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An Armed Standoff in Nevada Is Only the Beginning for America’s Right-Wing Militias (Barf thou wilt)
Vice News ^ | April 17, 2014 | Grace Wyler

Posted on 04/20/2014 2:42:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

For two decades the US government has tried to get Cliven Bundy to remove his cows from federal land, and for two decades the Nevada rancher has steadfastly refused, defying court orders and attempts to negotiate a settlement for the $1.1 million he owes in federal grazing fees.

Finally, last week, the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) took matters into its own hands and started seizing cattle that had been illegally grazing on government property. Things went downhill from there.

What began as an arcane land dispute rapidly escalated into an armed standoff in the desert. A ragtag band of anti-government militants, Tea Party politicians, and Old West ranchers descended on the area, responding to a call to arms posted by the Bundy family on their blog and circulated throughout the internet by conservatives and libertarians.

Spurred on by YouTube videos of physical altercations between federal agents and the Bundys, the protesters aggressively confronted law enforcement, which in turn escalated things by gathering a huge force of armed BLM rangers and FBI agents.

On Friday, the Federal Aviation Administration placed a month-long flight restriction over the ranch after the Bundy family posted aerial photos of the assembled authorities.

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

For right-wing militias and paramilitary groups founded around a collective paranoid belief that the federal government is just looking for an excuse to impose martial law, images of armed federal agents forcibly seizing cows basically means it's DEFCON 1.

By Saturday, as many as 1,000 anti-BLM protestors from as far away as Virginia, New Hampshire, and Georgia had set up camp in Bunkerville, an arid patch of land where the BLM was rounding up the Bundy cattle.

Packing handguns and assault rifles, the protesters carried signs featuring slogans like “Tyranny Is Alive,” “Where's the Justice?” and “Militia Sighn In [sic]," and many said they were prepared for a shoot-out with the federal government. The mood was such that even Glenn Beck was wary of the crowd, announcing on his show that “there's about 10 or 15 percent of the people who are talking about this online that are truly frightening."

“We were prepared to do whatever it takes to protect their cattle, and their ranch, and their home,” said protester Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff who is on the board of Oath Keepers, a militia founded by a former Ron Paul aide and made up mostly of current and former US military personnel and law enforcement. “The government was prepared to do anything, including shooting at unarmed people." (On Monday Mack told Fox News that organizers had been “strategizing to put all the women up front” in a firefight so that the image of the BLM shooting women would be televised.)

The government blinked first, announcing Saturday afternoon that it would stop seizing Bundy’s cattle because of "grave concern about the safety of our employees and members of the public." A few hours later, protesters stormed the BLM's corrals, demanding that the bureau release the 400 cows it had already captured.

"Everyone was up there trying to get the cattle back and the BLM and all of the agents kept yelling, 'Step closer and we'll shoot!' Everybody had their hands up, and we just kept moving forward," said protester Kevin Gillman, a 24-year-old military veteran who volunteered with the state militia coalition Operation Mutual Aid at Bundy Ranch. "They ended up releasing the cattle, because it was either that or shoot us."

The government described the situation slightly differently. “Due to escalating tensions, the cattle have been released from the enclosures in order to avoid violence and help restore order," BLM Director Neil Kornze said in a statement.

Bundy’s allies have cautiously declared victory, although most of the protesters I spoke to remain predictably suspicious that the stand-down was just another government “ruse” to lure them into complacency. "We don't want to be taken by surprise by another onslaught, so we're still being careful," Mack said. He estimated that about a third of the protesters had remained at Bundy Ranch this week to provide "security."

Emboldened by the strong showing in Nevada, right-wing militia organizers are now looking to capitalize on the momentum, hosting marathon conference calls in which hundreds of militia volunteers strategize and coordinate their next big move.

"There have been more organizations putting out the word about what's going on, how the [federal government] is taking away our freedoms and liberties," said Gillman, who is one of roughly 400 new volunteers to join Operation Mutual Aid in recent days. Gillman added that he hadn't known much about the militia movement before last week.

"Most of them are just citizens who want to go out and help the cause of other Americans in need who don't have backup," he said of his right-wing comrades. "I wouldn't necessarily say it's a militia, but we did bring our guns out there, because the federal agents went out there with their sniper rifles and their guns. We're just going to be prepared for whatever [the government] wants to do. It's hard to talk to someone who has a gun unless you have one yourself."

