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Oklahoma militia gears up to fight with feds
KFOR-TV ^ | April 20, 2014 | Andrew Donley

Posted on 04/21/2014 12:43:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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OKLAHOMA - A dispute over land in Nevada between rancher Cliven Bundy and the Federal Government began decades ago.

Bundy says his family’s cattle have grazed on the land without interference since 1870.

The Bureau of Land Management says Bundy hadn’t paid his grazing fees since 1993, owing the government more than 1 million dollars.

The B.L.M. says Bundy was allowing his cattle to graze illegally, which triggered a forced round-up of about 400 of Bundy’s cattle just last week. The cows were later released.

Organizers with the Oklahoma Militia say they have members in Nevada who say Bundy’s cattle were unlawfully rounded up by the B.L.M.

Militia member Scott Shaw comments on the round-up “evidently in America we don’t actually own the property anymore, if you ever did.”

The round-up sparked an armed standoff, but it wasn’t the Bundy family who owns the cattle, it was militia members from across the nation going up against the B.L.M.

Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe weighed in on the matter “You’ve got a bunch of people there trying to take the law into their own hands and they shouldn’t be doing that and the bureau of land management is not government-owned, its publicly owned, there’s a big difference there. I blame both sides.”

Here in Oklahoma, militia members say they have nearly 50,000 volunteers. Members say they are taking Bundy’s side and fear this governmental practice could spread to the Sooner State.

Scott Shaw says with all of the recent constitutional infringements by the Federal Government, the Oklahoma volunteer militia is ready to take up arms if needed. “It’s up to the feds, the balls in their court! You can do this legally or if you want to try to do a land grab violently, you can do that, were going to resist you!”

Shaw says they haven’t had to defend Oklahoma from the Feds yet, but says its beginning to become a concern.

“Just look around the country they are doing it everywhere. If they can do it in Nevada, they can do it in Colorado, Texas. I mean what’s to stop them from coming to Oklahoma? The only thing to stop them is we the people.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Nevada; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; blm; bundy; bunkerville; govtabuse; nevada; oklahoma; texas; tyranny
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1 posted on 04/21/2014 12:43:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The only thing to stop them is we the people.”

He is correct. Congress sure as hell isn’t doing anything.


2 posted on 04/21/2014 12:58:49 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

3 posted on 04/21/2014 1:07:01 AM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama needs Marshall Law before the November election date when the democrats get snuffed.

It’s no accident Harry Reid started this.


4 posted on 04/21/2014 1:21:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Explain please about the Reid comment.


5 posted on 04/21/2014 1:40:13 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: jospehm20

Since congress won’t do anything, it is up to the people.

We’ll have a better outcome if we send our agents, the states, to calmly sit down together in an amendment convention work out a plan to restore our freedoms.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 1:41:20 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Are we a free republic if our freedom depends on who sits in the Oval Office?)
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To: MarMema; Berlin_Freeper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3146700/posts

Some speculate that Reid is behind the long-term running off of the ranchers to build up his own holdings. See above thread regarding property owned near the Bundy ranch held by Reid Bunkerville LLC.

And/or Reid’s inflammatory statement calling the Bundy’s and their supporters “Domestic Terrorists”.


7 posted on 04/21/2014 1:50:46 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: MarMema
Harry Reid connected to Bundy cattle ranch, according to purged documents
8 posted on 04/21/2014 1:54:58 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 21twelve

Reid’s personal and political gain.

Two birds, one stone.


9 posted on 04/21/2014 1:57:15 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I blame both sides.” --Senator Jim Inhofe

Very courageous, Senator. /s

10 posted on 04/21/2014 2:16:10 AM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

brave men

I support Bundy too:I wish i had the time to join them ,


11 posted on 04/21/2014 2:27:44 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Jacquerie

I agree. It needs to happen soon. It is encouraging that several of the western states are meeting to resolve the insane federal land ownership situation there.


12 posted on 04/21/2014 2:38:22 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Ken H

I caught that too.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 2:39:57 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Obama needs Marshall Law before the November election date when the democrats get snuffed.

It’s no accident Harry Reid started this.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Agreed, in spades.


