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Navy OKs changes for submariners' sleep schedules
Yahoo/AP ^ | 4-20-14 | MICHAEL MELIA

Posted on 04/20/2014 6:59:06 PM PDT by kingattax

GROTON, Conn. (AP) — With no sunlight to set day apart from night on a submarine, the U.S. Navy for decades has staggered sailors' working hours on schedules with little resemblance to life above the ocean's surface.

Research by a Navy laboratory in Groton is now leading to changes for the undersea fleet. Military scientists concluded submarine sailors, who traditionally begin a new workday every 18 hours, show less fatigue on a 24-hour schedule, and the Navy has endorsed the findings for any skippers who want to make the switch.

The first submarine to try the new schedule on a full deployment was the USS Scranton, led by Cmdr. Seth Burton, a cancer survivor. He said the illness he experienced as a junior officer helped convince him of the health benefits of keeping a sleep pattern in line with the body's natural rhythm.

"I know that there's lots of medical side effects to just not having a good, regular sleep pattern," said Burton, 41, of Huntsville, Ala.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fatigue; navy; sleep; submarines

1 posted on 04/20/2014 6:59:06 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

On starships they have artificial light in different sections that are synchronized to duodenal cycles to assure continuous coverage and crew morale (except deck officers who never sleep unless they are to be mentally invaded).

The pre-letter Enterprise didn’t even have holo-decks so the submariners should have done this long ago.


2 posted on 04/20/2014 7:06:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003
We used to run some truly odd schedules at sea.

You have to do SOMETHING to break the monotony.

Bug juice instead of coffee...something. Omelet instead of over easy...

3 posted on 04/20/2014 7:10:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: kingattax; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


4 posted on 04/20/2014 7:14:17 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: kingattax

It may be a bit difficult but there’s some support for a 4 phase cycle. Wake early, sleep early, wake late, sleep late, etc.

Essentially folks have pretty restful sleep by having a long period of wakefulness followed by a short sleep followed by a short wakefulness and then another short sleep. It supposedly keeps the mind more alert upon waking and accomplishes the same level of relaxation. I heard it was more popular in the pre-industrial era when artificial lighting was introduce that allowed people to stay up past 8 or 9 PM.

It’s hard to sync to with the modern era which has folks waking post-dawn only to stay up till near midnight.


5 posted on 04/20/2014 7:16:52 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Mariner
You have to do SOMETHING to break the monotony.

run a "Crazy Ivan" scenario at random intervals.

6 posted on 04/20/2014 7:19:59 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: kingattax

I’m retired, I sleeps when I want to.


7 posted on 04/20/2014 7:20:32 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 1 Cor. 13:36)
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To: freedumb2003

You must have meant “diurnal” cycles, I bet. “Duodenal” would refer to a segment of intestine.


8 posted on 04/20/2014 7:22:50 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: kingattax

Can’t comment on Navy subs but I did a lot of shift work in the hospital where I worked.Horrible.horrible experience for me.In addition I’ve read that there’s (recent) medical research that shows that shift workers tend to develop serious psych problems and enjoy shorter lifespans.As much as they can (in ways consistent with mission readiness) the Navy should carefully review these studies.


9 posted on 04/20/2014 7:28:15 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Mariner

One of my coworkers was an OS and he said they were working 6 on 6 off. What kind of idiot would approve a schedule like that.


10 posted on 04/20/2014 7:33:22 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit; TADSLOS
"One of my coworkers was an OS and he said they were working 6 on 6 off. What kind of idiot would approve a schedule like that."

"Port and Starboard" comes in several flavors:)

8 and 8, 6 and 6, 12 and 12.

One cruise we spent 102 days at sea in the IO and went through all of them.

Great days.

11 posted on 04/20/2014 7:39:27 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Now they have females, that should give them something to do.


12 posted on 04/20/2014 7:45:46 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: kingattax

They hate it. Longer workday, longer study day. They see it as a way the Navy is gypping them out of a meal every day.

Yet another way Obastard screws them. He just can’t get enough of pissing off the guys working in the field.


13 posted on 04/20/2014 7:46:47 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Mariner
"12 and 12."

That would work for me if I were aboard a ship and had no commute time. I'd get a couple of hours off and sleep till rested.

14 posted on 04/20/2014 7:49:37 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kingattax

Why are dog watches so called?

Because they are curtailed.

In the Age of Sail, watches tended to be 4 hours, with the crew broken down into either two or three watches excepting certain of the ship’s company called idlers who kept a normal schedule. Dog watches of two hours were used to shift the watch changes by two hours per day so that over time the crew duties were balanced.


15 posted on 04/20/2014 7:49:44 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: kingattax

And here I though the sleep schedules had something to do with subs going co-ed.


16 posted on 04/20/2014 7:49:48 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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To: centurion316
Thanks, Centurion - did not know that.



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17 posted on 04/20/2014 7:53:14 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: kingattax

18 posted on 04/20/2014 7:59:56 PM PDT by shineon
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To: USNBandit

When I was on subs we worked a 24 hour shift.

6 on, 6 off, 6 on, 6 off


19 posted on 04/20/2014 8:01:04 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: freedumb2003

When do the girls sleep? Where do the girls sleep? What a joke.


20 posted on 04/20/2014 8:03:37 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: shineon

Looks like he got over Sue Storm.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 8:04:19 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG

I wonder if he showed up at the wedding?