Meanwhile, the tenuous stalemate has basically put the BLM right back where it started. In a statement I was given on Tuesday, the agency insisted that it had not cut a deal with Bundy and that it would still try to force the rancher into compliance through administrative and legal channels. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, also weighed in on the conflict this week, telling Reno’s NBC affiliate KRNV that the conflict isn't finished.

“We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it,” Reid said. “So it’s not over.”

Legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. His disagreement with the federal government dates back to 1993, when he stopped paying federal grazing fees in response to new regulations aimed at protecting the desert tortoise habitat in Golden Butte, a federally owned 600,000-acre swath of land northeast of Las Vegas where Bundy’s family has been raising cattle since his Mormon ancestors settled there, in the late 1800s. In response, the BLM revoked Bundy’s permit and sued him twice in federal court. Both times, a judge ordered Bundy to get his cows off public land or face fines of $200 per head for each day that he refused to comply. The government now claims that Bundy owes $1.1 million in fines and grazing fees. (The right-wing website Breitbart has compiled all of the court orders — and provided a lengthy analysis — here.)

In response, Bundy has argued that the federal government doesn’t actually own the land in question, and thus doesn’t have the right to tell him what to do with his cows. The land, he says, actually belongs to the state of Nevada — a claim that is very obviously untrue.

“I think this is the sovereign state of Nevada,” Bundy told conservative talk-radio host Dana Loesch Thursday. “I abide by all Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing.”

Bundy’s larger point — that the feds shouldn’t own 80 percent of the land in Nevada, or nearly 50 percent of land in 11 Western states— demonstrates the long-running tension over state’s rights and federal land-use policies that invariably pick winners and losers among environmental and business interests. Even if Bundy wanted to pay the government fines, he would still be forced to remove his cows from Butte Gold thanks to a 1998 conservation deal that eliminated grazing in the area in exchange for allowing the county to destroy desert tortoise habitats for private development. Bundy is now the sole surviving cattle rancher in Clark County.

At the same time, environmentalists have criticized the BLM for not dealing with the Bundys' trespass cattle sooner, and they were outraged this week when the agency called off the roundup. “The BLM monumentally failed to remove the trespass cattle, collect fees, or protect the land for more than 20 years,” Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist at the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement. “Now it backed down in the face of threats and posturing of armed so-called ‘sovereignists.’ This is absolutely pathetic and an insult to ranchers and others who hold permits and pay their required fees to use the public lands.”

For most of the Bundys' far-right allies, though, the showdown in Nevada wasn’t as much about the rancher and his land as it was a flashpoint in their growing beef with the federal government.

"Progressively, the federal government is just getting stronger," Gillman said. "I don't understand why they need to go out there with 200 federal agents and set up sniper positions. I don't see the need for the federal government to take up guns against its own people.

"We're willing to go as far as they are willing to go," he added. "We're not here for violence... But if they're coming in, guns blaring, to hurt citizens, then we're just going to defend ourselves. We're not going to go out and attack or anything. When someone goes in and takes away your freedoms, the only thing you can do is stand up against them. If you don't stand up against them, how far will they go?"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bunkerville; militia; nevada

1 posted on 04/20/2014 2:42:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s gotta start somewhere.

Moses said “ Let my cattle go!”


2 posted on 04/20/2014 2:47:58 PM PDT by damncat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You know, Grace is right. The government should just kill him and his family, since they're in the way of Harry Reid's future fortune.

After all, we're all just property of the government, and once we've outlived our use to the government, it's time for us to be "retired, right Grace?

Mark

3 posted on 04/20/2014 2:48:29 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“A ragtag band of anti-government militants...”

I call BS on this one. These folks are NOT anti-government. They ARE anti-criminal-government.
They ARE anti-over-reaching-government.
They ARE anti-senseless-bureaucracy.
They ARE anti-intrusive-government.

Get things back within the confines of the Constitution, and these folks will be content to busy themselves with things other than facing down a government invasion of a single rancher who (fedgov believes) owes a debt to the gubmint.


4 posted on 04/20/2014 2:49:31 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There were trouble with the Tories in the first revolution. There people are no different from them and should be treated the same as the old Tories were


5 posted on 04/20/2014 2:50:27 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: MarkL

Speaking of Reid. I noticed he is not calling for hearings.
What is Reid hiding that he does not want hearings to uncover?


6 posted on 04/20/2014 2:50:30 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The leviathan that is Fedgov could have easily utilized lot of nasty bureaucratic methods to get their way, they chose SWAT teams.