14 posted on 04/21/2014 2:50:07 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
:-)

15 posted on 04/21/2014 2:52:19 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. Cattlegate..0'Caligula / 0'Reid? ;-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

and the bureau of land management is not government-owned, its publicly owned, there’s a big difference there. I blame both sides.” ....Explain that to me,please Why is a ‘publicly owned’ entity collecting millions for a “Goverment” entity?


16 posted on 04/21/2014 3:04:09 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Ken H

Wow, he took a huge political risk with that one.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 3:13:39 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Inhofe is flat out wrong. There is never any justification for the regime to seize private property. Yet we turn a blind eye when it happens (drug dealers, tax delinquents, etc.)because those are “bad guys”. It may be true, but it is NOT the regime’s place to do so before a judge and jury of a man’s peers decide.

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist....”


18 posted on 04/21/2014 3:50:28 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Safetgiver

Cuz the irs can’t count any higher...


19 posted on 04/21/2014 3:55:47 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: mabarker1
While I readily support the militia's across this nation that would resist the land take overs and other atrocities this gubmint has been involved with, I see the gubmints actions as inciting said militias to go forward and begin active resistance, doing so would give odumbo what he seeks. He wants a conflict to start so he can declare Marshal Law. I see it as his ultimate goal and plan, except for the part where he declares himself "King".
20 posted on 04/21/2014 4:14:42 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Totally agree, folks need to tread with caution here. I’ve read some interviews with “militia-men” (FED planted infiltrators) who were hell bent on opening-fire on BLM folks. You play right into their hand with this type of talk/rhetoric.

Organize, fine....be ready....fine. Let them start this. They are begging for some trigger-happy, hot-headed, militia idiot to instigate a fight so they can throw their entire weight down on the people.

All they need is an excuse.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 4:27:51 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The B.L.M. says Bundy was allowing his cattle to graze illegally, which triggered a forced round-up of about 400 of Bundy’s cattle just last week. The cows were later released.”

Bullish!t.. many of them were wantonly slaughtered and dumped into a pit. Effing liars.


22 posted on 04/21/2014 4:34:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA
“The B.L.M. says Bundy was allowing his cattle to graze illegally, which triggered a forced round-up of about 400 of Bundy’s cattle just last week. The cows were later released.”

This is public land that's open range that means it's the governments responsibly to fence the cattle out not the Bundys .

23 posted on 04/21/2014 4:53:50 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People. It’s martial law, not Marshall law.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 5:00:06 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Europeans are determined to start WWIII

Democrats are determined to start Civil War II

The Obama Media is determined to help them both succeed.


25 posted on 04/21/2014 5:01:16 AM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: Progov

I don’t think the BLM expected what happened. Gov’t agencies are probably busy working on their future plans for such encounters, but the Bundy think took them off their game. I say keep it up.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 5:01:46 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Senator Inhofe: “... I blame both sides.”

That is rather short-sighted, Senator. That is true events leading up to the first shot in most wars.

When your colleague and majority leader Reid is calling American citizens “domestic terrorists” just for standing up to an out-of-control government, that only adds gasoline to the flames. Not to mention that Reid and his son have financial interests in the events. Note, Senator, that your colleague makes those incendiary remarks from the well of the Senate, where he is legally protected.

27 posted on 04/21/2014 5:36:13 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Ken H
I know right?? I love Inhofe but he's wrong here. He needs to listen to TW Shannon..


28 posted on 04/21/2014 5:39:30 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: TomGuy
I know right?? I love Inhofe but he's wrong here. He needs to listen to TW Shannon..


29 posted on 04/21/2014 5:40:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Jacquerie

I think getting to where “we” (patriots) want to get (greatl reduced govt footprint) is rather like doing the trim work in a house with a chain saw. Meaning, “it won’t be pretty but the house will, at the end of the day, be trimmed out”.

Bunkerville, like Concord, was opening day.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 5:56:10 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Ken H

Who once said “your either part of the problem or the solution”....


31 posted on 04/21/2014 5:59:48 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Starstruck
Marshall Law:


32 posted on 04/21/2014 6:32:22 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well Inhofe played safe. Blame both sides. Why not just keep quiet like the rest of them?


33 posted on 04/21/2014 6:43:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: piroque

VERY good point!


