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Lingering Effect of 2007-09 Recession Clobbers U.S. Birth Rate
Valley News ^ | Friday, March 28, 2014 | John McCormick

Posted on 04/19/2014 7:42:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The U.S. recorded the most deaths in its history and the fewest births since 1998, resulting in the lowest population gain from natural causes in 35 years, an analysis of 2013 Census Bureau estimates released Thursday shows.

Americans remain cautious about having babies following the worst recession since the Great Depression, although they are increasingly changing residences again, suggesting growing confidence in the economic recovery.

Those are among the findings from county-level data that also show the largest metropolitan areas are getting bigger as much of the rest of the nation sees slower population growth or declines. Rural areas where oil and natural gas production is booming and Gulf Coast retirement conclaves are notable exceptions to that trend.

“The recession’s influence on migration may be waning, but it continues to have a negative impact on births,” said Ken Johnson, a senior demographer with the University of New Hampshire’s Carsey Institute who analyzed the data.

Johnson’s analysis is based on newly released data for the year ending July 1, 2013. It shows there were 3.95 million births during those 12 months, compared with 4.31 million in the pre-recession 2006-07 period, a drop of 8.4 percent amid an overall U.S. population that continued to grow because of immigration.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortions; gmoinferility; obama

1 posted on 04/19/2014 7:42:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
2007-09 Recession, yeah, right...

2 posted on 04/19/2014 7:48:34 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No No No. What deteriorates birth rates is the relentless slaughter of babies by mommy and baby killing accomplices. 55 Million!! This puts the jewish slaughter of 6 million and the Ukrainian slaughter of farmer of 11 milli8on in the shade— just in our country.


3 posted on 04/19/2014 7:49:31 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: MinorityRepublican

How about the Great Recession of 2009 to a date to be determined?


4 posted on 04/19/2014 7:50:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: SADMILLIE

abortion kills


5 posted on 04/19/2014 7:55:54 PM PDT by shineon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Calling Dr. Putin to raise the birth rate!

6 posted on 04/19/2014 7:58:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Calling Dr. Putin to raise the birth rate!

7 posted on 04/19/2014 7:59:01 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
The recession makes it worse, but we will continue having very low birth rates for at least ten years, if not a generation. Those graduating high school and college and going to the work force are finding it very tough to get jobs. Those out of college have enourmous debts. Both of these factors cut down on home buying and family formation. Then there is just the fact that the overall trend in developed nations and high population density areas is to have less children.

The ruling class will push immigration to fix this, but that isn't the answer. Immigration will slow down, and immigrants will have the same birth rates as natives do.

8 posted on 04/19/2014 8:07:22 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Chode

It’s not the effect of the 2007-09 recession.

America has exported millions of jobs.

JOBS.

We need to stop sending American jobs to every other country on the entire planet.

We need to bring jobs back to America.

America needs to grow.

That is how America becomes better. By growing.

Here.

With America growing, American families will grow.


9 posted on 04/19/2014 8:12:38 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Immigration has slowed down the past give years or so. Birth rates in Latin America are lowering.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 8:13:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
so you think the recession ended in 2009???
11 posted on 04/19/2014 8:18:19 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

I think actually, America has been suffering through a recession of many many years.

We are not a growing country.

Not at all. America needs to somehow get back to becoming a country which grows and gets better.

Neither party is currently doing that. Nobody is doing that.

I really, really, really wish the GOP would get it together and take the lead on this.

Don’t leave this problem open, waiting.

If the Dems finally get to the point of fixing it, they will really mess things up.

But the GOP is not fixing anything.

Nobody seems to care.

That is the problem right now. Nobody is fixing anything.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 8:24:49 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Immigration has slowed down the past give years or so. Birth rates in Latin America are lowering.

Birth rates are slowing down almost everywhere. There are countries that know this, and want to address it. Russia, the first country that legalized abortion, is now looking at criminalizing it. Iran is considering a ban on vasectomies. Uganda just passed anti-gay laws, and China relaxed its one child policies. I doubt though, that these policy changes will be successful. China has already noticed that the birth rate is not going up, even after relaxing the one child policy.

