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More Christians in China than the USA?
The Telegraph ^ | 4/19/2014 | Tom Phillips, Liushi, Zhejiang province

Posted on 04/19/2014 8:27:20 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety

"Officially, the People's Republic of China is an atheist country but that is changing fast as many of its 1.3 billion citizens seek meaning and spiritual comfort that neither communism nor capitalism seem to have supplied.

"Christian congregations in particular have skyrocketed since churches began reopening when Chairman Mao's death in 1976 signalled the end of the Cultural Revolution.

"Less than four decades later, some believe China is now poised to become not just the world's number one economy but also its most numerous Christian nation."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: china; christian; communist; usa
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To: FreedomNotSafety

In China, you’re only a Christian if you truly want to be a Christian. In the modern West it seems many Christians are only nominal Christians because it is expected.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 10:50:55 PM PDT by RPTMS (I know you're a nincompoop, and I strongly suspect you of being a scalawag!)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I know a Chinese woman whose father was a general with Mao on the Long March. She fled communist China with her husband to live in the US, and she has become a Christian.

There are many more like her in China, who long for the Holy Spirit to enter their lives, and who seek something more than simply surrendering to the brutal corruption of the Communist Party and the crassest kind of nihilistic materialism.


42 posted on 04/19/2014 11:17:42 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: BeadCounter

People in China and Africa continue to accept Christianity in large numbers.


43 posted on 04/19/2014 11:46:01 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
As much as I believe in and support Christianity, I do not want the government telling people to go to church or to decorate their businesses with religious themes, as you describe in Putin's Russia. Plus I see Putin's embrace of Christianity as insincere. I believe it's done to support his Russian chauvinism. That's not the spirit of Christ as I understand it.

I also want to add that the state has no business supporting the gay agenda, nor does the state have any business hounding those who sin as homosexuals do. I am, like I think all FReepers, ashamed that the USA under Obama supports abortion and homosexual marriage abroad.

44 posted on 04/19/2014 11:53:21 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

I’m reading Steinbeck’s EAST OF EDEN and your comment reminded me of the Chinese character Lee, who figures out with Chinese Bible scholars that in Hebrew Timshel means “thou mayest.” The meaning of that discovery being that we can choose to be good or to be evil. It’s a very good novel and I hope people continue to read it as one of the great 20th Century American classics.


45 posted on 04/20/2014 12:01:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

China has more English speakers than the US. What people fail to grasp is how BIG China is.


46 posted on 04/20/2014 4:00:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Psalm 144

We became arrogant and prideful.


47 posted on 04/20/2014 4:03:28 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I could believe that China has a lot of quiet Christianity going on in it.

Earthly prosperity fails to satisfy.

May God bless China and may China prove to be a blessing in the world. One characteristic of living Christian faith is radical voluntary sharing.


48 posted on 04/20/2014 4:06:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Vermont Lt

I’ve been preaching that for a while. I think that arrogance has been reflected in the unprecedented expansion of human government, which has subsumed a lot of the function that private charity used to undertake. The Caesar of old was treated as a supernatural god. Today’s Caesars are treated as secular humanist gods. It is not the people’s task any more to locate and establish good officials. It is officials’ task to bring the people on board with their agendas.


49 posted on 04/20/2014 4:10:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

The underground Catholic church numbers are unknown and considering the terrible persecution and martyrs there along with the other denominations that flourish beneath the radar since the Communists came to power, I think China could be more Christian than the US.

It isn’t about numbers. This isn’t a competition. This is about the faithful in Christ who truly suffer. I can’t emphasize their suffering enough. They are in danger, persecuted, suffer and die because they have faith.

Our brothers and sisters are an example for me when I whine about being too tired to pray or grumble about the inconvenience of missing a meal once in a whle.

We are at the very beginning of statist imposition on religion. It’s going to get worse. I think before the end of this decade it will be difficult, but it is noting like the suffering the Chinese are undergoing to follow Christ.


50 posted on 04/20/2014 4:33:31 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: elhombrelibre

That’s one Steinbeck I haven’t read. It’s next on my list.


51 posted on 04/20/2014 5:57:50 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: RitchieAprile

Yeah, some posters are very Christian, and some are not!


52 posted on 04/20/2014 6:52:20 AM PDT by BeadCounter ( Let's hope profanity remains the only stranger here.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Duplicate post. There was the setup with the usual fake title,...

More Christians in China than the USA?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3146502/posts
[Real title: China on course to become ‘world’s most Christian nation’ within 15 years]

...and the duplicate today. See how that works?

China is not free. Neither is Russia.


53 posted on 04/20/2014 4:45:02 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

Our church has had a program to bring over seven Chinese college students per year to evangelize them. We have two boys right now from Yunnan Province. They very eagerly accept the Gospel. We know of many conversions.


54 posted on 04/20/2014 5:11:38 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: elhombrelibre

I agree with your thinking. I am not shilling for Russia, Putin, or the mayor of Moscow. I just think some of the contrasts are interesting. In the US we have adopted “freedom from religion” in place of “freedom of religion”. I also believe that anyone who falls for the current “red baiting” is missing the existential threat our country faces from within. If we cannot beat donkey we will never wrestle a bear to the ground.


55 posted on 04/20/2014 5:55:54 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: familyop

Why would we invite China and Russia to occupy our country? We are already occupied by hostile forces or have you not noticed?


56 posted on 04/20/2014 6:01:16 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: familyop

“Duplicate post. There was the setup with the usual fake title,...

More Christians in China than the USA?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3146502/posts
[Real title: China on course to become ‘world’s most Christian nation’ within 15 years]

...and the duplicate today. See how that works?

China is not free. Neither is Russia.”

I think this “fake title” post has worked well for you since you keep replying to it.

Freedom is measured in degrees in most countries. Just how free are you in this country? How free will you be in 10 years?


57 posted on 04/20/2014 6:06:21 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Below, you'll find out where some of our own freedoms have been going.

America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts

The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843575/posts

Are you a member of the political class?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/are_you_a_member_of_the_politi.html

Downton’s Class System — and Ours: We have a ruling class that despises the free market and does all in its power to restrict its scope.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3024119/posts

The remainder of the default process will solve the problem. The bipartisan socialists will be laid off from all levels of government and government-linked businesses and receive haircuts to their incomes from debt/revenues. That process, depriving them of money and time, will decrease their influence in politics. The U.S.A. is much freer than Russia and China and will continue to be more free.


58 posted on 04/20/2014 6:37:10 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

There is too much hostility to religion in the USA. Mostly that is because the ones that are true to the Christian faith are not as malleable on where the Liberals want the USA to go on social issues. And, of course, the Liberals are hypocritical on church and state. They say they’re against church involvement on, say, abortion if they do not support it. But then they’re always for Liberal Democrats preaching at black churches to those Christians to vote for the Dems; they’d never say Martin Luther King Jr. should have stayed out of politics. Everything is situational with them.


59 posted on 04/20/2014 10:06:20 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Martin Luther King Jr. should have stayed out of politics.

Of course, Liberals always refer to MLK as, "Dr. King" instead of "Reverend King".

60 posted on 04/20/2014 10:08:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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