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Study Shows Ethanol Produces Worse 'Global Warming' Pollution Than Gasoline
Townhall.com ^ | April 21, 2014 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 04/21/2014 4:21:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

Well, this is going to be a heartbreaker for the hysterical global warming crowd. According to a new study, emissions from burning corn are worse for the environment and produce more CO2 or 'global warming' gases than the burning of traditional gasoline.

Biofuels made from the leftovers of harvested corn plants are worse than gasoline for global warming in the short term, a study shows, challenging the Obama administration's conclusions that they are a much cleaner oil alternative and will help combat climate change.

A $500,000 study paid for by the federal government and released Sunday in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Climate Change concludes that biofuels made with corn residue release 7 percent more greenhouse gases in the early years compared with conventional gasoline.

The federal government has already dumped billions of dollars into facilities and programs producing biofuels in the name of preventing climate change but as usual, is having the opposite effect than originally intended.

Just last week, biofuel industry producers told the New York Times 2016 was the year they were looking most forward to bring cleaner energy to the United States. Oops.

“The whole purpose of the Renewable Fuel Standard was to encourage investment to create brand-new technologies that would help the United States become more energy-independent and use cleaner and more efficient fuels. We feel like we are just on the verge of doing that and now the E.P.A. is talking about changing the rules," Executive Vice President of the heavily subsidized biofuel company Abengoa Christopher Standlee said to the paper.

Al Gore, call your office.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: algore; energy; ethanol; gasoline; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; ntsa; opec; whinewhinewhinewhine
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1 posted on 04/21/2014 4:21:54 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Oops!


2 posted on 04/21/2014 4:26:50 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Kaslin
Politicians stuck on stupid.

One farmer here in Upsate NY said he bought up all the acreage he could and only farms corn to feed the nearby ethanol plant.

He was growing beans, tomatoes, broccoli, beets....every other vegie there is....No more....

And when the ethanol stops he can go back to growing his usual crops.

It's like the bean sprout binge.

3 posted on 04/21/2014 4:31:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin

This ethanol fiasco will rank right with the EPA polluting our ground water by requiring MBTE be added to gasoline. These uneducated quacks have done more damage to the environment than tracking ever could and have cost our economy billions.

The EPA was Nixon’s worst idea. He should have been impeached for that, rather than the penny-ante Watergate affair. Obama has demonstrated how a corrupt president can operate against his enemies with the full force of the law and get away with it.


4 posted on 04/21/2014 4:34:59 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Sacajaweau

With politicans, I hope you mean the liberals


5 posted on 04/21/2014 4:36:36 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve had two cars and one truck (2005,2009 Honda - 2010 F150).

All three have had absolutely no mechanical problems except that the 02 sensors for the catalytic converter always came up bad on the “check engine” fault. One or two of them would usually clear itself after about 3 days. Every time you take it to the dealer they wanted to replace the sensor, but that doesn’t work because it starts doing the same thing again.

It got so bad I read up on it. Many wideband 02 sensors are affected negatively by ethanol, some of the narrow band sensors, too. I’ve also had to rebuild virtually every carburetor on my 2 cycle home/yard tools because of it. It virtually melts thin gaskets, O-rings, and plastic breather films in them. It is more than likely it has the same affects on a car/truck.

I finally broke down and bought an OBDII-CAN handheld scanner that I keep in my console to connect up to the cable that I have permanently installed in the OBDII connector. I just scan and reset - about once every two weeks.

The only benefit that ethanol has is for the people that are in the corn chain. This is about SUBSIDIES - MONEY, nothing else. From the farmers that get paid more to divert their corn from the food supply, to the middlemen that mark it up and pass it on off to ethanol producers.

It’s a SCAM and a travesty. Now we hear it doesn’t even help the environment. Gee, thanks Government!


6 posted on 04/21/2014 4:40:27 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Kaslin

I did this study 25 years ago.

With Ethanol, my mileage was reduced by 15%, so, with a 15% Ethanol fuel ix, my “pollutants per mile” remained unchanged.