The “Right-Wing Militias” did not set whatever chain of events (present and future) in motion, a bunch of men with badges, titles, and gear did.


7 posted on 04/20/2014 2:51:19 PM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: damncat
Moses said “ Let my cattle go!”

:o):o):o):o):o):o)
GOOD one!

8 posted on 04/20/2014 2:54:07 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: PubliusMM
Besides, the Declaration of Independence declared it the people’s right to throw off tyrannical governments.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness; That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Next these pro-“government” drones will be treating George Santayana, never mind the Founding Fathers, like Unpersons.
9 posted on 04/20/2014 2:54:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: PubliusMM
“A ragtag band of anti-government militants...”

It sounds like the opening line from BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.
I can guess the ages of those in charge...MY age. Lol.

10 posted on 04/20/2014 2:57:05 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: tennmountainman
Speaking of Reid. I noticed he is not calling for hearings. What is Reid hiding that he does not want hearings to uncover?

Reid owns several of the parcels surrounding the Bundy ranch, through an LLC.

11 posted on 04/20/2014 2:59:37 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Funny they never mention the Hutaree when they rant about the dangerous right wing militias.

All were acquitted and the leader nominated and elected Constable of his home town.


12 posted on 04/20/2014 3:02:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Enough people are on there skewering the article. There are a few liberal drones on there with hollow defenses (the usual “Bundy broke the law” sans specifics), but they look like fools in the face of it all.


13 posted on 04/20/2014 3:12:28 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Grace,....that’s a good thing.


14 posted on 04/20/2014 3:13:02 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: tennmountainman

Speaking of Reid. I noticed he is not calling for hearings.
What is Reid hiding that he does not want hearings to uncover?

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I think he is vulnerable on this, at least at this moment. The whole thing was shut down almost immediately after The Reids names came up in this matter. Yes, the Bundys’ support from all over America was a factor, but the *utter* abandonment of this intended massacre when Reid’s name came to light is telling.


15 posted on 04/20/2014 3:13:51 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Black Panthers go about armed, it is nothing but cool.


16 posted on 04/20/2014 3:14:40 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Psalm 144

Reid is not denying anything, either.


17 posted on 04/20/2014 3:15:27 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Methinks Grace is vying for a seat in the CPUSA.


18 posted on 04/20/2014 3:17:51 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it,” Reid said. “So it’s not over.”

Apparently, Reid is oblivious to 95% of what Obama has done in the past five years (and before). Between violating the law, refusing to enforce the law as written, unilaterally rewriting the law, and trampling the Constitution, there is a whole lot for Reid to look into with Obama before he worries about grazing fees (if we're willing to pretend that Reid actually cares about the rule of law).

19 posted on 04/20/2014 3:19:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: PubliusMM

Right on, Brother.

No… we won’t be generals or commanders, or even high powered staffers. We will likely still be Majors, passed over twice, sitting in dimly-lit offices in the basement of the pentagon, with longer than regulation haircuts, rumpled uniforms, unkempt mustaches and a bottle of scotch in the bottom right-hand drawer of our desks. We will be the most powerful men in the Army because we will be Majors getting ready to retire with nothing to lose by telling you exactly what we think, consequences be damned…We will be the most dangerous men in the Army.


20 posted on 04/20/2014 3:21:05 PM PDT by batterycommander
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To: Psalm 144

The Feds have to arrest the protesters or this will spread. Reid knows this just as Janet Reno understood back in the Clinton years. Justice has nothing to do with it, this is about power. Don’t turn your back on these Aholes.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 3:26:33 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: MarkL
After all, we're all just property of the government, and once we've outlived our use to the government, it's time for us to be "retired, right Grace?

Since Grace is not useful to the Patriot movement, a case could be made for her "retirement" as well!

22 posted on 04/20/2014 3:31:02 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimSEA

I agree with you. The kleptocrats that animate the Washington regime have put themselves in a situation where they lose either way. Let is go, which signals weakness and invites more defiance, or double down to prove their supremacy and autocracy, which will further temper and harden hatred against them. Geniuses. They could have skimmed forever, but they want to plunder it all right now.


23 posted on 04/20/2014 3:31:53 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: JimSEA
The Feds have to arrest the protesters or this will spread.

No, the Feds have to kill them. Other than that, the rest of your analysis applies. They have to be dealt with violently and ruthlessly. which is just down the FBI's alley. Every FBI Agent has homicidal tendencies and they enjoy murdering unarmed and helpless women and children to the point of sexual orgasm. And the thrill they get from burning children alive surpasses the thrill of virginal sex.