We, on the other hand, are dominated by a political party that owes its existence to promoting anti child policies, from gay rights, to abortion, to promoting STDs which cause infertility. In order for us to change, we have to change the democrat party, and they won't. So I expect us to go over the demographic cliff.

13 posted on 04/19/2014 8:35:40 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
my one and only point was that the author is shilling for the mutt in the white by saying the recession ended in 2009... your reply was non-sequitur
14 posted on 04/19/2014 8:36:42 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

OK I see, but I don’t necessarily agree with your conclusion that my statement did not follow.

If that was your meaning.

America has been offshoring everything. For over an entire generation.

That process has made some people very, very wealthy, which is probably why it happened. But our country has been torn way way down.

I am simply saying both parties have torn America apart.

It is time for someone to start putting America back together.

We cannot simply continue to build up the world.

America needs to build up America.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 8:43:43 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Only one major developed country made it past the demographic cliff and that’s Israel.


16 posted on 04/19/2014 9:00:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Most don't get it about younger people not having kids.

People who sell things like homes, new furniture, loans, new cars, boats and home additions are going to be in for a big shock as they see less and less buyers.

What's a baby cost to deliver? What about all the other followup heath issues? Anyone seen the price of food and gas?

Like in old America, it took good secure long term jobs, and good health benefits to raise families, have babies, buy homes, cars, etc.

Babies turn into immediate consumers and have lots of needs.. On top of a mortgage, car payments, insurance, food, clothing, huge insurance cost, repairs, utility costs....People have been squeezed for years now.

Most younger people in their 20s through 30s simply don't have that kind of money....Most never will.

17 posted on 04/19/2014 9:12:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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The Left, which includes the Democrats, denigrates men and the family giving women the false impression of fulfillment absent both. This is the cause of the decline.

Those of the Left are Family Deniers.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 9:33:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A lot of people are having children now because they know that their biological clock is running out fast.


19 posted on 04/19/2014 9:42:30 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Have you ever read of John B. Calhoun? He was a very famous biologist in the 1940s-1970s. He dropped from the public imagination since then, but his work has relevance today.

His famous experiments were to set up rodent pens where a population of rodents could live with all of their needs being met, except space. They had an infinite amount of food, water, protection from predators, etc. But the pens were a finite space as the only limitation.

What Calhoun was expecting was that the population would explode, reach a peak, then level off to be sustainable within the finite space, but that was not what happened. Every time he ran this experiment, there were catastrophic changes in behavior in the rodents and a near complete collapse in the population.

Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly. The last surviving birth was on day 600. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior.

Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against. After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed “the beautiful ones”.

The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.

From: John B. Calhoun

Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption. [...]

In the experiments in which the behavioral sink developed, infant mortality ran as high as 96 percent among the most disoriented groups in the population.[4]

From Behavioral sink

The Left is enamored with Malthus, who predicted that the population will always expand to fill up the available resources, and will create misery if the population is not controlled. This has been falsified, especially by Calhoun. People can have all they want, and still not want to reproduce. In fact, by having all they want, they view children and the inconvenience of raising them as burdens. The left will continue to try and control us to prevent "overpopulation" well into our Calhoun colony collapse.

Calhoun's critics have claimed that his work has no relevance to humans, but I think it does. For instance it completely explains the left/right political divide in this country. Democrats are the party of high density populations, and they have the behaviors of a Calhoun "behavioral sink," the anti-child policies. Republicans are the party of low population density, and hold to traditional pro-human policies.

Every developed country, and every developing country, is urbanizing into high density cities. It is this, simply the stress of high density life, which can cause our population to collapse. The economy will just add a new layer onto it, and will be self reinforcing. As the population declines, the economy will shrink, and people will continue to choose not to have children.

