the federal government was more trustworthy. He got involved when his student group was slyly taken over by strangers and re-utilized to oppose American involvement in WW2 (though they switched to being pro-war when the Nazis turned on Russia). He became involved as a counterspy when he went to the FBI to report that his organization had been coopted by possible communists. They encouraged him to stick it out and bring them information, which he did, for many years, going quite high into the communist party. His testimony was later used to convict 11 or so high ranking members of the communist party who served the Kremlin.
Yep, which Jim Jones touted. And the media constantly called it a ‘cult’. Jim Jones was a sraight-up Communist. Period!
~China is also a close ally to Russia, despite apparent splits in the past~
Bullcrap. An average chinaman views a Russian as a gun-toting land-grabbing racist brute. They are dreaming to grow powerful enough and go teach Russia a lesson. And Russians are fully aware of Chinese perception.
Communism is always communism, and so one must be aware of communist disinformation as practiced by Lenin and the KGB, and later in China, to understand their motivations. They are committed to the destruction of “liberal democracy,” and, because we are weak, they may just succeed, leaving lots of dead American patriots.
We won’t. We are decadent, degenerate, soft and effete. America is not a role model. It leads as President Obama famously opined, “from behind.”
If I was a Russian, I would say, do I want to emulate you? Of course not! The two countries are admittedly on opposite sides again but this time it is America that is in decline.
Probably not would the FBI shoot you in the back of the head ... but the kgb would. You remind me of past kgb.
Lacking in a coherent argument they’ve gone with the “call everyone a commie” tact...
The average chinaman isn't in control of China's foreign policy. The Chinese communist party, which has long had links with the Kremlin, is what calls the shots. That's the difference between a totalitarian regime and a Republican or Democratic one. The will of the people matters not, and can easily be changed through supression and propaganda.
If you read anti-communist books from defectors, counterspies, intelligence analysis, you too will see a commie beneath every bush. And when someone calls your bluff, you will have them look beneath the bush, and a commie will be there.
You remind me of the homeless person who shouted stuff about the voices in his head at passing cars.
You still haven’t answered my question of why you threatened me.
A Nazi German might feel the same way, but, we should not encourage them to emulate Nazism.
The archilles heel of both regimes is corruption. But its easier to describe than to cure the disease. This is the number one restraint on the continued growth of the Russian and Chinese economies. Kleptocracies sooner or later collapse of their own inherent rottenness. Both Putin and Xiping will be unable to completely extirpate it.
You are referring to a post of mine in another thread, wherein I said that you (and everybody else) are under threat from Russia, and then you went whacky, and said I was threatening you, and I started to ignore you from then on. (I should have ignored you in this thread too.) Can you please not bring your craziness from one thread to another and falsely accuse me of such things? If my post "threatened" you, report it.