Where’s my $500 Grand?!?!?!?


7 posted on 04/21/2014 4:40:45 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Kaslin

I really don’t believe it was ever about greenies—they were duped by those who wanted to control the food supply. Maybe I should take my tinfoil hat off?


8 posted on 04/21/2014 4:47:41 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Gaffer

To Sheldon’e dismay, Penny taught us not to worry about the check engine light.

Being sceptical, I bought a scanner also. I did replace the O2 sensor on my diesel engine. Harbor Freight sells the tool and ebay the sensor.

There is a persistent “cam shaft out of alignmnet error” that also pops up. Sometimes it needs to be cleared, sometimes it goes away.

Although I have mostly done nothing, I feel better.


9 posted on 04/21/2014 4:51:22 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: G Larry

I have a 2004 Chevrolet Cavalier which I bought in 2006. That was before the gas stations were forced to add ethanol to the gas. I noticed the gas mileage went down tremendously after that and it doesn’t take long before the gauge needle is on the 3/4 mark. Before it took about a week


10 posted on 04/21/2014 4:52:15 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: txrefugee
Obama has demonstrated how a corrupt president can operate against his enemies with the full force of the law and get away with it.

A white guy can't get away with the same behavior as Obama.

11 posted on 04/21/2014 4:58:29 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Sacajaweau

The study, actually, was of cellulosic ethanol, not corn ethanol.


12 posted on 04/21/2014 5:04:03 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: bert

I just can’t stand driving with that light on. My experience is that I can replace the sensor, but that the ethanol messes it up again. I just reset and everything is fine. No change in performance or mileage, and I am NOT going to replace a catalytic converter for anything!

Two Honda Accords and a Ford F-150 doing the same thing is proof enough for me that ethanol is not good for an engine/system.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 5:06:34 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Mr. Lucky
First line in the article:"Well, this is going to be a heartbreaker for the hysterical global warming crowd. According to a new study, emissions from burning corn are worse for the environment and produce more CO2 or 'global warming' gases than the burning of traditional gasoline. "
14 posted on 04/21/2014 5:09:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kaslin
Well, this is going to be a heartbreaker for the hysterical global warming crowd.

They won't care. They've already made up their minds, and no amount of science is going to dissuade them. Keep in mind that these same environazis have no problem with Canada shipping Alberta oil to be used in China where no environmental controls exist. No efforts will be made to remove the sulfur in the refining process. Yet you hear no complaints from the left.

The bottom line here is that this has nothing at all to do with the environment and everything to do with leveling the playing field so that the rest of the world receives the access to petro-energy that the US has previously enjoyed.

15 posted on 04/21/2014 5:10:38 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Kaslin

Got to be careful with this. If this makes sense to you, they are hopeful you will begin discussing this study. If you do, you are subtly accepting the premise there is man-made global warming. This is a subliminal attack...because as you discuss this, you are accepting the subliminal premise and the conversation begs you to give a solution to replacing ethanol to stop global warming. Any resulting discussion, as it does in this article, makes the solution one of finding a better alternative [to stop global warming]. Don’t accept the premise no matter how it is sugar-coated or you will end up supporting the premise that there is man made global warming.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 5:22:15 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

You’re full of it. I never accept that there is global warming and I doubt that any here in the forum is either


17 posted on 04/21/2014 5:30:20 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

They have known this for more than ten years, but the politicans are talking about adding more ethanol. They committed themselves to ethanol, but when it turned out to provide more pollution than gasoline, they chose to ignore that fact. Politicians are never wrong. They never make mistakes. Don’t look for them to make this right any time in the near future.


