Skip to comments.Lavrov: US should face responsibility for powers it installed in Kiev
Posted on 04/21/2014 9:48:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf
The Russian Foreign Minister says the US should take responsibility for those whom they put in power instead issuing ultimatums to Moscow.
"Before giving us ultimatums, demanding that we fulfill demands within two or three days with the threat of sanctions, we would urgently call on our American partners to fully accept responsibility for those who they brought to power, said Lavrov during a press conference with his colleague from Mozambique, Oldemiro Baloi.
All attempts to isolate Russia will lead to a dead end because Russia is "a big, independent power that knows what it wants," he added
(snip) Meanwhile, Lavrov also said that the Kiev coup-appointed government has violated the Geneva agreements of April 17, after the four-sided talks between the EU, the US, Russia and Ukraine.
The Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) group has been running the show in the streets of central and western Ukraine and is trying to affect eastern regions, he said, adding that buildings in Kiev seized by the protesters havent been freed and the streets havent been cleared.
(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...
I always thought it’d be fun to write satire like this type of propaganda.
Any comment on the actual contents of the article?
Propaganda. Do you deny that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests at Maidan?
It's Russian propaganda.
The US has been stirring things up in Egypt, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine (and who knows where else). We seem to like helping people overthrow their legitimate (even if not the greatest) governments, and then we abandon them and leave them twisting in the wind. Obama’s like a wrecking ball.
The protests were “ignited” when that Russian stooge accepted Putin’s offer.
To repeat dan’s question, Do you deny that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests at Maidan?
The “Russian stooge(TM)” was an elected president, dumbboy, the clowns in Kiev now have no such legitimacy.
Most normal people do, since there is no evidence that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests, or that it was anyone other than the SBU agents photographed gearing up with sniper rifles who did the shootings against protestors that led to it picking up. Also, brand new on me, still checking it out. Apparently, the Ukrainian intelligence organization is also openly stating now that Yanukovich did not flee the country after all. They think he was kidnapped by Russian GRU, the same who recommended using violence against the protestors.
Actually they do, dumbboy, since the interim government is just the Ukrainian rada, which is democratically elected.
RT has indeed been openly discredited as a propaganda outlet for the Kremlin (though it was known before hand, at least by people who cared to wonder, that it was indeed Kremlin controlled, as is a lot of media in Russia). FR shouldn't even tolerate its posting.
Mass rallies in Ukraine against government U-turn on EU
The protests were “ignited” when the Ukrainian government balked at signing the Association Agreement.
The participants in that call have denied asserting that it was anyone from the Maidan. Furthermore, that call took place before any actual investigation had been done on the matter, and is therefore an impossible conclusion. All the evidence, photographs of armed members of the SBU’s elite unit leaving their compound shortly before the firings began, documents, etc., lead no doubt that it was indeed the Russian trained SBU behind the shootings.
Yay, Russian state propaganda direct from RT.
Sad to see so many Putinista’s still hanging around here. The ones I’ve run into tend to be mostly Ron Paul nutters who think this is all about fiat currency, the gold standard, neo-cons (aka Jews), etc.
An elected president who looted his treasury, tried to rewrite his constitution, and fired upon his own citizens.
Defend him too, if you wish.
Or is this Russian propaganda. What about the US/NATO overthrow of Syria, Libya, Egypt, and a bunch of other governments? Where all those Russian propaganda stunts too?
I'm not. I'm just pointing out that Uncle Scam is a little lacking in the moral authority department.
Ok, so if what Putin did is ok, then what Clinton did is ok. Follow?
Who said what Putin allegedly did was ok?
Well, there’s this guy . . . who gets moody when comparisons are made between Putin and Hitler.
I can see where he is coming from. I sort of see the Putin / Clinton comparison except that Clinton deliberately tried to wreck his country and succeeded for the most part. The Putin / Hitler comparison is pure hyperbole.
Tell me did Putin plan and instigate the overthrow of Ukraine and handing it to his adversaries in a diabolical plot to kick off his plan of world conquest?
“since there is no evidence that the US was instrumental in igniting the protests”
So... The Victoria Nuland stuff doesn’t exist? WOW....
“or that it was anyone other than the SBU agents photographed gearing up with sniper rifles”
I’m sure that explains why Avakov had Oleksandr Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bily, killed, right??
There are enough questions out there to make the whole situation cloudy. YOU, my friend, are the one spouting the propaganda line.
“RT has indeed been openly discredited as a propaganda outlet”
So has Maidanpr/Kiev Post....
Does that mean that the ACTUAL WORDS of The Russian Foreign Minister didn’t happen??
