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The Way-Back Machine: Polish Parliament Backs Pro-EU Protesters in Ukraine
Sofia News Agency ^ | December 3, 2013 | novinite.com

Posted on 04/20/2014 3:21:07 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy

Poland's Parliament has adopted Tuesday a declaration expressing support for the European integration of Ukraine and Ukrainians who have taken to the streets after the scrapping of an Association Agreement with the EU.

In the resolution, the Sejm vows "full solidarity with the citizens of Ukraine, who with great determination show the world their desire to ensure their country's full membership in the EU."

At the same time, Polish MPs have expressed "deep concern" about the exacebation of tension in Ukrainian political and social life.

They called Ukrainian authorities to respect the principles of democracy, rule of law and the sovereignty of the people and refrain from any action that could lead to an escalation of violence.

The Polish Parliament further expressed the hope political actors in Ukraine will ensure the peaceful running of rallies, and will unite in a consensus regarding the European future of their country.

MPs also called the Parliaments of other EU countries to adopt measures to adopt policies to strengthen civil society in Poland, including visa facilitations for youth, cultural and NGO exchange.

For the 13th day in a row this Tuesday, tens of thousands of Ukrainians have walked out on the streets of Kiev and many other major cities to protest the freezing of the EU Association Agreement by Ukraine's government.

Many Ukrainians fear that this will move the country away from Europe and into an ever closing bond with Russia.

The protests turned violent over the weekend, after protesters and riot police clashed, leaving dozens wounded.

Senior Polish politicians, including Poland's President Bronislaw Komorowski and opposition leader and former PM Jaroslaw Kaczynski, have attended some of the pro-EU rallies in Ukraine.

The EU Association Agreement was supposed to be signed at last Friday's EU Eastern Partnership summit held in Lithuania's capital Vilnius.

The Easter Partnership initiative, spearheaded by Poland and Sweden, was launched by EU in 2009 in a bid to foster the gradual integration of former Soviet republics in Europe.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: eu; euromaidan; poland; russia; ukraine
The reason I posted this thread is the spread across the net of a story posted in a leftist Polish magazine about Poland's government already early in the autumn 2013 offering assitance and training opportunities to people from the Ukrainian neo-nazi Right Sector. As far as I have been able to glean from a web-translation of the original article it does not contain any verifiable facts. However, as is mentioned in several articles citing that piece, the Polish authorities very early on suppported the demonstrators in Kiev and Lvov in a way that would hardly be acceptable between two democratic neighbouring countries. The Polish involvement in the Maidan protests were as far as I can remember never fully covered by the Western media.

Refs:

Poland’s Role in Destabilizing Ukraine: Polish Military Trained Neo-Nazi Militants for EuroMaidan Protests

Tajemnica stanu, tajemnica Majdanu

1 posted on 04/20/2014 3:21:07 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy
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To: Navy Patriot; goldstategop; tcrlaf; PieterCasparzen; Olog-hai

PING!


2 posted on 04/20/2014 3:23:16 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Absolutely Nobama; Alex Murphy; alpo; Army Air Corps; azishot; B4Ranch; bigbob; ...

Ping.

Thanks Scania.

This turned me on to Paul Craig Roberts.

Looks like he’s a goldbug, but other than that, how can conservatives not take a read of the columns written by a Reagan official ?

The troubling goldbug part is the simplest of all bankster scams and trips up the most stalwart business and finance people; government printing of paper dollars is 100% better than handing that authority over to private money interests, which will always be corrupted (and easily, since the don’t even have the very limited transparency that government has). And “backing” means that government STILL can’t print its own money without buying gold from banksters. Only when government prints its own money can it escape bankster control.

With all of Roberts’ quality information - he still puts Washington DC front and center. Must be careful to keep in mind that Washington is a beast that has a parasite inside it, and the parasite is the true enemy. Washington - along with governments of the other nations - is simply a hollowed out host that is being used as a weapon against people.

