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Lavrov: US should face responsibility for powers it installed in Kiev
RT ^ | 4-21-2014 | Russia Toady

Posted on 04/21/2014 9:48:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf

The Russian Foreign Minister says the US should take responsibility for those whom they put in power instead issuing ultimatums to Moscow.

"Before giving us ultimatums, demanding that we fulfill demands within two or three days with the threat of sanctions, we would urgently call on our American partners to fully accept responsibility for those who they brought to power,” said Lavrov during a press conference with his colleague from Mozambique, Oldemiro Baloi.

All attempts to isolate Russia will lead to a dead end because Russia is "a big, independent power that knows what it wants," he added

(snip) Meanwhile, Lavrov also said that the Kiev coup-appointed government has violated the Geneva agreements of April 17, after the four-sided talks between the EU, the US, Russia and Ukraine.

“The Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) group has been “running the show” in the streets of central and western Ukraine and is trying to affect eastern regions,” he said, adding that buildings in Kiev seized by the protesters haven’t been freed and the streets haven’t been cleared.

(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coup; russia; ukrainemaidan
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As far as I know, this is the first time the Russian Government has DIRECTLY said that the US was behind Maidan.
1 posted on 04/21/2014 9:48:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

I always thought it’d be fun to write satire like this type of propaganda.


2 posted on 04/21/2014 9:51:14 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre; Admin Moderator

Any comment on the actual contents of the article?


3 posted on 04/21/2014 9:52:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
Russia is "a big, independent power that knows what it wants,"

Indeed...

4 posted on 04/21/2014 9:53:34 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: elhombrelibre

Propaganda. Do you deny that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests at Maidan?


5 posted on 04/21/2014 9:54:52 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: tcrlaf
Any comment on the actual contents of the article?

It's Russian propaganda.

6 posted on 04/21/2014 10:00:51 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

The US has been stirring things up in Egypt, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine (and who knows where else). We seem to like helping people overthrow their legitimate (even if not the greatest) governments, and then we abandon them and leave them twisting in the wind. Obama’s like a wrecking ball.


7 posted on 04/21/2014 10:01:16 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: pgkdan

The protests were “ignited” when that Russian stooge accepted Putin’s offer.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 10:02:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

To repeat dan’s question, Do you deny that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests at Maidan?


9 posted on 04/21/2014 10:10:23 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: 1rudeboy

The “Russian stooge(TM)” was an elected president, dumbboy, the clowns in Kiev now have no such legitimacy.


10 posted on 04/21/2014 10:11:51 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: tcrlaf
Russia is "a big, independent power that knows what it wants,"

So is the U.S.    Free stuff.


11 posted on 04/21/2014 10:16:55 AM PDT by 867V309 (GOPe? NOPe!)
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To: pgkdan
"Propaganda. Do you deny that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests at Maidan?"

Most normal people do, since there is no evidence that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests, or that it was anyone other than the SBU agents photographed gearing up with sniper rifles who did the shootings against protestors that led to it picking up. Also, brand new on me, still checking it out. Apparently, the Ukrainian intelligence organization is also openly stating now that Yanukovich did not flee the country after all. They think he was kidnapped by Russian GRU, the same who recommended using violence against the protestors.

12 posted on 04/21/2014 10:18:53 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: varmintman
The “Russian stooge(TM)” was an elected president, dumbboy, the clowns in Kiev now have no such legitimacy.

Actually they do, dumbboy, since the interim government is just the Ukrainian rada, which is democratically elected.

13 posted on 04/21/2014 10:19:53 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf
Food for thought. "Behind The Kiev Snipers It Was Somebody From The New Coalition" - A Stunning New Leak Released.
14 posted on 04/21/2014 10:27:57 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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To: tcrlaf; elhombrelibre; Admin Moderator
Any comment on the actual contents of the article?

RT has indeed been openly discredited as a propaganda outlet for the Kremlin (though it was known before hand, at least by people who cared to wonder, that it was indeed Kremlin controlled, as is a lot of media in Russia). FR shouldn't even tolerate its posting.

15 posted on 04/21/2014 10:28:30 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Reuters
11/24/2013

Mass rallies in Ukraine against government U-turn on EU

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/24/uk-ukraine-eu-idUKBRE9AN0C920131124

The protests were “ignited” when the Ukrainian government balked at signing the Association Agreement.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 10:29:22 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: McGruff

The participants in that call have denied asserting that it was anyone from the Maidan. Furthermore, that call took place before any actual investigation had been done on the matter, and is therefore an impossible conclusion. All the evidence, photographs of armed members of the SBU’s elite unit leaving their compound shortly before the firings began, documents, etc., lead no doubt that it was indeed the Russian trained SBU behind the shootings.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 10:32:37 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf

Yay, Russian state propaganda direct from RT.