18 posted on 04/21/2014 5:35:23 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Smokin' Joe

Congressman King speaks at Quad County Corn Processors in Galva, Iowa today.
Jul 29, 2013

“It was an honor to speak today at the groundbreaking ceremony for Quad County Corn Processor’s new Adding Cellulosic Ethanol project,” said King. “This project has been three years in the making and the new facility will create more jobs and help sustain the economy. I have consistently said we should work to add value as close to the corn stalk as possible and that is exactly what is happening in Galva. They have found new ways to squeeze even more out of a bushel of corn and this is paving the way for new technology both here in Iowa and across the country.”
http://steveking.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/king-speaks-at-groundbreaking-of-adding-cellulosic-ethanol-project

St. Paul, Minn. — Minnesota was the first state to require that all gasoline sold in the state contain 10-percent ethanol. Montana and Hawaii have passed similar laws, although they haven’t gone into effect yet. Pawlenty pushed for doubling Minnesota’s ethanol mandate to 20-percent by the year 2013. He says the events of the last few months have made it clear that the nation must reduce its dependence on fossil fuels.
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/09/26_mccalluml_ethanol/

Some of the most conservative members of Ohio’s congressional delegation have refused or declined to sign onto oil industry and Tea Party-backed initiatives that would end the ethanol mandate. Only one Ohioan, in fact, U.S. Rep. Steve Chabot of Cincinnati, has co-sponsored legislation to repeal the mandate, called the Renewable Fuel Standard.

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/01/ethanol_debate_puts_conservati_1.html

I’m guessing they all consider themselves ‘conservatives’


19 posted on 04/21/2014 5:37:00 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Kaslin

I hope folks realize this isn’t about “what’s best” or “what works”,

but about liberals attaining their sense of righteousness through their advocacy.

And, when you point out that the policies they advocate for are more harmful to their stated cause than leaving well enough alone, you are shouting “damn you” in their faces.

It’s never about the issue itself, it’s about liberals’ righteousness. So don’t be surprised when you get some really strange responses when you point out the failure of some issue they support.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 5:38:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

Does this mean we will all get a refund for all the extra money we had to pay when it came to filling up the tank?


21 posted on 04/21/2014 5:39:43 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Kaslin

Nanny staters have trouble making up their minds, swaying whichever way the wind blows.


22 posted on 04/21/2014 5:58:35 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Gaffer

Well,let’s see here...they are saying ethanol puts more CO2 into the atmosphere,but it was supposed to combat it. CO2 isn’t a pollutant,but ethanol does other damage & costs mileage. So,I guess it benefits a few producers & costs everybody else. Tell us again why we are promoting & using it.


23 posted on 04/21/2014 6:12:52 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Gaffer

My car’s fuel line actually rusted from the inside out...I suspect ethanol contributed to this.

And don’t get me started on my small engines - mowers, chainsaws, generators, you name it - I have had issues with fuel delivery on all sorts of stuff.

This stuff never used to happen - now I expect it.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 6:14:56 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Kaslin

I want to know why shameless liberals never lose credibility over this.

The same office liberal who thinks I’m the devil, because I don’t like ethanol, will still think I’m the devil because I don’t believe in global warming.

They have no concept of losing credibility.


25 posted on 04/21/2014 6:16:16 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: oldtech

It’s really nothing different than paying farmers NOT to grow food, or providing milk price support for Northeastern dairies, or giving special tax breaks for industries that are large contributors (e.g., solar industry) to the Democrat Party and its candidates.

It is nothing more than graft, greed and theft from the American people who pay taxes.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 6:16:19 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: lacrew

There are so many reasons why LIBs of any bent shouldn’t be given any position of authority, responsibility or power. Their natural position is one of court jester.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 6:16:35 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Kaslin

As one person put it back in the 80’s, “Using ethanol to stretch your gasoline supply is like using Filet Mignon to stretch your hamburger supply.”......................


28 posted on 04/21/2014 6:21:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Kaslin

“A $500,000 study paid for by the federal government and released Sunday in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Climate Change concludes that biofuels made with corn residue release 7 percent more greenhouse gases in the early years compared with conventional gasoline.”

That’s OK. They’ll get special double secret dispensation like the migratory bird mix masters do.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 6:24:12 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Kaslin

Is someone keeping a list of major government mandated policy failures?

Democratcare, the Food Pyramid, and now ethanol when will the people learn that crony-run government is wasteful tyranny?


