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Some Covered California Patients Say They Canít See A Doctor [Obama voters complain about Obamacare]
CBS San Francisco KPIX ^ | April 18, 2014

Posted on 04/19/2014 9:40:27 PM PDT by grundle

MOUNTAIN VIEW (KPIX 5) – While open enrollment for coverage under the Affordable Care Act is closed, many of the newly insured are finding they can’t find doctors, landing them into a state described as “medical homelessness.”

Rotacare, a free clinic for the uninsured in Mountain View, is dealing with the problem firsthand.

Mirella Nguyen works at the clinic said staffers dutifully helped uninsured clients sign up for Obamacare so they would no longer need the free clinic.

But months later, the clinic’s former patients are coming back to the clinic begging for help. “They’re coming back to us now and saying I can’t find a doctor, “said Nguyen.

Thinn Ong was thrilled to qualify for a subsidy on the health care exchange. She is paying $200 a month in premiums. But the single mother of two is asking, what for?

“Yeah, I sign it. I got it. But where’s my doctor? Who’s my doctor? I don’t know,” said a frustrated Ong.

Nguyen said the newly insured patients checked the physicians’ lists they were provided and were told they weren’t accepting new patients or they did not participate in the plan.

And Nguyen says – while the free clinic isn’t technically supposed to be treating former patents they signed up for insurance, they can’t in good faith turn them away.

Dr. Kevin Grumbach of UCSF called the phenomenon “medical homelessness,” where patients are caught adrift in a system woefully short of primary care doctors.

Those who can’t find a doctor are supposed to lodge a complaint with state regulators, who have been denying the existence of a doctor shortage for months.

Meanwhile, the sick and insured can’t get appointments.

“What good is coverage if you can’t use it?” Nguyen said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; doctorshortage; everheardofkeywords; everheardoftopics; obama; obamacare; obamalies
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This is part of the San Francisco area, where Obama won both elections by a huge percentage. Obama voters are complaining that Obamacare does not actually give them access to a doctor.
1 posted on 04/19/2014 9:40:27 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle
“What good is coverage if you can’t use it?” Nguyen said.

what good is taxation without representation???

2 posted on 04/19/2014 9:43:28 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: grundle

Show them a pic of Bammy and declare them cured.


3 posted on 04/19/2014 9:50:34 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: grundle

I knew this was coming as soon as they announced the ACA. Many doctors wouldn’t participate and/or would close their practices. Since so many providers are already close to overload, they’d quickly fill up (or even reduce the number of patients they’d be willing to put on their list). On top of that, the ACA was already not going to even try to include all providers; patients were going to get significantly-truncated lists of providers to choose from, and there were many reports that patients wouldn’t be allowed to go as far afield to locate one either (more limited coverage area).

Now it’s starting. These are just the first reports, and more are on the way.


4 posted on 04/19/2014 9:53:08 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Nachum

List ping.


5 posted on 04/19/2014 9:54:10 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: grundle
Obama voters are complaining that Obamacare does not actually give them access to a doctor.

Well what do you want for nothing, a rubber biscuit?

6 posted on 04/19/2014 9:54:32 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


7 posted on 04/19/2014 9:54:58 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Little Pig
Now it’s starting.

No problem. Have the government require the docs to serve everyone. If they try to retire, confiscate their savings and investments.

8 posted on 04/19/2014 9:56:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: grundle
Obama voters are complaining that Obamacare does not actually give them access to a doctor.

Maybe they should pay twice as much, so they can get twice as less doctors...

9 posted on 04/19/2014 9:59:26 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Jeff Chandler

I laugh at all LIB/DIM supporters who have such problems. Death panels may soon have you on their lists. Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.


10 posted on 04/19/2014 10:00:27 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: grundle

These dumb obamadroids are discovering that having health insurance does not mean you are going to get health CARE!


11 posted on 04/19/2014 10:01:23 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: grundle

Why the complaining? They’re insured, and that’s all that matters.


12 posted on 04/19/2014 10:01:47 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Little Pig

Yes, it’s country wide and it will be a major problem for years to come. Unless major changes are made, it will be the destruction of our Health Care system..as fragile as it is anyway. The good part is that many Doctors are getting out of the Medicaid/Medicare business and may still make it but that is not good news for patients.

The overall result is loss of Doctors, loss of Hospitals, loss of care... So this grand law will have the effect of giving insurance to 20 million or so and taking away the health care of 60 million...great idea these Democrats had.
What good if insurance if no Doctors or Hospitals will take it?