All that being said, Roberts’ commentary is quite scathing coming from a former Reagan official.


3 posted on 04/20/2014 7:43:25 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I was in Poland when this protest started and th enews stated that people were being bussed into Maidan. You are right, the western media never talked aobut it or even asked about it.


4 posted on 04/20/2014 7:59:25 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Nothing like Obama’s foreign policy to set things back eighty years or so. Poland sees the continent as caught between two rival empires once more and is taking the side of the one it perceives as less malevolent, even though both have equally malevolent intent.


6 posted on 04/20/2014 9:55:39 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ScaniaBoy
It seems that the problem with Ukraine is that the Russians, under the sway of Putin, are using the same tactics and strategy as the EU, Poles, Germans, French and Brits, but are doing a much better job of it, in spite of the fact that the Russians are being responsive to the initiation of said tactics by the EU.

It must really fry the Western Socialist left, and their MSM sycophants, to be beat so badly at their own game.

7 posted on 04/20/2014 10:48:03 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson

Hi Boris, what’s the weather in Moscow ?


8 posted on 04/20/2014 10:52:45 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: ScaniaBoy
“a leftist Polish magazine”

It is a neo-commie/porn/anti-Chrisitan/anti-western rag owned by a spokesman of 80’s commie government and with Soviet secret service employees working as “journalists”. They will print whatever Russian embassy tells them to print.

9 posted on 04/20/2014 10:59:22 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Navy Patriot

Yawn. Except that all the major EU countries are opposing the quick rout for Ukraine’s membership. There’s no power struggle between EU and Russia over Ukraine, If EU wanted Ukraine as badly as you say, they would have been in years ago.


10 posted on 04/20/2014 11:03:40 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
...all the major EU countries are opposing the quick rout for Ukraine’s membership.

Too bad EU "membership" for Ukraine means EU administrative natural resource control, land grabs and debt slavery.

But Ukes will be able to pay it off, after generations of "austerity".

11 posted on 04/20/2014 11:19:32 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Jerzy Urban is a Commie Pig.


12 posted on 04/20/2014 11:24:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Navy Patriot
Yeah and Monasanto Nazis and what's not. Dude, EU has never really wanted Ukraine in, contrary to what you Putinists spread all over the place and once the obvious is pointed out, all you can do is change the subject. Now paste a shirtless Putin on a pony.
13 posted on 04/20/2014 11:25:17 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson
The part of Czechoslovakia taken in 1938 had been under dispute since 1918 and the Poles only occupied it to prevent the Germans from moving in when they took over the rest of Czechoslovakia in 1938.

In 1968, the Polish army was forced by the Russians to participate in the invasion. Polish tanks crossed the border, but with their guns turned backwards as a sign of protest.

There are long standing ties between the Western part of Ukraine and Poland (not always happy ones), but a lot of Western Ukrainians have seen the political and economic development of Poland since 1989 and want the same thing.

There is no way in hell that Poland will sit back and do nothing as Ukraine becomes a Russian satellite or even worse is re-annexed by the Russian Empire, and if the Russians have a 'right' to intervene for 'historical' reasons, why not the Poles?

14 posted on 04/20/2014 12:17:40 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: dfwgator

The first Polish sentence I learned to speak was, “Jerzy Urban is a sonofabitch.”


15 posted on 04/20/2014 12:19:19 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: pierrem15

Jerzy Urban jest sukinsynem.


16 posted on 04/20/2014 12:21:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PieterCasparzen; ScaniaBoy; All

Thanks for the ping/post; post; thread. Very interesting current events/history BUMP!