30 posted on 04/21/2014 6:26:10 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Red Badger

To bad that no one listened


31 posted on 04/21/2014 6:26:38 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Big Government Programs Last Forever.

It doesn’t matter how much damage they do. You cannot kill them.


32 posted on 04/21/2014 6:36:27 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Kaslin

This may be a new study, but it isn’t new information. Unlike global warming, where dire predictions don’t pan out, predictions about the downside of using ethanol as a major fuel source have come true. This study proves the obvious, but is it enough to stop the craziness? Without crazy, where would Democrats be, and they have so many subsidized farmers and the ethanol industry voting for the craziness?


33 posted on 04/21/2014 6:36:46 AM PDT by pallis
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To: lacrew
I spent several hours searching for straight gas for my ‘73 Honda 750 Saturday. No luck.
34 posted on 04/21/2014 6:38:16 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The author of this article doesn’t know the difference between corn and corn stover. (neither of which is “burned” in producing ethanol, anyway).


35 posted on 04/21/2014 6:49:49 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: CrazyIvan

Somebody on here once gave me this link, to help find real gas.

http://pure-gas.org/


36 posted on 04/21/2014 6:51:15 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

Thanks. I’ll give it a try.


37 posted on 04/21/2014 7:07:05 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
They have known this for more than ten years, but the politicians are talking about adding more ethanol.

That can be explained with two words: "Iowa caucuses."

38 posted on 04/21/2014 7:14:09 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: lacrew
And don’t get me started on my small engines - mowers, chainsaws, generators, you name it - I have had issues with fuel delivery on all sorts of stuff.

You can buy non-ethanol gasoline at some petroleum jobbers, or you can mix standard gasoline with racing gas (there are hazards to some types of equipment from the extra octane). I did it and my saws run a LOT better. Costs about $10 per gallon.

39 posted on 04/21/2014 7:18:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Kaslin
These ethanol plants could be converted to vodka distilleries. The U.S. could then flood the world market with high-quality, low-priced vodka until Putin cries “Uncle!”
40 posted on 04/21/2014 7:22:51 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I havent seen bean sprouts in a long time, now that you mention it.


41 posted on 04/21/2014 7:28:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: bert

>>There is a persistent “cam shaft out of alignmnet error” that also pops up.

I don’t like the sound of that one. :( Only thing I can think of is a loose timing belt/chain.


42 posted on 04/21/2014 7:44:07 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Kaslin

Grain lobby got what it wanted, corn in gas and a carb heavy “Food Pyramid”. Neither were good for America but it probably benefited politicians and grain producers.

No food for oil.


43 posted on 04/21/2014 7:58:08 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Lazamataz
It was one of those "new" healthy items. IIRC, there were only a couple of folks who produced them. I think people found out....big deal...we'll wait till they get bigger and have real beans.

You have to follow the money on these things.

Schumer was promoting one single yogurt company here in NY....and as far as I know...that company is the only one contracted to supply NYS schools and they get subsidized besides.

44 posted on 04/21/2014 8:18:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Lazamataz

http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/morning_call/2013/07/new-york-chosen-to-serve-greek-yogurt.html


45 posted on 04/21/2014 8:20:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin

Note The Insult to the Olfactory senses is acutely rank!

Please be done with this faux corporatist GR$$N Dream!


46 posted on 04/21/2014 8:39:42 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: Kaslin

this crap cost untold billions - but ADM got rich from rent-seeking

how many years or decades before the subsidies are ended??


47 posted on 04/21/2014 9:33:28 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Sacajaweau

did he raise emu or ostrich back when it was the next big thing?


48 posted on 04/21/2014 9:34:56 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: txrefugee

bump


49 posted on 04/21/2014 9:35:24 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Kaslin

Read it again, if people “discuss it” they are discussing an alternative to ethanol...they should refuse to continue any discussion or the premise is accepted....nuance isn’t your thing is it?


50 posted on 04/21/2014 11:33:02 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ("There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - Thomas Jefferson)
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