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Conservatives Deride Effort to Rig Electoral College
Newsmax ^ | Saturday, 19 Apr 2014 07:37 PM | Todd Beamon

Posted on 04/19/2014 11:34:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Conservatives slammed the campaign to effectively end the Electoral College’s role in presidential elections, saying that the National Popular Vote Compact circumvents the Constitution, saying it resembled President Barack Obama’s abuse of the law through his extensive use of executive orders. […]

Under the National Popular Vote Compact, each state would award its electoral votes to the presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote. The effort has been quietly winding its way through state governments, needing 270 votes to take effect. …

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: electoralcollege

1 posted on 04/19/2014 11:34:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 04/19/2014 11:38:21 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Question: New Jersey’s on the list. NJ has a Republican governor, Christie..and by the terms of thje state constitution, he’s considered to be the most powerful governor in the nation. So why doesn’t he reverse it..


3 posted on 04/20/2014 2:15:39 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: Olog-hai
Article II § 1: "Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors . . ."

NPV is horrible, and constitutional.

With NPV and a couple of Scotus appointments, the rats won't have to worry about suspending elections in order to remain in power. They won't even have to shutdown debate, intimidate conservatives into silence, or sic the IRS, and FBI on their enemies.

Thanks in part to no opposition from the GOP, our descent into police state hell is happening within the limits of our Frankenstein Constitution, and is perfectly legal.

What I don't understand is the trust so many Freepers have in the GOP wing of the Uniparty. If the GOP can't share in power, they will happily settle for wealth. In fact, they probably prefer it that way.

4 posted on 04/20/2014 2:38:23 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse.)
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To: Jacquerie

The language in the article posted is too soft. It’s not an end run, it’s not a circumvention, it’s flat out breach and the GOP better start working on prior restraint, and Congress ought to warn the states that the election will be decertified in an event such an attempt happens.

My guess is they want to get this in place before Obama’s final term ends so that when the Constitutional Crises manifests itself he’ll take action on the side he supports. We know what side that will be.

It’s going to make a great debate question during the election cycle, just start putting the questions to candidates. Will you or will you not support such a breach?

After that, there is nothing to stop the offended states from seceding, except military action. I.E another Civil War.


5 posted on 04/20/2014 3:03:38 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Olog-hai

The proper model for the EV would be to apportion the vote by the congressional district popular vote.
Since the EV is enumerated by the number of congress critters and senators, it makes sense to cast a vote for each congressional district, based on the popular vote in that district. And, then cast the two that represent the senators based on the popular of the State.

Anything else flies in the face of logic and a level playing field. As it stands, today, Ohio (for example) goes the way of Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, and (too lesser extent) Dayton and Toledo. The big three, though, actually sway the vote for the entire state. A quick look at the vote map for the 2012 vote is quite telling. With an apportioned EV, we would not have this a$$clown in the white hut, today.


6 posted on 04/20/2014 3:19:16 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Usagi_yo
What the article doesn't highlight is that every state that has currently approved this silly idea is a "deep blue" state ... which means they would have been voting for Democrats anyway.

The end result of this idiocy is that a state like California could have 60% of its voters elect a Democrat, yet the state's Electoral Votes would be cast for a Republican.

Let them see how that works for them.

7 posted on 04/20/2014 3:27:28 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Let them see how that works for them.

I'd really rather not.
8 posted on 04/20/2014 3:30:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

Latet anguis in herba.


9 posted on 04/20/2014 3:52:27 AM PDT by gasport (Will operate for food.)
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To: Olog-hai

Just wait until a democrat DOESN’T win a popular vote...


10 posted on 04/20/2014 4:17:34 AM PDT by jughandle ( "We have the right to debate and disagree with any administration!" -HRColl)
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To: Alberta's Child

If implemented it will move voter fraud to the national level. If California is a solid Democrat state and manufactures an extra 5 million votes, then under the electoral college it makes no difference. Under this alternative model it will affect the national total and make it harder for the Republican to take the office that he won.


11 posted on 04/20/2014 4:28:42 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Jacquerie
Article II § 1: "Each state shall ....

Article I § 10: "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, ... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State..."

