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BLM EYES 90,000 ACRES OF TEXAS LAND
Breitbart ^ | April 21, 2014 | By Bob Price

Posted on 04/21/2014 1:37:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

After the recent Bundy Ranch episode by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), Texans are becoming more concerned about the BLM’s focus on 90,000 acres along a 116 mile stretch of the Texas/Oklahoma boundary. The BLM is reviewing the possible federal takeover and ownership of privately-held lands which have been deeded property for generations of Texas landowners.

Sid Miller, former Texas State Representative and Republican candidate for Texas Agriculture Commissioner, has since made the matter a campaign issue to Breitbart Texas.

“In Texas,” Miller says, “the BLM is attempting a repeat of an action taken over 30 years ago along the Red River when Tommy Henderson lost a federal lawsuit. The Bureau of Land Management took 140 acres of his property and didn’t pay him one cent.”

Miller referred to a 1986 case where the BLM attempted to seize some of Henderson’s land. Henderson sued the BLM and lost 140 acres that had been in his family for generations. Now the BLM is looking at using the prior case as a precedent to claim an additional 90,000 acres.

Congressman Mac Thornberry (R-TX) represents the ranchers in this region of north Texas. According to Thornberry’s legislative analysts, the issue of the ownership of this land dates back to the Louisiana Purchase of 1803. When the BLM made the claim on Henderson’s land, their position was that Texas never had the authority to deed the land to private parties and therefore it would fall under federal control.

In 1922, the U.S. Supreme Court attempted to settle the boundary dispute in Oklahoma v. Texas and declared the boundary to be defined by wooden stakes set on the river bank. That boundary apparently lasted no longer than anyone could expect wooden stakes to last in the shifting sands of a meandering river...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
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1 posted on 04/21/2014 1:37:28 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

2 posted on 04/21/2014 1:38:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Jim Robinson

3 posted on 04/21/2014 1:40:11 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Jim Robinson

HERE-WE-GO-AGAIN bookmark.


4 posted on 04/21/2014 1:41:03 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.??)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; xzins; Ray76; Fiddlstix; TheMom; Eaker; penelopesire; NYTexan; humblegunner; ...

“According to a BLM document provided to Breitbart Texas courtesy Rep. Thornberry’s staff, the BLM is going through a scoping period where they are gathering facts on land whose ownership they believe to be in question in Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas. The BLM is in the process of developing a Resource Management Plan. The plan will cover a total of 411,585 square miles, or 263 million acres of land. The BLM describes its “decision area as about 104,000 acres of BLM administered surface lands, 593,000 acres of split-estate land (private land with federal mineral interests) and 5,270,000 acres of federal mineral interests on land managed by other federal agencies.”


5 posted on 04/21/2014 1:41:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the BLM thought they had trouble in Nevada, they ain’t see nothin’ yetc i’d expect them to bring more agents and fire power though. That’s okay; Texas has more guns and probably not your standard fare either.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 1:42:14 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: BuckeyeTexan; xzins; Ray76; Fiddlstix; TheMom; Eaker; penelopesire; NYTexan; humblegunner; ...

We’re not in Kansas anymore, Toto. Not even in the USA.


7 posted on 04/21/2014 1:42:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s time for Texas Gov. Rick Perry to step up and tell the feds to get out of his state.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 1:43:22 PM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: VanDeKoik

These bureaucrats are mini tyrants. Going to have to be stopped at some point.


9 posted on 04/21/2014 1:43:36 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Jim Robinson

Everything belongs to god-fed. They only pretend to allow the people to own it.


10 posted on 04/21/2014 1:43:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Jim Robinson

More info and articles about this here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3143319/posts


11 posted on 04/21/2014 1:44:04 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: Jim Robinson

I guess this Agenda 21 thing is for real. I wonder why they want it other than it being river bottom farm land.


12 posted on 04/21/2014 1:44:36 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: VanDeKoik

* The EPA assigns one million acres to previous owners in Wyoming.

* The BLM Rustles cattle in Nevada.