24 posted on 04/20/2014 3:35:25 PM PDT by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For two decades, the BLM and rancher Bundy have been in court.

The government is trying to collect over $1 million in fines accumulated during the period that Bundy’s claim of legal rights have been before the courts.

There, I think that fixes up the introduction.


25 posted on 04/20/2014 4:08:45 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Everyone was up there trying to get the cattle back and the BLM and all of the agents kept yelling, 'Step closer and we'll shoot!' Everybody had their hands up, and we just kept moving forward....They ended up releasing the cattle, because it was either that or shoot us."

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON D.C. Have a March on Washington so big that we storm the Capitol Building with our hands up and force the Fed's jack-booted thugs, to shoot or shut up. Storm the place, over running the Senate Chamber, the House of Representatives and tell the Harry Reids, Nancy Pelosis, Mitch McConnells and John Boehners of the Federal Government, that we are mad as hell and we're not taking it anymore. Scare the crap out of them.
26 posted on 04/20/2014 4:49:03 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker; All
"Everyone was up there trying to get the cattle back and the BLM and all of the agents kept yelling, 'Step closer and we'll shoot!' Everybody had their hands up, and we just kept moving forward....They ended up releasing the cattle, because it was either that or shoot us."

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON D.C. Have a March on Washington so big that we storm the Capitol Building with our hands up and force the Fed's jack-booted thugs, to shoot or shut up. Storm the place, over running the Senate Chamber, the House of Representatives and tell the Harry Reids, Nancy Pelosis, Mitch McConnells and John Boehners of the Federal Government, that we are mad as hell and we're not taking it anymore. Scare the crap out of them.
27 posted on 04/20/2014 4:52:12 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Din Maker; All
"Everyone was up there trying to get the cattle back and the BLM and all of the agents kept yelling, 'Step closer and we'll shoot!' Everybody had their hands up, and we just kept moving forward....They ended up releasing the cattle, because it was either that or shoot us."

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON D.C. Have a March on Washington so big that we storm the Capitol Building with our hands up and force the Fed's jack-booted thugs, to shoot or shut up. Storm the place, over running the Senate Chamber, the House of Representatives and tell the Harry Reids, Nancy Pelosis, Mitch McConnells and John Boehners of the Federal Government, that we are mad as hell and we're not taking it anymore. Scare the crap out of them.
28 posted on 04/20/2014 4:52:12 PM PDT by Din Maker (Rand Paul, Rick Perry endorsed McConnell over Bevin. Neither will ever get my vote in 2016.)
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To: Olog-hai
..., it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, ...

The dems think this Reids: "..., it is the Right of Obama to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, ..."

That's what Obama has been doing with his selective enforcement and rewrites of the laws.

29 posted on 04/20/2014 5:09:01 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This doesn’t include all of the gang bangers in the cities I suppose.


30 posted on 04/20/2014 5:12:11 PM PDT by jetson
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To: JimRed

Memo to Grace: To the best of anyone’s knowledge there were no fibbies at the standoff. Also no militia from GA as far as I know. But they just gotta get the word Georgia in there so as to make it look like a a bunch of redneck confederates were there.

Expect an all out smear attack on militias from the state run media from now on. Obumbles has sent out the word. This has been SOP since the 70’s. They like to get Mr. and Mrs. America prepared so when they go in and slaughter a bunch of people well they were anti government kooks.


31 posted on 04/20/2014 5:15:11 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Din Maker

Yes, three times. ;-)


32 posted on 04/20/2014 5:16:40 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
April 19, 1993 - Fed's Slaughter 76 Citizens in Waco

Anniversary Yesterday - 21 years ago.

This is what people like this author want to see under democrat presidents:

Federal alphabet agencies backed by the US Army and the National Guard killing civilians over a civil matter.

The US Government murdered more children at Waco, Texas than were killed at Sandy Hook.

The BATF and FBI backed by the US Army killed 22 children at Waco by shooting them and burning them to death.

Where is the outrage?


33 posted on 04/20/2014 5:29:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: damncat
"It’s gotta start somewhere."

And then the fighting is going to be everywhere!

If any of my kin worked for the government I would be helping them to find another job. Unless of course I was their beneficiary and needed some tax free cash.

34 posted on 04/20/2014 5:48:02 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: Iron Munro

IIRC, the tank photo is a “Photoshop” job. Appreciate the point being made, but let’s stick with unedited reality when available. There’s a good image of a tank smashing a building; no need to fake a column of them.


