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Overland Park Rampage Killer Ranted to Rabbi About 'You Jews' (FBI knew weeks earlier?)
Forward ^ | 4-20-14

Posted on 04/20/2014 9:10:03 AM PDT by SJackson

Frazier Glenn Miller Called Hotline To Vent

The notorious white supremacist charged with fatally shooting three people outside of Jewish community centers near Kansas City reportedly called a Jewish hotline weeks earlier to rant to a rabbi about “getting rid of every Jew.”

Frazier Glenn Cross, 73, was connected to Rabbi Menachem Siegal, director of the United Jewish Communities of Eastern Europe and Asia when he called a hotline on March 30, the New York Post reported.

Cross, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, blasted Siegal for raising money for Jews because they “cause all of the problems” and “destroyed the whole economy in the United States and the world.”

“He started going on a rampage and said Hitler should have finished off the job,” Siegal told The Post.

“He kept calling me, ‘You Jews.’ He said, ‘You Jews are the ones that destroyed the whole economy in the United States and the world’ and he said, ‘You guys control all of the money.’ ”

Siegal provided the paper a copy of the call log and caller ID for the conversation that lasted 10 minutes.

Cross referenced Hitler five times in the conversation, but did not hint to the rabbi that he planned to go on a killing spree. The Department of Justice is investigating the phone call as part of its probe.

Cross allegedly killed three people, including a 14-year-old boy, during two shootings in Overland Park last Sunday. None of the victims were Jewish.


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1 posted on 04/20/2014 9:10:03 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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Rereading, perhaps not, I may have assumed Justice was provided with the transcript after the March 30 call rather than after the shootings. If earlier as I assumed, the question is whether it was taken seriously.

2 posted on 04/20/2014 9:15:27 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson

So this guy was advertising his potential for extreme violence. And the FBI knew of it? This is an agency famous - actually infamous - among law enforcement people for refusing to give out any information, for only taking.

If true, this would explain why so many liberal politicians are hot for gun confiscation as a solution to mass murder. They’re too stupid to recognize those about to commit violence even when they scream their intentions to the heavens above.


3 posted on 04/20/2014 9:21:05 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: DPMD

I may have misunderstood. It’s not clear when they were given the March 30 warning.


4 posted on 04/20/2014 9:25:47 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson
None of the victims were Jewish.

I hadn't heard that one before.

If he is a former KKK member, then the odds are 100-1 that he's a Democrat. And Hitler was a socialist. But the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy will get the blame, no doubt.

5 posted on 04/20/2014 9:31:03 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SJackson
Per the Rabbi's Facebook page the FBI did not know in advance.

As we mourn the fatalities in kansas... I am shocked to realize that the killer glen miller called me 2 weeks ago thru the our organizations 24 hour donate hotline and started cursing out all Jews and was saying that hitler should have come to the USA and killed the rest of us...If I would have known the future I would have reported him... May all the victims rest in peace and those injured have a Refuah shelaima... Next year in Jerusalem!!

6 posted on 04/20/2014 9:37:01 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Regarding my posts on two threads questioning when the FBI knew about the call, note post 6, it was after the killings. Below, a post from the killer on VNN, you can find the link on google

I just phoned that kike charity number, 718-676-4099. I got voice mail then pressed number 3 for a represenative. Young male jew answered. 5-7 minute conversation. I let it all hang out about filthy, kike parasites and war mongers - Hitler was right, etc., before the kike hung up. I got him all shook up, and he practically foamed at the mouth, but he at least tried feebly and whiningly to debate me. Not a bright, informed jew, a'tall. For example, he emphatically denied the present PM of Ukraine is a jew. Why don't yaw'll have a chat with it ?? Great fun and day brightener listening to it yell and stutter.

7 posted on 04/20/2014 9:40:58 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson

Maybe the Yids in that area will learn when seconds count the cops are only minutes or hours away. And then they’ll start carrying.


8 posted on 04/20/2014 9:55:11 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Cicero
Christian minister and his 14 year old grandson at the Community Center, Christian lady at the old folks home.

He targeted the facilities. Don't know about Missouri, but it's been decades since most Jewish schools and camps had any prominent signage, some have none. Many synagogues have had restricted entry for decades. And some pay no attention to the threats at all.

9 posted on 04/20/2014 9:57:52 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Maybe, maybe not


10 posted on 04/20/2014 10:02:44 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: DPMD

So this guy was advertising his potential for extreme violence. And the FBI knew of it?

They’re too stupid to recognize those about to commit violence even when they scream their intentions to the heavens above.


We need to be extremely careful. First, we still have a 1st Amendment in this country and people have a right to say inflammatory things. I read it every day on here and I imagine you can read stuff like that on DU. You can’t have it both ways and hindsight is always 20/20.

Regardless of what they knew or didn’t know, and it’s certainly unclear, we should be careful about demanding action. People often say inflammatory things, but people rarely act on them. Do we want the FBI monitoring every comments section for news stories and acting immediately upon them? I don’t. That seems to be the insinuation by some in response to this story.

A slippery slope and we have all seen how each opposing administration can influence what is inflammatory and what is not. This man was full of hate, but there are many on every side of every issue that are full of hate. While often ignorant, it is not often a crime or an accurate predictor of a criminal act.


