Skip to comments.Maybe Russians Should Apologize for the 20th Century First
Posted on 04/20/2014 4:11:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
Jim Kress Wrote: There are so many grammatical mistakes in this leaflet [about Jews in Ukraine] that it could fool only non-Russian speaking people about its authenticity. I found few mistakes in one word in the very first sentence. It is unacceptable to ignore the fact of so many grammatical mistakes in the official document for a large multiple media publications.Before jumping to emotional conclusions, people have to cool down and realize that their ignorance of another nations culture, history, and language should not be used by our government and their lackey media as an excuse to justify the involvement of NATO or UN peacekeeping military in conflicts happening overseas, thousand miles away from our borders, and basically none of our business. - Why Not Arm the Jews In Ukraine?
Dear Comrade Jim,
Your familiarity with Russian, your awkward prepositional phrasing and your dropping of the indefinite article a, make me suspect that you are a non-native speaker of English.
You seem to be arguing that Vladimir Putin isn't responsible for the situation in Ukraine on the basis of a pamphlet that has grammar problems.
Getting past the fact that anti-Semites generally arent known for their perfect diction and their impeccable grammar, the point of the article was to remind everybody that regardless of who put out the pamphlet, Vladimir Putin is the guy who's responsible for the unrest in Ukraine.
I for one am not ignorant of Russias culture, history and language.
I have studied Russian literature, language and history since I was 19 years old.
That's 30 years of experience.
So let me say this-- if youre Russian-- on the basis of my own observations about Russia's culture history and language: You owe the rest the world a big freaking apology.
And I'm not just talking about the tasteless joke that is Vladimir Putin, the guy who couldn't run the Olympic Games.
Do you know how many people died in the 20th century because of Russian idiocy? Seriously, name one Russian accomplishment that has helped the world since y'all killed the Czar and his family, who by the way, was one of the finest Russians your country ever produced.
Don't get me wrong: I love the Russian people. I hate the pimps and ignoramuses like you who've exploited them, starved them, beat them, killed them and manipulated them for 1000 years.
As R.J. Rummel wrote: "[T]he Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these."
That leaves another 18 million by Russians of other regimes. And you want to assign some moral equivalency to wars like Iraq and Afghanistan?
But guess what?
Your guy, Obama, won't be president forever.
And while the world is weary of war, that didn't stop the United States of America from standing up against Hitler, who as an anti-Semite, had his own grammar problems with the German language. And it didn't stop us from standing up against the Soviet Union for 45 years.
And by the way, as Robert Conquest has observed, Stalin, who was a non-native speaker of Russian, and also a Jew hater, had problems with the case endings of Russian words.
I hereby reserve the right of my country to kick the crap out of petty little tyrants like Vladimir Putin regardless of the state of America's ignorance about other countries.
I'm glad Americans are often ignorant about other countries.
Other countries suck.
Hoorah! for America!
And boo for ignorance wrapped in a Russian wrapper.
Maybe for Easter you guys can start off with apologizing to the rest of the world for the atrocities you've already committed.
Fabien Wrote: These neocons are almost funny (after it's not my life at stake, nor his). They just armed the fascist from Wester Ukraine (and they are the real deal) and now they want to arm the jews. And we, the cheeps, get all exited for a UFC fight! - Why Not Arm the Jews In Ukraine?
Dear Comrade Fabien,
What you call neocon used to be known as foreign policy and national security policy.
Under your definition of neocon, Franklin Roosevelt was a neocon, Harry Truman was a neocon, Dwight Eisenhower was a neocon, Jimmy Carter was a neocon, Ronald Reagan was a neocon.
Why don't libertarians like you concentrate on the real work of Libertaria by making pot legal everywhere first, because that seems to be working out very well for everybody.
And leave the defense and foreign policy arrangements to those of us who understand the constitutional duty of our federal government to protect us from all enemies foreign and domestic.