You are just here trolling. Please go away, if you haven’t got anything substansive to add.
You will note how the troll has diverted you away from the actual contents of the article that was posted?
This is what propaganda trolls like this do. If you look across the news websites, you will find that they are all saying the same thing. It’s like the OFA/SEIU internet boiler rooms from 2008/2012 are active again.
It exists, but there's nothing in it that supports the Kremlin conspiracy theory of the U.S. being behind the protests or any other elements. It only gives the "impression," and, that, only for those already inclined to believe Kremlin propaganda.
Im sure that explains why Avakov had Oleksandr Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bily, killed, right??
And you have evidence that Avakov ordered the killing of that Right Sector goon? Moving from one unproven conspiracy to another one to prove the former, is not how a normal person functions.
There are enough questions out there to make the whole situation cloudy
Questions, yes, but that's how Russian active measures work. They "cloudy" the issues so no one checks the questions that have been answered. They also really like to instill self-loathing into their victims.
YOU, my friend, are the one spouting the propaganda line.
You're quoting from known Russian propaganda and the best you can offer me are "questions" which you yourself can't even answer, but which you place out there as if they settle something. That is propaganda and psychological warfare, though, I am not saying that you are aware of it.
“The participants in that call have denied asserting that it was anyone from the Maidan.”
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, PERIOD!
This administration has been proven over and over again to be not just liars, but BRAZEN liars. This entire episode fits the scenarios this administration enacted in Tunisia, in Libya, in Egypt, and again tried in Syria. And you believe them?
I'm trolling? And yet, you're the one posting from known Kremlin sources, and the other fellow is quoting from a website filled with conspiracy quacks and anti-American libertarian types. The Communist Party USA, by the way, is shilling for Putin too, using the same arguments. That is where left and right converge these days, unfortunately.
This is absolutely irrelevant. I support the Ukrainian people in their fight against a totalitarian force that has subjugated the Russian people, and aims to do the same to them. It has nothing to do with Obamacare, or any other matter.
Some believe the U.S. did. Why, necessarily, not believe the alternative?
“You’re quoting from known Russian propaganda”
I posted an article containg a DIRECT QUOTE from the foreign minister of the 2nd most powerful country on the planet, saying, “we call on our American partners to fully accept responsibility for those who they brought to power.”
That is an important statement, one you are trying to bury by screaming “Propoganda!”.
Why is it hyperbole? Did you know that Putin has people working for him, who are frequently presented on Kremlin controlled news networks, who promote Nazi-like racial theories about the Russian people being the "true heirs" of the Aryan tribe? And these same people, such as Aleksandr Dugin, have even promoted the works of Aleister Crowley? And these same people promote Euraisanism, which calls for the reconquest of countries like Georgia and Ukraine?
The fact is, none of the Kremlin apologists who are filled with such sound and fury have any clue about what is actually going on in Russia.
No, it is still correct. You are quoting RT, which contains a quote from the Russian foreign minister. It's like propaganda within propaganda. Propaganda squared.
You will note how few freepers now comment on Russia/Ukraine threads?
That is the goal of the Propaganda troll, just like during the two Obama elections.
They try to drown out anything that doesn’t fit the approved propaganda line. they don’t debate, they just flame. Eventually, most just get tired of dealing with them, and pass by commenting.
This multiple ID troll is fulfilling its purpose.
The Kremlin propagandist has finally stepped into the astral plane. When they do that, I know I’ve done well.
Its total bullshit and lies...not that Obungu cares. He could care less what goes on among white people just so long as they self destroy via wars etc and vote democrat
The only antidote is more Russian propaganda, apparently. Gotta’ make the rubes understand that Russia is the victim of all this . . . .
Care to direct me to any U.S. Media sources that you would find acceptable, containing this quote??
US Media has pretty much buried any discussion of Ukraine, past the approved Administration line.
Tcrlaf cannot find anything from Lord Haw Haw or Tokyo rose, so he must make do with today's version of comedy.
The tarpit you appear to fall into, with some regularity, is claiming that what Kerry says is propaganda, and what Lavrov says is truth.
I’m sure it’d be impossible for the Ukrainian people to come up with an idea like, say, that they’d like to be free of crude Russian chauvinism and benighted Putinism.
And we all know why Putin’s puppet Yanukovich balked at signing the agreement he’d negotiated. His boss, Putin, told him not to sign it. That’s how gangster statesmen do things. They made Yanukovich an offer he couldn’t refuse. Not surprisingly, the Ukrainians took exception.
“Ukraine not weak!”
But much to the consternation of Kramer and Newman, it is.