* Now the USFS Rustles Cattle in New Mexico.

What will doormat Republican Speaker Boehner do now to punish these lawless Federal Bureaus?

BTW, have y’all noticed that Obama is very effectively using these lawless events by his Bureaus to distract from the NSA, Benghazi, IRS and Obamacare Scandals?

_________________________

Is the modern day equivalent of the KKK the Bureau of Feudal Land Management, (BFLM) ?

If so, then Feudal Lord Reid would then be “The Grand Dragon of the BFLM.”

Feudal Lord Reid’s Rustlers are hired guns, who are furious but not fast, which also applies to their multimillionaire Leader: Feudal Lord Reid.

With the past Democrat-based KKK, and now the present Democrat-controlled BFLM, ethics be damned, as abject fear is the main goal of both of these Medieval Outlaw Gangs, past and present.

“Ethics” will be justified later by Liberals who will write the ‘revised” PC History of these times, past and present; of powerful men with outlaw hatred toward free people in America, Black or White, poor or rich.

The Jackboot Heel of Democat Tyranny is now upon us, AGAIN !

FORWARD!


13 posted on 04/21/2014 1:45:30 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; xzins; Ray76; Fiddlstix; TheMom; Eaker; penelopesire; NYTexan; humblegunner; ...
"the BLM is going through a scoping period"

Poor choice of words, there, pard.

14 posted on 04/21/2014 1:45:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: lakecumberlandvet

I won’t hold my breath. Perry ain’t who lots of people think he is.


15 posted on 04/21/2014 1:46:12 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Pajamajan
See how long it the usual Government plants, agents and moles* to show up with. “He didn't pay his fees” and other variations chant and harping.< p> * To see what screen names they posted under, just retrieve the initial Bundy threads and read their posts.
16 posted on 04/21/2014 1:47:21 PM PDT by sport
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To: Jim Robinson
Poor choice of words, there, pard.

Dang ol' rednecks.

17 posted on 04/21/2014 1:49:44 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: VanDeKoik
The Federal Government should own no land. Period.

Teddy Roosevelt's so-called "National Parks: America's Best Idea" by the leftist Ken Burns of the Propaganda Broadcasting Service were a horrible grab of land best left to private concerns. Had the National Parks not been coerced doing the "progressive era", America would have long had energy independence.

Back when my children were still young, they hated going to places like Yellowstone but always enjoyed Six Flags and Busch Gardens. My wife and I quickly learned to scratch those places off of our vacation destinations not only because the kids hated them but the government employees at the National-ized Parks were predictably a mixture of both lazy and surly. In contrast, the staff at privately-owned parks kept them spotless and were always polite.

18 posted on 04/21/2014 1:50:42 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Water rights.

Most of these grabs are near or over water resources.


19 posted on 04/21/2014 1:53:33 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Jim Robinson
Here's my theory, reposted from March 26, 2014:


Something tells me that there is another, ulterior motive at play.

This land grab is also a wealth transfer from the states to the federal government. Temporary inland waterways, by another name, is "lakefront property." Lakefront property is mostly owned by the wealthy, who usually also have boats on the waterway.

Obama also recently declared the Mendocino coastline a federal national monument, keeping people away. He wouldn't dare to do this to the Malibu coastline, however.

Not only is the EPA being used to prevent private ownership of these lands from the rich, it's also preventing private royalties from any oil or shale gas that may be found there.

I'm thinking that Obama was stung by the responses to his claims of growth in oil production that it was all private land. Obama is eliminating the ability for future private mineral rights.


I wrote that before the Bundy incident happened.

What's so special about the Texas-Oklahoma border? Could it be oil and gas? Could it be that Obama wants the royalties for the US Treasury and not for generational land owners?

-PJ

20 posted on 04/21/2014 1:55:03 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Red River could get a lot redder.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 1:55:18 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Jim Robinson

In my research of the Bundy case and of the BLM, I hit on an “executive order” by 0Bama, that seemed to provide cover for the more recent actions undertaken.