In any event, you hardly comprehended the article: My call to arm the Jews is a rhetorical call. I'm pointing out that Mr. Obama has no problem with an activist foreign and defense policy, as long as it acts upon those groups he favors.
Having said that, if there was some way for me to get arms in the hands of Jews in Ukraine, as president of the United States I would consider it a not bad option; certainly a better option than American soldiers fighting there.
LibertarianSoldier Wrote: First, if you ever say, "But alas...", consecutively, you're illiterate, as this writer begins a paragraph! That's like saying, "however, but..." How do you read past that? - The Recovery is Dead
Dear Comrade Libertarian,
So, it's kind of like calling yourself a libertarian soldier, right?
Why would libertarians need soldiers anyways? Isn't the whole idea of libertarianism that people should be free did make their own choices? Isn't the whole idea of soldiers that they should compel people to do things they would otherwise not do?
Philosophically wouldn't it be better if you called yourself LibertarianKiosk? Or LibertarianPamphletDispenser? Or LibertarianWebsiteThatNoOneShouldEverBeForcedToVisit?
LibertarianSoldier I think is an admission that you're not really a libertarian.
I will admit that the phrase But, alas has a certain antique or Victorian element to it.
That's because I'm not very fond of modern writers. Like William Manchester, my writers tend to come more from the Victorian school, the Golden age of great literature.
Your criticism indicates, however, but-- ha, ha!-- that you're not familiar with the actual definition of the word alas. It's an expression of weariness or unhappiness. Merriam Webster says it is used to express sadness, sorrow, disappointment.
So one could render the expression as But sorrowfully, while more money is the Democrat recipe for success in everything .
That would just sound silly though.
So real writers, like Shakespeare and and Lewis Carroll, use the phrase But alas, as in: But, alas, Caesar must bleed for it and but, alas for poor Alice!
I will let you, Comrade Kiosk, decide which author wrote which line.
Marx wasn’t Russian to start with.
Lenin was a German intelligence agent as well.
Stalin was Georgian.
Khruschev and Brezhnev were Ukrainians.
Well, finally Gorbachev was Russian. Let him apologize.
The ADL and the Chief Rabbi of the Ukrainian town where the leaflets appeared both seem to be blaming Kiev and it has people worried. Could it be the “good guys” put out the leaflets to make the Eastern Ukraine protesters look bad?
During the reign of Josef Stalin, essentially unfettered mass shootings, labor camps, forced exile and deliberate famine killed so many people in the Soviet Union that the death toll was just stunning—43 to 60 million plus may not be far from the truth. If Stalin had just lived two years longer, we could have added several million more—Stalin was just starting another major purge at the time of his death.
Mao Tse-Tung is the champ here with 76,702,000 to his ‘credit’. Given a few more years maybe he could have topped 100M ...
Percentages matter. Pol Pot took out a full 20% of the Cambodian population.
When you hear someone say "From my cold, dead, hands", that's just what "Progressives" have in mind.
The eradication of small pox was a Soviet project carried out under the UN banner.
Can't think of anything else.
LOL. Gorbachev was half Ukrainian.
Has the Russian army ever liberated anyone? I’m drawing a blank.
Krushchev was NOT Ukrainian. He was one one of those Russians who spoke Russian born on Ukrainian territory so in vogue these days. He says so HIMSELF in his autobiography:
“In his memoirs he remembered his time there with special warmth: ‘I myself am a Russian and wouldn’t want to ·slight the Russian people, but 1 must attribute our success in the restoration of Ukrainian agriculture and the reconstruction of Ukrainian industry to the Ukrainian people themselves.’
He also comments in his autobiography that his internal passport was marked Russian under nationality.
Brezhnev was also an ethnic Russian born on Ukrainian territory
“Brezhnev was born in Kamenskoe into a Russian worker’s family”
(Although he identified himself as Ukrainian until 1952 when he changed it to Russian)
And F ing Russians are welcome to both those monsters as well as the original monster Lenin.If the Revolution hadn’t gained power in St Petersburg and Moscow the Soviet Union would never have happened.