18 posted on 04/20/2014 4:04:38 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson

The annexation if cieszyn in 1938 was a follow up.to
1920. In 1918 both apoland and Czechów were reborn. The duchy of cieczyn on the border between the two with an ethnically mixed population was a point of dispute. The locals were sensible and set up a joint governing area. But the czech govt took over the entire land. Poland grabbed it back in 1938 in a.silly move. But recently both sides.have agreed to the earlier, local, sensible agreement. Also the 1968 move was under.the Warsaw pact, another stupid move but pushed by the Kremlin. That move had the effect of galvanising the anti communist movement in poland that took a lead 14 years later and was instrumental in the collapse of the Soviet bloc


19 posted on 04/20/2014 6:59:50 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: pierrem15; Ruprecht Jamieson

Correct. Poland needs buffer states between it and the Russian eagle. A buffer state is always a good idea. The loss of the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth in 1791 directly lead to ww1 as it put Germany and Austria-Hungary in direct contact with each other.


20 posted on 04/20/2014 7:04:30 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Also note that Poland would not train Bandera neo Nazis. Why wouldn’t they? Because the main target of those banderas were Poles. They define themselves as.Cossacks and that puts a chill to most poles who remember the UPA.slaughtering thousands of polish civilians.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 7:08:03 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Finally, despite Rtv’s claims, the majdan protests were peaceful.


22 posted on 04/20/2014 7:10:59 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Gomulka was an evil man. In 1968, he also expelled most of Poland’s remaining Jews.

It’s a story not often told, but Irena Sendler, who was censored by the Communists, even proclaimed she would once again shelter Jews if the Polish Communists wouldn’t let up their anti-Jewish policies.


23 posted on 04/20/2014 7:11:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Grzegorz 246; Navy Patriot; PGalt; PieterCasparzen; Cronos; goldstategop; dfwgator; Olog-hai; ...
Dude, EU has never really wanted Ukraine in, contrary to what you Putinists spread all over the place and once the obvious is pointed out, all you can do is change the subject.

Sorry, Grzegorz, but that is complete and utter hogwash!

I'll quote from one blog, but there are so much more out there to show that the EU has lusted for Ukraine for years:

Ukraine: EU provocation presages a retreat

"Despite that, with total disdain for the finer feelings of the Russians, the EU has been nothing else but provocative. Its website, going back to 2007 (the earliest we can find), tells us that the EU is seeking an increasingly close relationship with Ukraine, "going beyond mere bilateral co-operation, to gradual economic integration and a deepening of political co-operation".

Ukraine, it goes on to say, is a priority partner country within the European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP). The Partnership and Co-operation Agreement (PCA) which entered into force in 1998 and provided a comprehensive and ambitious framework for cooperation between the EU and Ukraine, in all key areas of reform.

At the Paris Summit in September 2008 an agreement was reached to start negotiations on an EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, which was to be the successor agreement to the PCA.

In November 2009, the Cooperation Council adopted the EU-Ukraine Association Agenda. This replaced the former Action Plan, and was installed to prepare for and facilitate the entry into force of the new Agreement. For 2010, a list of priorities for action was jointly agreed by Ukraine and the EU.

So said the EU, the Association Agreement "will significantly deepen Ukraine's political association and economic integration with the EU". As Ukraine became a member of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in May 2008, negotiations on the establishment of a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA) were launched, as an integral part of the Association Agreement. Negotiations for this DCFTA continued alongside the Association Agreement talks.

Thus far, no country has ever gone a stage further than this without then becoming a candidate state, preparing to join the EU. This was the route taken by Bulgaria and Romania. The huge scope of the Association Agreement thus attests that it is far more than a simple trade agreement, the pursuit of which has been relentless since well before 2001, as this document illustrates."

For links to original EU documents go to the linked blog page.

Note that when Dr North wrote this post he had already been proven correct vis-à-vis the title of the post, though he was not quite aware of it at the time. For those interested look for the 32nd EU - Russia summit (28 January 2014) and the outcome thereof, which turned out to be potentially very embarrassing for the EU. Luckily for those involved this little incident has been almost completely forgotten/hidden/unknown by most media outlet; most but not all:

EU blamed for mishandling Ukraine trade pact agreement

24 posted on 04/21/2014 8:52:44 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; All

Thanks for the post/ping back to a very interesting, informative, educational thread. History/current events BUMP!