Sad to see so many Putinista’s still hanging around here. The ones I’ve run into tend to be mostly Ron Paul nutters who think this is all about fiat currency, the gold standard, neo-cons (aka Jews), etc.


18 posted on 04/21/2014 10:34:15 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: varmintman

An elected president who looted his treasury, tried to rewrite his constitution, and fired upon his own citizens.


19 posted on 04/21/2014 10:48:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
An elected president who looted his treasury, tried to rewrite his constitution, and fired upon his own citizens.

Bill Clinton?

20 posted on 04/21/2014 10:51:14 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Defend him too, if you wish.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 10:52:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Most normal people do, since there is no evidence that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests

The United States spent $5 billion on Ukraine anti-government riots

Or is this Russian propaganda. What about the US/NATO overthrow of Syria, Libya, Egypt, and a bunch of other governments? Where all those Russian propaganda stunts too?

22 posted on 04/21/2014 10:54:45 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Defend him too, if you wish.

I'm not. I'm just pointing out that Uncle Scam is a little lacking in the moral authority department.

23 posted on 04/21/2014 10:57:44 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Ok, so if what Putin did is ok, then what Clinton did is ok. Follow?


24 posted on 04/21/2014 10:59:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Ok, so if what Putin did is ok, then what Clinton did is ok. Follow?

Who said what Putin allegedly did was ok?

25 posted on 04/21/2014 11:05:37 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Well, there’s this guy . . . who gets moody when comparisons are made between Putin and Hitler.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 11:09:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Well, there’s this guy . . . who gets moody when comparisons are made between Putin and Hitler.

I can see where he is coming from. I sort of see the Putin / Clinton comparison except that Clinton deliberately tried to wreck his country and succeeded for the most part. The Putin / Hitler comparison is pure hyperbole.

Tell me did Putin plan and instigate the overthrow of Ukraine and handing it to his adversaries in a diabolical plot to kick off his plan of world conquest?

27 posted on 04/21/2014 11:15:41 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“since there is no evidence that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests”

So... The Victoria Nuland stuff doesn’t exist? WOW....

“or that it was anyone other than the SBU agents photographed gearing up with sniper rifles”

I’m sure that explains why Avakov had Oleksandr Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bily, killed, right??

There are enough questions out there to make the whole situation cloudy. YOU, my friend, are the one spouting the propaganda line.


28 posted on 04/21/2014 11:16:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“RT has indeed been openly discredited as a propaganda outlet”

So has Maidanpr/Kiev Post....
Does that mean that the ACTUAL WORDS of The Russian Foreign Minister didn’t happen??

You are just here trolling. Please go away, if you haven’t got anything substansive to add.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 11:18:29 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

You will note how the troll has diverted you away from the actual contents of the article that was posted?

This is what propaganda trolls like this do. If you look across the news websites, you will find that they are all saying the same thing. It’s like the OFA/SEIU internet boiler rooms from 2008/2012 are active again.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 11:21:43 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
So... The Victoria Nuland stuff doesn’t exist? WOW....

It exists, but there's nothing in it that supports the Kremlin conspiracy theory of the U.S. being behind the protests or any other elements. It only gives the "impression," and, that, only for those already inclined to believe Kremlin propaganda.

I’m sure that explains why Avakov had Oleksandr Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bily, killed, right??

And you have evidence that Avakov ordered the killing of that Right Sector goon? Moving from one unproven conspiracy to another one to prove the former, is not how a normal person functions.

There are enough questions out there to make the whole situation cloudy

Questions, yes, but that's how Russian active measures work. They "cloudy" the issues so no one checks the questions that have been answered. They also really like to instill self-loathing into their victims.

YOU, my friend, are the one spouting the propaganda line.

You're quoting from known Russian propaganda and the best you can offer me are "questions" which you yourself can't even answer, but which you place out there as if they settle something. That is propaganda and psychological warfare, though, I am not saying that you are aware of it.

31 posted on 04/21/2014 11:23:41 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“The participants in that call have denied asserting that it was anyone from the Maidan.”

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, PERIOD!

This administration has been proven over and over again to be not just liars, but BRAZEN liars. This entire episode fits the scenarios this administration enacted in Tunisia, in Libya, in Egypt, and again tried in Syria. And you believe them?


32 posted on 04/21/2014 11:24:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf
You are just here trolling. Please go away, if you haven’t got anything substansive to add.

I'm trolling? And yet, you're the one posting from known Kremlin sources, and the other fellow is quoting from a website filled with conspiracy quacks and anti-American libertarian types. The Communist Party USA, by the way, is shilling for Putin too, using the same arguments. That is where left and right converge these days, unfortunately.

33 posted on 04/21/2014 11:25:52 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf
This administration has been proven over and over again to be not just liars, but BRAZEN liars. This entire episode fits the scenarios this administration enacted in Tunisia, in Libya, in Egypt, and again tried in Syria. And you believe them?