22 posted on 04/20/2014 8:09:07 PM PDT by shineon
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To: kingattax

Apparently this will be at the command’s discretion...not a mandatory policy. I wonder how this will work for four section watches....8 on 24 off? I could go for that.


23 posted on 04/20/2014 8:09:35 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Mariner

How many times did we watch the same detective movie over and over again. How crazy was it to look forward to Mid-Rats.

I agree that the whole 18 hour day was stupid and confusing. I thought they did it to make the whole patrol a blur that you wouldn’t remember anything when you got in. I hated it.

Patrick Henry SSBN 599G


24 posted on 04/20/2014 8:11:34 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: centurion316

Patrick O’Bryan fan?


25 posted on 04/20/2014 8:11:51 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: shineon

I only have vol. 1 of the Marvel Masterworks reprint of the FF (Issues 1-10), so I don’t know. Back in the day I was a Spidey and Daredevil fan.


26 posted on 04/20/2014 8:17:18 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: JAKraig

I think the 18 hour day was just a basic fact of 3 section watches. I can’t imagine an 8 hour watch with no head call...I wonder how they handle that.


27 posted on 04/20/2014 8:20:48 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: Paladin2
"12 and 12."

The preferred shift, by far.

Still, after a couple of months of working EVERY DAY doing the same sh!t, mixed in with occasional drills, you get bored.

No lettuce and no beer wears on a man after a while.

Not to mention the absence of the comforts only women can provide.

28 posted on 04/20/2014 8:35:23 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: JAKraig
"How crazy was it to look forward to Mid-Rats."

Or Horse C)ck sandwiches with American cheese.

At least I was surface fleet and got an occasional fresh veggie with my steak and lobster on Friday night.

29 posted on 04/20/2014 8:38:24 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

My daily shift is approx. 10 am to 10 pm these days.


30 posted on 04/20/2014 8:38:41 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Mariner
" steak and lobster on Friday night. "

Funny you should mention that. ONLY the US Navy could make a prime New York steak taste like a boot and lobster taste like diesel lol

And I do mean ONLY the Navy.

31 posted on 04/20/2014 8:41:12 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: USNBandit

I had guard duty in the army in Germany and it was 2 on 4 off for 31 days straight.I didn’t know who I was at the end of that stint.Not good on morale.


32 posted on 04/20/2014 9:28:06 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: johniegrad

Don’t know about others but at 73 my sleep cycle is Tri-Urinal.


33 posted on 04/20/2014 10:01:01 PM PDT by DonnerT (After all is said and done, it is God's Will that will be done.)
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To: kingattax

18 hour days were tough. There was nothing worse on my 67 day runs under water than to go to bed and wake up on the same day.

6 hours on watch, 6 hours or so “down time” and 6 hours or so sleep. Wake up and go back on watch

This happened every 3 days and made time go by a LOT slower.

But it was better than the Port & Starboard watch which was 8 hours on and 8 hours off continuous.


34 posted on 04/20/2014 10:06:18 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: JAKraig

Bancroft SSBN 643 Charleston/Rota
Grenadier SS 525 Key West


35 posted on 04/20/2014 10:13:52 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: TexasGator

Bancroft SSBN 643 Charleston/Rota
Grenadier SS 525 Key West


36 posted on 04/20/2014 10:15:21 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: JAKraig

Bancroft SSBN 643 Charleston/Rota
Grenadier SS 525 Key West


37 posted on 04/20/2014 10:16:22 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Say Again?


38 posted on 04/20/2014 10:21:09 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Say Again?


39 posted on 04/20/2014 10:21:10 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Say Again?


40 posted on 04/20/2014 10:21:10 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Bancroft SSBN 643 Charleston/Rota
Grenadier SS 525 Key West


Of all my duty stations, and all my deployments.

Key West was the only duty where I cried when I left.


41 posted on 04/21/2014 3:51:55 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: centurion316

dogged watches are still used in the Navy. Topsiders normally dog the watch daily. This keeps the four hour watches rotating so the same men do not always have the midwatch. It also gets the 1st dog watch (16:00-18:00) off watch for the evening meal. 2nd dog watch eats before going on watch at 18:00. Snipes used to dog the watch once a week, generally on Friday if I remember correctly. For the evening meal, one of the off watch sections would come down an take the watch for half an hour or so, allowing the on watch section to grab chow and then back to the hole.


42 posted on 04/21/2014 3:53:03 AM PDT by X Fretensis
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To: kingattax

I worked pretty much the whole variety of watch patterns on the boat, mainly due to manpower issues. I much preferred the 6 on 12 off, 18 hour day. I credit those years of rotating sleep patterns for my ability to adapt quickly to sleep interruptions in my present day civillian life. i.e. when colicky babies didn’t understand that daddy worked second shift...


43 posted on 04/21/2014 3:59:58 AM PDT by SteelCurtain_SSN720 (If you pass the rabid child, say "hammer down" for me)
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To: johniegrad

>>You must have meant “diurnal” cycles, I bet. “Duodenal” would refer to a segment of intestine.<<

Dang spel-chek

Thanks


44 posted on 04/21/2014 4:47:23 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: maine yankee

Beautiful place, especially for an 18-19 year old guy.


45 posted on 04/21/2014 7:41:13 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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