12 posted on 04/20/2014 5:05:28 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Jacquerie
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
13 posted on 04/20/2014 5:14:51 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Jacquerie

Got this message this morning from COS:
“Alaska has passed HJR22 “The Convention of States Project Resolution” with no Amendments by a vote of 12 Yea and 8 Nay.


14 posted on 04/20/2014 5:20:01 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Olog-hai

The moment this passes, we need to report a 16 million vote advantage out of Wyoming for the next Republican presidential candidate. Since the left tells us vote fraud is a non-issue, this shouldn’t be difficult.


15 posted on 04/20/2014 5:34:09 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Olog-hai

The electoral college was a smart addition by the founders, but didn’t go far enough. I would favor a system that diluted the influence of cities - as they generally dilute out the representation of those not living in a major city. In a tangible way, the voters of the great urban areas dictate the type of government the rest of us live under.


16 posted on 04/20/2014 5:48:03 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Olog-hai
Dems never give up..

The Elector Hunt Begins [Election 2000]

"One battle-tested Democratic consultant has even begun a quiet intelligence-gathering operation that could aid a last-ditch Gore strategy in the Electoral College. Bob Beckel, who managed Walter Mondale's 1984 Democratic presidential campaign and has close ties to [Warren] Christopher, has been checking into the background of Republican electors, with an eye toward persuading a handful of them to vote for Mr. Gore. If Mr. Bush eventually prevails in Florida but wins none other of the most closely contested states, he would have 271 electoral votes. Three GOP defections could make Mr. Gore president . . . The Gore camp itself has disavowed any intention of seeking to sway GOP electors."

Even Slate published stories about it. At least it made it that far into the MSM.

17 posted on 04/20/2014 6:27:42 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: sphinx

Yeah, that’s just it....if the NPV produces a result they don’t like, one state or another will say, no we won’t appoint electors this way, we’ll send it back to the state legislature. Florida’s legislature almost took this route in 2000; several states did in 1876.


18 posted on 04/20/2014 6:46:39 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: sphinx

The moment this passes, we need to report a 16 million vote advantage out of Wyoming for the next Republican presidential candidate.
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That’ll almost balance out Filth-Adelphia ... We need reforms to stop cheating... 1.) photo voter id’s 2.) a national voter registration to stop dual voting (ie. FL and NY/NJ/CT) 3.) refuse to accept any EC votes from states that do not purge illegal aliens from their roster. 4.) institute tighter controls on phone/mail/internet voting and have a single 24 hour voting day on a weekend starting at midnight Friday (eastern) 5.) local voting officials chosen in a way to diminish cheating as we have seen where rats control 100% of the process.


19 posted on 04/20/2014 7:11:38 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

California’s adoption of this is the nail in the coffin of the manufactured majority of the Demagogic Party. This will literally cut their throats vis a vis the POTUS, because the overall nationwide turnout will rise due to better turnout by Pubbies in California, and for that matter, in NY (Cuomo just signed it). Thanks Olog-hai.


20 posted on 04/20/2014 7:22:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Repeal The 17th

At some point, perhaps after the June Assembly of the States, the Uniparty will notice this building groundswell of resistance and disgust.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 9:57:03 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Are we a free republic if our freedom depends on who sits in the Oval Office?)
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To: ALPAPilot; C210N

No compact is involved.


22 posted on 04/20/2014 9:59:04 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Are we a free republic if our freedom depends on who sits in the Oval Office?)
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To: Usagi_yo
Congress can't decertify electoral votes. Once the governor signs the certification and sends it to the Archivist of the U.S., that's it.

States have near plenary power to appoint presidential electors as they see fit.

23 posted on 04/20/2014 10:10:08 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Are we a free republic if our freedom depends on who sits in the Oval Office?)
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To: Olog-hai

Well, that’s not what I read. TYVM HAND


24 posted on 04/20/2014 12:29:13 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Jacquerie
No compact is involved.

It's called the National Popular Vote Compact.

Compact: A covenant or contract made between two or more persons or parties; a mutual agreement or understanding; ‘a mutual and settled appointment between two or more, to do or to forbear something. OED.

25 posted on 04/20/2014 2:24:14 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Jacquerie

If this passed Constitutional muster, then the states could have their electoral votes be decided by the popular votes of those states that have that are part of the group.

Clearly unconstitutional


26 posted on 04/20/2014 2:30:25 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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