25 posted on 04/21/2014 9:01:38 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: ScaniaBoy

That was very interesting SB.

1) Isn’t it preposterous that such far-reaching international treaties, which cede national sovereignty to international bodies like the EU, would be signed by governments without having popular referendums of at least 80% of the populace voting to effectively surrender their own nation to foreigners.

2) Even Foxnews does not cover how this corrupt process of Western assimilation of Ukraine has been proceeding, one step at a time, every since Ukraine’s independence. This shows Foxnews does not care about liberty, they care about carrying water for their masters

3) The EU is obviously negotiating with diddly-squat to offer Ukraine. If EU membership was a good deal - IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SNAPPED UP BY UKRAINE YEARS AGO. Even with a puppet pro-Western elite finance government in Kiev - the deal still is resisted. Duuuuuhhhhhhhhh. Anyone with half a brain can thus figure out that the deal is therefore not attractive. Give up your national sovereignty, let the EU control your currency, economy, law, etc. And in exchange for that - you get diddly. The financial elites (UK/US/Europe) THINK EVERYONE ELSE IS A MORON, A RUBE RIPE FOR ROBBING BLIND.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 9:40:31 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: ScaniaBoy
“Sorry, Grzegorz, but that is complete and utter hogwash!”

LOL ! You guys crack me up. Come on, It's not that I don't know about it but:

1. “The Partnership and Co-operation Agreement (PCA) which entered into force in 1998” -> 16 years later they are hardly closer to EU membership, EU has been treating them like Turks, who have been trying to join for decades, also signed a damn load of protocols and agreements, kept waiting and waiting until they realized they will be better off without the whole damn thing. You live and Europe, so you know very well that Ukraine's membership would cost EU EUR ~100 billion in the first couple of years alone, there's no way major contributors come up with that money, at least not until >2004 ex-commie new members are fully “absorbed”, which is going to take at least 10-15 years more.

2. Despite all that bureaucratic monster in Brussels, several major member states (mainly Germany & France) pull all the strings, you want to tell me with a straight face that Franco-German powered EU is some aggressive anti-Russian empire ? France sells them weapons, Gerries have been in bed with Russians since years (Schroeder landing a job at Gazprom was a good example) the whole EU’s “energy policy” was basically created by Berlin and Moscow, to promote German “green technologies” and Russian gas. Without the recent stunts, Russians actually would have a serious chance to totally infiltrate the whole thing. So much for “aggressive anti-Russian EU” and poor Putin, who has no choice but to defend himself.

27 posted on 04/22/2014 2:42:41 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: ScaniaBoy
My opinion, shortly:

Your original source is rubbish, far-left tabloid.

Polish politicians are obsessed about Ukraine joining the EU. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they would support Majdan in that way.

The EU doesn't wanted Ukraine to join in near future. Btw, if you don't like the EU you should support Ukrainian membership right from tomorrow.

It was not about the EU but about NATO planning to take Russian navy base in Crimea in the future.
28 posted on 06/02/2014 10:06:09 AM PDT by Lukasz
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I don't like the EU, but I have never wanted to sacrifice Ukraine and the Ukrainians on the altar of a EU-free Europe.

Unfortunately, what some sane politcians foretold (like here, and also Henry Kissinger in the WSJ) has come to pass - Ukraine is split, we have a smouldering civil war, and in the end EU, the US, and the IMF will never bail out Ukraine; simply too expensive, so the country's economy will collapse - again!

29 posted on 06/02/2014 10:45:02 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

In Ukraine there is nothing left to spoil. If I’m wrong, give Ukrainians a chance and they will do it themselves. After all they just elected an oligarch to be their president.


30 posted on 06/04/2014 12:27:16 PM PDT by Lukasz
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