Healthcare is not insurance, it is Doctor’s care that is required, the Democrats do not seem to know the difference!


13 posted on 04/19/2014 10:02:14 PM PDT by Deagle (ues)
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To: grundle

But but but!!!! The rich people were supposed to pay!!!!! And the rest was going to come from Obama’s stash


14 posted on 04/19/2014 10:04:59 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: grundle

They should have stayed with state Medicaid. Paying a premium for non-existent health care coverage is for suckers.


15 posted on 04/19/2014 10:06:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: lurk

They figured on getting something for nothing. Instead they are getting nothing


16 posted on 04/19/2014 10:06:47 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I thought Jeff Chandler is dead.


17 posted on 04/19/2014 10:08:08 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: goldstategop

Not many doctors accept new Medicaid patients.
Even Medicare patients have trouble finding new doctors.


18 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:26 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: grundle
I have Leftist family members complaining ‘this ISN'T AFFORDABLE’. I usually say ‘this is what you voted for.......no wait, you voted for everybody else to pay for your medical care, didn't you?’? I am TRULY FED UP with Leftist whiners. I warned them they wouldn't be getting the medical care that they were accustomed to........they just wanted somebody else to be responsible. Can someone cue the world's tiniest violin??
19 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:36 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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Obamacare sucks as do the insurance execs and boards that also betrayed the nation in cooperating with socialism.


20 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:45 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: grundle

... and they shall call it ZEROCARE.


21 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: grundle

Isn’t Vietnam chock full of doctors? There you go!


22 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: entropy12

That’s the other Jeff Chandler.


23 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: entropy12

The Willie Green Of Health Plans.

Bump


24 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: grundle
“What good is coverage if you can’t use it?” Nguyen said.

This is so sad, but yet another prediction coming true. Health "coverage" and "care" are not the same thing. The goal of any serious health reform is not to get people "coverage" but ultimately increase access to quality to actual CARE. That means more facilities, not fewer. Obamacare does the exact opposite. Fewer new facilities will be built, existing facilities will not expand or even scale back because of the law.

However, since this person is "covered" - they count as a success story.

25 posted on 04/19/2014 10:09:54 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: grundle
Thinn Ong was thrilled to qualify for a subsidy on the health care exchange. She is paying $200 a month in premiums. But the single mother of two is asking, what for?

That $200 a month would pay for a lot of doctors visits and prescriptions.

26 posted on 04/19/2014 10:10:41 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Chode

Well put.


27 posted on 04/19/2014 10:11:03 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: grundle

BUSH’S FAULT! Omg,, Damn you Bush!


28 posted on 04/19/2014 10:11:11 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

As with liberalism in general, celebrate the symbolism and ignore the problems.


29 posted on 04/19/2014 10:12:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Oh, the “coverage” does indeed exist. It’s the “care” that doesn’t actually come along with the “coverage.” Sort of like...well...Europe and Canada - everyone has “coverage” - they may get no actual medical treatment, but at least everyone is “covered.”


30 posted on 04/19/2014 10:12:32 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: MaxMax

This is being setup to promote single payer.

Free Obamaphones soon to be followed by free health care.


31 posted on 04/19/2014 10:15:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Well what do you want for nothing, a rubber biscuit?

Ha! Thanks!

32 posted on 04/19/2014 10:15:30 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: grundle

33 posted on 04/19/2014 10:17:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Republican Wildcat
That $200 a month would pay for a lot of doctors visits and prescriptions.

Yes, but it's MUCH more important as "campaign contributions" funneled to Democrats.

34 posted on 04/19/2014 10:19:40 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: grundle
It is certain that soon all doctors will be conscripted, required to see 20% of their total patient count who are on one of these sh!tty plans.

Or lose their license to practice.

35 posted on 04/19/2014 10:21:43 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: goldstategop
This is being setup to promote single payer.

That might have been the plan at first, but like many ganja-fueled plans of the '60s and '70s "activists" now in power, things are so incredibly screwed up by now that most Americans want the government COMPLETELY out of "health care," not running the whole show.

36 posted on 04/19/2014 10:23:24 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: grundle

Good. Let them get bled dry, let them die of neglect, and once they’re all gone we’ll be able to vote their guys out and get our guys in to repeal it.


37 posted on 04/19/2014 10:24:42 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s funny until you become a Senior trying to find a Doctor that takes Medicare!