34 posted on 04/21/2014 7:45:25 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Isn’t that how CW I started? (Ft. Sumter)


35 posted on 04/21/2014 7:54:03 AM PDT by OldMagazine (You can only do what you can do.)
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To: NTHockey; All

Absolutely “right on”. This is not by accident, it is the purpose and intent of the Socialist government and those taking advantage of their positions to benefit their desires, rather than the laws.

God help us, direct our actions and protect thy people, America, and all seeking to love their neighbors, in Jesus name, amen


36 posted on 04/21/2014 8:00:37 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: Starstruck

I know that, I was in military intelligence. LOL


37 posted on 04/21/2014 10:46:45 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: ScottinVA
Another point on open range , anyone can run livestock some states wouldn't let you run horses on the highways ,they had to be kept behind fences,

Also there's an unwritten code between the ranchers that ,each had their own range they could graze on , separated by a creek,stream,road,some other natural boundary .

And I've been on both sides of the open range laws at different times.

38 posted on 04/21/2014 10:58:43 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“People taking the law into their own hands”. Exactly Inhofe, you idiot. Someone has to stand up for liberty if you're not going to do it. The militia should have done nothing, watch Bundy get slaughtered, then cheered Inhofe during the following hearings. We're sick of it Inhofe!
39 posted on 04/21/2014 2:02:31 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: jospehm20

This sounds like treason to me.

If this group were led by a guy named, I dunno, Osama, they would be labeled terrorists hell bent on destroying America


40 posted on 04/21/2014 2:50:23 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: demshateGod

Congress is part of the problem. The politicos have no spine unless their masters pull the strings taught.


41 posted on 04/21/2014 2:55:40 PM PDT by WilliamRobert (Obama so loves the poor he created millions more.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Militia member Scott Shaw comments on the round-up 'evidently in America we don’t actually own the property anymore, if you ever did.'"

The "property" being Bureau of Land Management lands? All of the BLM land (mostly desert or remote) should be sold cheap to private sector individuals only: those with no ties to any level of government or government-derived incomes--individuals wanting to build and produce on those lots with their own hands, no help from laborers, no building regulations and one lot per individual. Let them manufacture some products. Men at work with real families out of the sight of the sensitive elite, problem solved, fewer burdens, economy improved.


42 posted on 04/21/2014 3:31:46 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looks like another fake insurrection operation by politicos with their ill gotten incomes as an excuse to violate the rights of more honest Americans. Be nonpolitical, folks. Give no respect to what is not respectable. Do what is right, learn, do things for yourselves and save. Let the default process runs its course to depose the morally bankrupt.


43 posted on 04/21/2014 3:39:18 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: jospehm20

“He is correct. Congress sure as hell isn’t doing anything.”

It has never been more important to be loud and clear. PICK YOUR FIGHTS! Don’t engage them unless the cause is good, or you will do more harm than good to the cause of liberty.

Make sure your men are organized, and disciplined. Make sure not one of them ever shoots first.


44 posted on 04/21/2014 4:21:54 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Iron Munro
The Obama Media is determined to help them both succeed.

Good, that makes them a target if you ask me.

45 posted on 04/21/2014 4:34:57 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Monorprise
Make sure not one of them ever shoots first.

It won't matter who shoots first, the government thugs will be the innocent parties.

46 posted on 04/21/2014 5:00:30 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I think it is an accident. I think this caught him completely off guard. If you watch the video of him calling the Bundy protesters "domestic terrorists," he looks hunched over, shaky, angry and scared.

Of course, the next move he makes won't be an accident at all.

47 posted on 04/21/2014 5:06:14 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s up to the feds, the balls in their court!

The writer needs to put an apostrophe between the l and the s....ball’s.

Inhofe shows on whose side the politicians stand.


48 posted on 04/21/2014 5:18:52 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: itsahoot

“...the government thugs will be the innocent parties.”

It will soon be time for the gov’t thugs to be the dead parties. Each time this happens it will be harder for these gov’t thuggery agencies to find willing ‘thugs’ to do their dirty work.


49 posted on 04/21/2014 5:20:18 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Safetgiver

I would like for Inhofe to explain to me the difference between publicly owned and government owned. The white house is publicly owned. The government is publicly owned. Apparently Inhofe let it slip that he believes the government is no longer by the people, for the people. And he’s a part of the government.


50 posted on 04/21/2014 5:22:44 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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