35 posted on 04/20/2014 5:52:30 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: ctdonath2
IIRC, the tank photo is a “Photoshop” job.

You are mistaken.

Are you saying you believe that Army tanks were not used at the Waco massacre?

Do you believe videos of tanks in use at the Waco attack were also photoshopped?

Watch this one at 3:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsDBAixXJdM

Watch this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KpQxS1KA5k

There are too many eyewitness accounts, photographs and videos of the Army tanks actively participating in the slaughter for anyone to deny that they were used.


36 posted on 04/20/2014 6:21:43 PM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: ctdonath2
IIRC, the tank photo is a “Photoshop” job. Appreciate the point being made, but let’s stick with unedited reality when available. There’s a good image of a tank smashing a building; no need to fake a column of them.

This one must be another photoshop.....


37 posted on 04/20/2014 6:27:53 PM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you put a sniper on someone, you’re not looking to arrest them.


38 posted on 04/20/2014 6:29:01 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Darren McCarty

Their snipers should beware.
Former snipers might be out there.
Who are really pissed off.
And better trained.
And don’t give a damn.

just saying.


39 posted on 04/20/2014 6:35:11 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: Din Maker
Scare the crap out of them.

Nonsense. A march on Washington, completely disarmed, scared NOBODY in the federal apparatus. Nobody.

The armed confrontation, on the contrary, scared President Valerie Jarrett Obama so much that the BLM goons were called off.

This article is just the media projecting their cowardice on the BLM agents, and trying to goad them into re-engaging. The commie-libs want our blood, but are too cowardly to do it themselves.

40 posted on 04/20/2014 6:45:26 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...the protesters aggressively confronted law enforcement, which in turn escalated things by gathering a huge force of armed BLM rangers and FBI agents.

That's weird. The Wikipedia page on the "Bundy standoff" doesn't say ANYTHING about "a huge force of armed BLM rangers and FBI agents".

When they finally got "mentioned" late in the article, the BLM agents (no FBI agents!) were "heavily equipped", but the article didn't say what they "equipped" with. JellyBellies? Snickers bars? We'll never know...

41 posted on 04/20/2014 8:19:10 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Glenn Beck was wary of the crowd, announcing on his show that “there's about 10 or 15 percent of the people who are talking about this online that are truly frightening."

Oh, Good God.

If I had a buck for every time I've heard Glenn Beck say "truly frightening", I could have retired by now.

42 posted on 04/20/2014 8:22:07 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Iron Munro

Read my post again. I said _that_photo_ was faked. I didn’t say tanks weren’t used. Don’t use faked photos when real ones will do.


43 posted on 04/21/2014 3:46:35 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun” - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

” And then the fighting is going to be everywhere!”

I hope not. ,skirmishes will end in vain. Good people will die in vain.

Martyrdom is not the answer we need to restore our rights.

For the time being, surviving should be everyone’s goal.

The tide will turn eventually.

How’s that for cliche of the day?

;)


44 posted on 04/21/2014 4:53:03 AM PDT by damncat
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To: damncat

If there were a normal human in the oval office you would be right, unfortunately what we have is a man who wants to destroy the Republic. Knowing this we, in Maine, came to the conclusion that our seceding would not result in anything but noise coming out of Washington, for our seceding, while making Maine a free and independent Christian nation, would cause obama no concern, for it doesn’t care how the Republic is destroyed, only that it is destroyed.

obama wants civil war, he wants to kill as many patriots and Christians as it and it’s followers can, leaving only a dependent lower class of serfs and slaves to serve it and it’s elites.

If the militias go head to head with the military and obama’s civilian police forces, it will be a bloody mess, but if the Militias are smart enough to go after the head(s) of the snake, it may be a different story.

If the civil war starts before our secession vote on June 12, 2018, we are with you, but if after we secede, we cannot be with you, see the Militia clause of the Constitution that takes effect the microsecond we hit 50% plus one vote at MaineTV.net


45 posted on 04/21/2014 5:37:35 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

My Friend, our military are our family, friends, and neighbors .

I hope it doesn’t come to bloodshed of any kind. Voting them out is the path to restoring the country.


46 posted on 04/22/2014 5:55:54 AM PDT by damncat
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"I hope it doesn’t come to bloodshed of any kind. "

That, my friend is in the hands of the g0vt.

47 posted on 04/22/2014 6:11:00 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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