I need to dig through a boat load of documents and web pages to find it.


22 posted on 04/21/2014 1:57:19 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hasn’t anyone ever heard, “Don’t Mess with Texas”


23 posted on 04/21/2014 1:58:15 PM PDT by kempster
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To: Jim Robinson

Nevada has a wimp governor.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 2:00:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Jim Robinson

(*snort*)

The peeps on my conference call thought I was just laughing at them.

(*grins*)


25 posted on 04/21/2014 2:00:37 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Jim Robinson
According to Thornberry’s legislative analysts, the issue of the ownership of this land dates back to the Louisiana Purchase of 1803.

and Texas became an INDEPENDENT NATION and Recognized as a Republic after that.

So either give us BACK the parts of the other states we brought to the table, or shut the 'ell UP!

26 posted on 04/21/2014 2:04:34 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Jim Robinson

One Ranger One Riot.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 2:07:52 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: smokingfrog
And we've got a constitutionally weak governor. I would expect more from the AG than the governor on this.

But I don't see anybody rolling over for the Feds here, either.

/johnny

28 posted on 04/21/2014 2:08:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Black Agnes

That means they’ll be going after the Mighty Mississippi before it’s over. That squares with Agenda 21. It wouldn’t do much good to have control over all the farm land without control over the water.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 2:10:47 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Black Agnes

There’s another thing in play, too. The water tables from these rivers have dropped substantially do to irrigation of farmland. They probably want to be able to stop it.


30 posted on 04/21/2014 2:11:39 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Jim Robinson
The Red River Boundary Compact, passed by both Texas and Oklahoma legislatures, approved by Congress of the US as a joint resolution, and went into effect August 2000, is the controlling legal authority.

BLM hasn't got squat to say about it.

/johnny

31 posted on 04/21/2014 2:14:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Political Junkie Too

What counties in Texas? Cooke?


32 posted on 04/21/2014 2:15:42 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Jim Robinson
Is China Taking Over the Globalization Agenda? 2011

...Loans from China typically carry different terms than World Bank loans. In the case of China’s involvement in Africa, Robert Rotberg, editor of the book China into Africa, says, “China loans [are] in exchange for resources, which its companies extract themselves using Chinese labor, so in essence it’s fake lending.

The Chinese rarely expect those loans to be paid back.” According to a paper published by David Mitchell of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, China canceled $1.2 billion in debt from 31 African countries in 2000 and added another $750 million in debt forgiveness in 2003

33 posted on 04/21/2014 2:16:19 PM PDT by opentalk
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-is-letting-china-buy-our-energy-fields-is-your-state-on-this-list/


34 posted on 04/21/2014 2:17:15 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Jim Robinson

I think they ought to just go ahead and do it. This is going on too long. Let’s get it on.

We’ll either stand up or let ‘em roll over us. This incremental bullshit has gone on too long.

Time to put up or shut up.

Claire Wolfe: “It’s too late to work within the system, but it’s too early to start shooting ‘em”.

When is it that we push back? When is it that we decide that enough’s enough? When is it that we realize that we are so far from our Constitution that the militia has to be called out to hold people accountable?


35 posted on 04/21/2014 2:23:42 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Jim Robinson

They aren’t the only ones with scopes!


36 posted on 04/21/2014 2:26:32 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!l)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Texas has an extremely small percentage of public lands. The feds HATE not owning big parts of the state. This is an obvious attempt to grab some lands in a part of the state where there are almost none.

Then their regulations and stormtroopers follow.


37 posted on 04/21/2014 2:28:00 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Sorry. After digesting the whole story, I told the wrong interviewee to shut up. In my defense - the whole mess has me so hacked off, I can’t see straight.


38 posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:14 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: lakecumberlandvet

It’s time for Texas to play Cowboys and Marxists!

F U B O!


39 posted on 04/21/2014 2:29:21 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: DesertRhino

Hahahaha! Ever been to Texas? Might not be such a smart idea.