38 posted on 04/19/2014 10:28:07 PM PDT by Deagle (ues)
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To: Jet Jaguar
thank you Sir... it seemed like a logical comparison anyway
39 posted on 04/19/2014 10:28:55 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: grundle
“What good is coverage if you can’t use it?” Nguyen said.

That's because it's not coverage. It's government extortion under color of law.

Welcome to the consequences of this so-called Liberalism!

40 posted on 04/19/2014 10:29:25 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: DakotaGator

Because Obama isn’t your primary care doctor, stupid.

There - fixed it.


41 posted on 04/19/2014 10:32:20 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: JennysCool

“That might have been the plan at first, but like many ganja-fueled plans of the ‘60s and ‘70s ‘activists’ now in power, things are so incredibly screwed up by now that most Americans want the government COMPLETELY out of ‘health care,’ not running the whole show.”

I think Chief Justice Roberts saw this FAIL coming exactly as you say!


42 posted on 04/19/2014 10:37:00 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: JennysCool
Rubber Biscuit

43 posted on 04/19/2014 10:38:25 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Deagle

“That’s funny until you become a Senior trying to find a Doctor that takes Medicare!”

Roger that!


44 posted on 04/19/2014 10:38:43 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: grundle
While open enrollment for coverage under the Affordable Care Act is closed, many of the newly insured are finding they can’t find doctors, landing them into a state described as “medical homelessness.”

One of the hallmarks of socialism is as it is imposed, there are nearly instantaneous shortages of valued goods and services.

It never does not happen.

Rationing?

Poor care?

Shortages of supplies and meds?

Long waits?

Death Panels?

These are my worries for me and my family.

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45 posted on 04/19/2014 10:40:09 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Republican Wildcat

That $200 a month would pay for a lot of doctors visits and prescriptions.

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I wonder what her deductible was? Wait ‘til she finds out (assuming she finds a doctor), that she’s going to have to come out of pocket, maybe for quite a bit of money, for quite a while ... perhaps all year if her bills aren’t significant. As you stated, $200/mo would probably pay for routine care/meds - so the question is how long will she continue to pay those premiums for “nothing”. I think many of these folks will quickly figure out that they’re better off not paying premiums and using that cash for the care they need and they’ll likely be able to find a doctor, too.


46 posted on 04/19/2014 10:46:53 PM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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To: grundle
“What good is coverage if you can’t use it?” Nguyen said.

What good is a lying jug-eared Marxist?

47 posted on 04/19/2014 10:53:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“The goal of any serious health reform is not to get people “coverage” but ultimately increase access to quality to actual CARE. That means more facilities, not fewer. Obamacare does the exact opposite. Fewer new facilities will be built, existing facilities will not expand or even scale back because of the law.”

And the other thing that serious reform needs to do it to address the overall true cost of providing quality healthcare. In there zeal to get everyone’s private medical records computerized (so they can slice and dice you to see if you are worth treating) they have driven the cost sky-high. Now when we go to the doctor, he/she spends most of the “exam time” pounding away at a laptop instead of trying to find out what’s wrong with one of us. This whole sorry RAT- developed “system” is so ass backward it would be laughable if it weren’t deadly. Our only hope is that it is so bad that no amount of BS rhetoric will be able to cover it’s early collapse.
My wife just had open-heart surgery. The “visiting nurse” tells us that she has to go in after hours on her own nickel to enter “patient data” into their hospital’s new medical records system. She says that it is affecting her ability to provide patient care. There are literally tens of thousands of “codes” to describe in minute detail what they are doing to/for you.


48 posted on 04/19/2014 10:53:36 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Seizethecarp

Actually, I think that it will be the norm for both Medicaid and Medicare patients. For most things major, I would have to travel 150 miles to get to a Doctor or Hospital for treatment so it is essentially useless as primary coverage.

If you don’t have supplemental coverage that is accepted by local Doctors, then you are just screwed!

I even have Veterans coverage but of course that is also about 150 miles away so...

For the most part, I’m screwed! Just another side effect of Obamacare...

Happy and hope I don’t get any major sickness...heh.


49 posted on 04/19/2014 10:53:58 PM PDT by Deagle (ues)
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To: grundle

They didn’t mention that people go to the free clinics because the deductibles are so high that they can’t afford to see a doctor (if they had a doctor).

The liberal solution will be to close the free clinics because, after all, everyone now is required to have Obamacare.


50 posted on 04/19/2014 10:54:22 PM PDT by excopconservative
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