These Mayan ruins were not built in a forest, this used to be a city more densely populated than Los Angeles is today. It functioned for hundreds of years, then the Mayan city states started collapsing. The greatest collapse happened over only two hundred years, when the population dropped 90%. The populations and culture never recovered. There were no catastrophes, no all out wars that really explain this. The current fad is to blame climate change, but I suspect there have been civilizational collapses where the population just stopped having enough children, for economic and other reasons. Scientists don't see it, because they are still under the spell of Malthus, who claimed it can't happen.

20 posted on 04/19/2014 10:13:23 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
Bureau of the Census: The nation’s total population would cross the 400 million mark in 2051, reaching 420.3 million in 2060.
21 posted on 04/19/2014 10:29:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: MinorityRepublican
The US fertility rate is at 2.01, just at replacement level. France is at 2.08. Israel 2.62.
22 posted on 04/19/2014 10:39:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I doubt very much that will happen. But the question is, if that did happened, would the United States still exist? That population increase can only come from immigration. While some immigration can help a country, massive immigration while there is a demographic collapse is not going to help. It just means the new owners of the land are moving in. Like Rome, like the Mayans. The Toltecs moved into the Mayan cities as they were collapsing. The Germans moved into Rome.

Immigrants Will Form Half of Russian Federation’s Population in 2050, Experts Say

I guess that's one reason to go looking for extra Russians in Ukraine.

23 posted on 04/19/2014 11:01:59 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: MinorityRepublican

Truly amazing that when the left MSM mentions the recession beginning in 2007, they never provide the information that the Democrats took control of both the House and Senate in the November 2006 elections. ...It’s always blamed on Bush.


24 posted on 04/20/2014 2:16:28 AM PDT by octex
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To: MinorityRepublican

Anyone tell the muzzies, the low information voters and the mexifornians?


25 posted on 04/20/2014 4:24:58 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: MinorityRepublican

One would never know this living in LA’s Los Feliz area. There are so many babies about here that it sometimes prompts me to the “Ratings Game” line of a black performer: “I ain’t never seen so many white people in one place.”


26 posted on 04/20/2014 4:40:53 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Subsidy versus penalty at work.


27 posted on 04/20/2014 4:52:25 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

In his new book The Death of Money James Rickards argues that we are in a depression and have been since 2007.


28 posted on 04/20/2014 4:59:18 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: MinorityRepublican

“...although they are increasingly changing residences again, suggesting growing confidence in the economic recovery.”

Or moving to cheaper digs.Or bailing on one place and going to another...


29 posted on 04/20/2014 6:05:51 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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I doubt very much that will happen.

Hello. It is happening now and has been happening since 1970. Immigrants and their US born children account for 80% of our population growth. We add one net migrant every 38 seconds. In 1970 one in 21 was foreign born in this country; today it is one in 8 the highest it has been in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history. Today, there are 45 million foreign born. We have just had the two highest decades of immigration in history--over 25 million people.

But the question is, if that did happened, would the United States still exist? That population increase can only come from immigration.

First, the population of the US is increasing every year. The current growth rate is .77% a year. Since 1970, our population by decade is as follows:

1970--203 million

1980--227 million

1990--249 million

2000--281 million

2010--308 million

Today--318 million

The Gang of 8 bill that passed in the Senate with 14 Rep votes will increase permanent legal immigration to 33 million over the next decade or almost 2 1/2 times the previous decade.

The size of foreign-born population doubled from 1990 to 2010, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970. If S.744 becomes law it would quintuple by 2020, compared to 1970.

The size of the foreign-born population will have increased from 9.6 million in 1970 to 31.1 million in 2000, to 65.2 million by 2033.

The record high of 15 percent projected for 2020 if the bill passes means that over just a 50-year period the foreign-born share of the population would have more than tripled, from 4.7 percent in 1970. There has never been a period in American history when the foreign-born share grew this fast.

People need to wake up. We don't need to bring in 1.1 million permanent legal immigrants a year, 87% of whom are minorities as classified by the USG. It has demographic and electoral impacts. The U.S. is projected to become a majority-minority nation for the first time in 2043. While the non-Hispanic white population will remain the largest single group, no group will make up a majority.


30 posted on 04/20/2014 7:43:50 AM PDT by kabar
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