40 posted on 04/21/2014 2:30:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Political Junkie Too

You might want to take a look at Lake Texhoma. Just a whole lot of beautiful water - one side is Texas, the other Oklahoma. We stayed up there over Thanksgiving last year near Pottsboro. Beautiful, beautiful area. The Feds need to stay away from our land and our water.


41 posted on 04/21/2014 2:33:28 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Holy cow...they couldn’t have picked a state less likely to sit still for their crap.


42 posted on 04/21/2014 2:38:03 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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CHINA POISED TO PLAY DEBT CARD – FOR U.S. LAND 2013

.... Could real estate on American soil owned by China be set up as “development zones” in which the communist nation could establish Chinese-owned businesses and bring in its citizens to the U.S. to work?

That’s part of an evolving proposal Beijing has been developing quietly since 2009 to convert more than $1 trillion of U.S debt it owns into equity

43 posted on 04/21/2014 2:40:29 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Jim Robinson

And there is this little nugget in the article:

“According to a BLM document provided to Breitbart Texas courtesy Rep. Thornberry’s staff, the BLM is going through a scoping period where they are gathering facts on land whose ownership they believe to be in question in Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas. The BLM is in the process of developing a Resource Management Plan. The plan will cover a total of 411,585 square miles, or 263 million acres of land. The BLM describes its “decision area as about 104,000 acres of BLM administered surface lands, 593,000 acres of split-estate land (private land with federal mineral interests) and 5,270,000 acres of federal mineral interests on land managed by other federal agencies.”

411K square miles is slightly over 800 X 500 miles in what they say is the 3 states of OK, TX, and KS. So where are we talking and what are they scheming?

Also notice that they are moving eastward in their confiscation.


44 posted on 04/21/2014 2:45:12 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Get rid of all the “Alphabet Agencies”.

They have all become subsidiaries and enforcement arms of the organization of extreme leftists who call themselves democrats.


45 posted on 04/21/2014 2:47:04 PM PDT by Iron Munro (NSA reports Malaysia Flight 370 black box signals detected in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: Jim Robinson

“In 1922, the U.S. Supreme Court attempted to settle the boundary dispute in Oklahoma v. Texas and declared the boundary to be defined by wooden stakes set on the river bank. That boundary apparently lasted no longer than anyone could expect wooden stakes to last in the shifting sands of a meandering river...”

Federal ‘logic’ has always been a bit difficult for “normal” folks to understanding or for that matter God’s natural laws to conform to..


46 posted on 04/21/2014 2:48:34 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There will always be persons of the jackboot mentality depending on ‘government’ to give them the OK to beat up other citizens. Jackboots don’t even have to be citizens or patriots going back to our Revolutionary war.


47 posted on 04/21/2014 2:48:43 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Political Junkie Too

Check my post, #44 and read the last paragraph that was in the article. Interesting in light of your post.


48 posted on 04/21/2014 2:49:10 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Does this guy have a legal defense fund?


49 posted on 04/21/2014 2:50:04 PM PDT by tbw2
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An earlier posting from a few days ago if anyone is interested in the comments thereon:

RED RIVER RUMBLE? BLM Wants to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers’ Land!


Since 1803 when the Louisiana Purchase was completed, there has been a controversy over the
boundary between Oklahoma and Texas. The boundary is supposed to be the vegetation line on
the south side of the Red River. But the River has moved over time. The problem is the definition
since 1803 when the Louisiana Purchase was completed,of that boundary line- Oklahoma and Texas
each use different semantics to define it. And the BLM is finding ways to use the disputed words to
give them the ability to seize the land.

According to the BLM, the Red River is always Accretion (gradual accumulation of sediment) to
the south, and always Avulsion (rapid formation of a new river channel) to the north. So according
to the BLM, the boundary only moves one direction, never in the direction that favors the ranchers.
They are looking to re-draw the entire portion of the Red River boundary. That includes 90,000
acres of land along a 116 mile stretch of the river.

end snip

50 posted on 04/21/2014 2:54:12 PM PDT by deport
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