This is absolutely irrelevant. I support the Ukrainian people in their fight against a totalitarian force that has subjugated the Russian people, and aims to do the same to them. It has nothing to do with Obamacare, or any other matter.

34 posted on 04/21/2014 11:27:23 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
Tell me did Putin plan and instigate the overthrow of Ukraine and handing it to his adversaries in a diabolical plot to kick off his plan of world conquest?

Some believe the U.S. did. Why, necessarily, not believe the alternative?

35 posted on 04/21/2014 11:27:39 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; Admin Moderator

“You’re quoting from known Russian propaganda”

INCORRECT...
I posted an article containg a DIRECT QUOTE from the foreign minister of the 2nd most powerful country on the planet, saying, “we call on our American partners to fully accept responsibility for those who they brought to power.”

That is an important statement, one you are trying to bury by screaming “Propoganda!”.


36 posted on 04/21/2014 11:28:22 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto; 1rudeboy
The Putin / Hitler comparison is pure hyperbole.

Why is it hyperbole? Did you know that Putin has people working for him, who are frequently presented on Kremlin controlled news networks, who promote Nazi-like racial theories about the Russian people being the "true heirs" of the Aryan tribe? And these same people, such as Aleksandr Dugin, have even promoted the works of Aleister Crowley? And these same people promote Euraisanism, which calls for the reconquest of countries like Georgia and Ukraine?

The fact is, none of the Kremlin apologists who are filled with such sound and fury have any clue about what is actually going on in Russia.

37 posted on 04/21/2014 11:30:34 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf; administrator; All
INCORRECT... I posted an article containg a DIRECT QUOTE from the foreign minister

No, it is still correct. You are quoting RT, which contains a quote from the Russian foreign minister. It's like propaganda within propaganda. Propaganda squared.

38 posted on 04/21/2014 11:32:22 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
There was a Victor David Hanson thread this morning where VDH made the comparison. People were howling about it . . . .
39 posted on 04/21/2014 11:32:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

You will note how few freepers now comment on Russia/Ukraine threads?

That is the goal of the Propaganda troll, just like during the two Obama elections.

They try to drown out anything that doesn’t fit the approved propaganda line. they don’t debate, they just flame. Eventually, most just get tired of dealing with them, and pass by commenting.

This multiple ID troll is fulfilling its purpose.


40 posted on 04/21/2014 11:33:41 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

The Kremlin propagandist has finally stepped into the astral plane. When they do that, I know I’ve done well.


41 posted on 04/21/2014 11:35:00 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf
As far as I know, this is the first time the Russian Government has DIRECTLY said that the US was behind Maidan.

Its total bullshit and lies...not that Obungu cares. He could care less what goes on among white people just so long as they self destroy via wars etc and vote democrat

42 posted on 04/21/2014 11:37:29 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: tcrlaf

The only antidote is more Russian propaganda, apparently. Gotta’ make the rubes understand that Russia is the victim of all this . . . .


43 posted on 04/21/2014 11:38:16 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Care to direct me to any U.S. Media sources that you would find acceptable, containing this quote??

US Media has pretty much buried any discussion of Ukraine, past the approved Administration line.


44 posted on 04/21/2014 11:43:41 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; tcrlaf
GPH,

Tcrlaf cannot find anything from Lord Haw Haw or Tokyo rose, so he must make do with today's version of comedy.

45 posted on 04/21/2014 11:47:21 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
Back up a little, cowboy. Lavrov (presumably) is expressing the position of the Russian government. It's what Foreign Ministers do. By definition, it is Russian "propaganda," in the same sense that what Kerry says is American "propaganda."

The tarpit you appear to fall into, with some regularity, is claiming that what Kerry says is propaganda, and what Lavrov says is truth.

46 posted on 04/21/2014 11:48:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: pgkdan

I’m sure it’d be impossible for the Ukrainian people to come up with an idea like, say, that they’d like to be free of crude Russian chauvinism and benighted Putinism.


47 posted on 04/21/2014 11:48:41 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

And we all know why Putin’s puppet Yanukovich balked at signing the agreement he’d negotiated. His boss, Putin, told him not to sign it. That’s how gangster statesmen do things. They made Yanukovich an offer he couldn’t refuse. Not surprisingly, the Ukrainians took exception.


48 posted on 04/21/2014 11:51:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
The United States spent $5 billion on Ukraine anti-government riots
Or is this Russian propaganda.


The claim is from RT. The article you cite makes the following conclusion: "Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine...We rate the claim Pants on Fire."
49 posted on 04/21/2014 11:56:13 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Ukraine not weak!”

But much to the consternation of Kramer and Newman, it is.


50 posted on 04/21/2014 11:59:43 AM PDT by onedoug
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