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joseph_stalin.html#9MxZg3Fb0sKLFEhj.99
The Bolsheviks were composed of an international conspiracy of an estimated 35,000 terrorists who flooded in from around the world in order to overthrow the elected government (and thereby commit treason during wartime against the Russian people).
The author of this diatribe probably is ignorant of the fact that related Communist groups ALSO overthrew the government and seized power in Hungary, Bavaria (Munich), and made serious efforts in Vienna and other German-speaking cities
-- which of course proves that Russians had nothing to do with them since they were conducted by locals of those countries.
"The Russians" have absolutely nothing to apologize to the world for. They were just the first and greatest victims of a demonic force unleashed upon the world.
~HIMSELF in his autobiography:
In his memoirs he remembered his time there with special warmth: I myself am a Russian and wouldnt want to ·slight the Russian people, but 1 must attribute our success in the restoration of Ukrainian agriculture and the reconstruction of Ukrainian industry to the Ukrainian people themselves.
He also comments in his autobiography that his internal passport was marked Russian under nationality.
Brezhnev was also an ethnic Russian born on Ukrainian territory Brezhnev was born in Kamenskoe into a Russian workers family (Although he identified himself as Ukrainian until 1952 when he changed it to Russian)~
Being a Russian was more prestigious at the time and Russia was the most populous state in the Union. Claiming a Russian heritage was their way to campaign. Both were culturally Ukrainian, especially Khrushchev.
They "liberated" Germany from Hitler?
While there were victims of communism, most Russians were either indifferent or active supporters and collaborators, including the Russian Orthodox Church, which has never been anything but an arm of the state.
According to Wiki, Pol Pot killed 2.5 million out of a population of about 8 million.
Khrushchev was an ethnic Russian, who was Moscow’s man in the Ukraine in the 1940s.
Beria caught wind of it, and poisoned Stalin, allegedly, he told the rest of the Politburo, which was going to be purged, along with Beria himself, "I saved all of you."
Hitler was perhaps the biggest Socialist monster. He was the only person in history to ever give Communism something they’ve never had before or since- The Moral High Ground.
Good point in your post #23.
True, I was probably fooled by his habit to wear Ukrainian national dress and his overall connection to Ukraine. Anyway he has moved to Ukraine as a 15 yo and started his career there.
In Soviet Union, Ukrainians were fellow “Homo Sovieticus” with the Russians. They tried to eliminate all notions of nationalism.
I don’t know what you are talking about, the commies have absolutely nothing to do with it
The errors may convey that it was not “official”.
It’s very existence shows a dangerous mindset, too close to the front lines to be ignored.
Didn’t do Beria much good, huh?
The NKVD had gotten WAY too powerful by then, and Beria was a notorious sexual pervert, so the rest of the Politburo had him accused of spying and shot not long after Stalin died.
Actually, I think you don't know what you are talking about. You asked for an example of some good deed done by the Russians after the murder of the Tsar. I gave you one - unless you are going to say the Soviets don't count as Russians. And it was Russian communists who killed the Tsar in the first place. So yes, the commies had a lot to do with it.
FYI do you know how they did it? Killed more than a quarter of their own population? We have that movie, The Killing Fields, where masses of people are killed by suffocation, but that's drama. You can't really kill millions of people by putting plastic baggies on their heads. The Khmer Rouge was always a small minority and too much overt killing would have produced a rebellion.
The Khmer Rouge abolished money. The elimination of money caused a complete collapse in the social division of labor. Without pricing every sort of production became grossly inefficient. Agriculture was no exception, and most of the people who died simply died of starvation and starvation related diseases.
Given that China’s poulation was around 600,000,000 that would be about 13% for Mao ... Still, Mao’s 76M high body pile would be far higher the Pot’s meager 2,000,000 ... Just a rounding error for Mao.
Preaching to the choir ...
Khrushchev was born in Russia. His father later got a job in Ukraine and the family moved there.