11 posted on 04/20/2014 10:24:18 AM PDT by volunbeer
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To: volunbeer
Turns out they didn't know about the call until after the killing. The Rabbi didn't report it at the time as there was no direct threat of violence, just ranting about Jews. Note my posts upthread. I don't disagree with your 1st amendment position. This wouldn't be an issue of FBI monitoring, rather the Rabbi reporting a threat. Which he didn't perceive, others might take his rant differently. If some ranted to me about filthy, kike parasites and war mongers - Hitler was right, should have come here and killed them, I'd be on my guard.

It's true they rarely act on them. But some do, and those who do, usually there are indicators in their background. Given the killers felony record and record of advocating violence, and the presumably extensive knowledge the FBI would have on a former informer, it would have been reasonable to follow up. In the absence of a complaint, nothing could be done.

Interesting question I'd like to see answered. How did a convicted felon obtain firearms. Specifically, was it due to the clear social security number the witness protection program provided him. If so, that's a problem.

12 posted on 04/20/2014 10:36:12 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson

well he shot 3 Christians


13 posted on 04/20/2014 10:40:10 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Yes, he did


14 posted on 04/20/2014 10:43:56 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: Cicero
Someone arranged for this mentally ill "KKK" monster to speak at a college a few months back.

I suspect he was trotted out by ‘southern poverty law center’ types to ‘prove’ how horrible the vast right wing conspiracy was. I also suspect some in the FBI were in on it.

The professor who had this man out to speak to his class should be questioned - it's unlikely they traveled in the same circles.

15 posted on 04/20/2014 10:48:03 AM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC reporters couldn't spot a criminal if he was at the company Christmas party.)
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To: Cicero; Liz
Someone arranged for this mentally ill "KKK" monster to speak at a college a few months back.

I suspect he was trotted out by ‘southern poverty law center’ types to ‘prove’ how horrible the vast right wing conspiracy was. I also suspect some in the FBI were in on it.

The professor who had this man out to speak to his class should be questioned - it's unlikely they traveled in the same circles.

16 posted on 04/20/2014 10:48:33 AM PDT by GOPJ (MSNBC reporters couldn't spot a criminal if he was at the company Christmas party.)
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To: SJackson

the rabbi’s reaction leads me to believe ranting calls like this are a dime a dozen

people are so folking dumb

but I grew up in Kansas City

we have a vibrant and lovely Jewish community

we all get along

many of us Christian kids grew up swimming at the fantastic pools at the Jewish Community Center

I got my senior lifesaving badge at Jewish Day Camp


17 posted on 04/20/2014 10:48:56 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SJackson

Nor I have I seen here any mention of the arrest in the “freeway shootings” also in the KC area:

The arrestee? Mohammed Whitaker


18 posted on 04/20/2014 11:09:02 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey 2008, we told you so)
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To: yldstrk

It seems likely that he intended to shoot Jews and made a mistake. I’m sure we all agree that a violent loon like this is not clear headed enough to think through a lot of what he’s going to do.


19 posted on 04/20/2014 11:09:23 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: yldstrk
the rabbi’s reaction leads me to believe ranting calls like this are a dime a dozen

Probably. I can't fault him for not reporting it. You can find pretty much the same stuff all over the internet. As the head of an organization, couldn't fault him for reporting it.

20 posted on 04/20/2014 11:12:08 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

It’s been reported, but Mohammed Pedro Whitaker, somewhat dark skinned in the photos, you’ve got double, possible triple minority issues for the media. The motivation should be the issue, not his race or religion, and his motivation hasn’t been reported. He might have been communicating with his dog on the moon. Could have been targeting infidels or whites. With nothing apparent, I doubt there’ll be much digging. Regardless, a prominent klucker with a felony record, FBI informant, that is news. White supremacist makes good headlines. All that’s missing is the connection to the GOP, however remote.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 11:20:06 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: SJackson

The KKK guy Glenn Miller had been in the witness protection program for ratting out some other hate mongers. There’s a good chance that the FBI and SPLC had ties to this guy and weren’t aware of his recent activities.


22 posted on 04/20/2014 1:57:25 PM PDT by batterycommander (We will be the most powerful men in the Army because we will be Majors getting ready to retire.)
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To: SJackson

True, but you don’t find it a bit curious as to what the motive might be? The MSM Revs Al Jesse et al don’t seem to have much patience before speculating “motives” if you know what I mean


23 posted on 04/20/2014 3:28:45 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey 2008, we told you so)
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To: SJackson

Holder said at the memorial service “alledged hate crime”. I heard it in person Thursday morning at the JCC.


24 posted on 04/20/2014 4:20:57 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: yldstrk

That call was to a organization in NY not Kansas City.


25 posted on 04/20/2014 4:25:08 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Highway shooter made the following comments as reported by KCTV on April 17: Whitaker was arrested and taken to police headquarters for questioning. He waived his Miranda rights and claimed to know very little about the highway shooter, saying he thought it was connected to the three people killed Sunday by the man targeting Jewish people.

While being questioned Whitaker then changed his story and said he was a victim of the highway shooter.


26 posted on 04/20/2014 4:36:24 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: ncfool

And his mom n dad were telling the press what a “good kid” he was


27 posted on 04/20/2014 6:48:34 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey 2008, we told you so)
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