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Too Many Federal Agencies Have Created Their Own Private Armies
TRNS ^ | April 21, 2014 | By Ernest Istook

Posted on 04/21/2014 5:02:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Does the Environmental Protection Agency really need armed agents? Outside of law enforcement, federal agencies now employ over 25,000 people as armed agents. They are more than guards. They’ve become like private armies that can push around private citizens.

Over 70 non-military federal agencies now have their own armed agents.

You expect armed agents with the FBI, the U.S. Marshal Service and the Border Patrol.

But the EPA? The Fish & Wildlife Service, Bureau of Land Management, even the Social Security Administration and the National Institutes of Health? Even the Department of Education and the Department of Housing and Urban Development have their own armed agents.

As do the Food and Drug Administration. And Veterans Affairs. Even the Government Printing Office and the National Zoo. And of course the Library of Congress

Collectively, over 25,000 individuals now work as armed agents of federal agencies not usually associated with law enforcement.

These are not just guards. These agents go out on raids to enforce the orders of federal bureaucracies. No bureaucracy should have a private army to enforce its orders against the American people.


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1 posted on 04/21/2014 5:02:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

This is of grave concern to me.


2 posted on 04/21/2014 5:03:21 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is of grave concern to me.


3 posted on 04/21/2014 5:03:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Not sure how that happened. Sorry.


4 posted on 04/21/2014 5:03:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

ditto


5 posted on 04/21/2014 5:04:40 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Jim Robinson

Federal, state and local agencies have become the fourth branch of government.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 5:05:15 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Jim Robinson

“Monkey see, monkey do” is a partial explanation. Or, maybe, pistol envy. But there’s also something else at work here.


7 posted on 04/21/2014 5:07:46 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Jim Robinson

I think much of the ammo purchases are black ops that are sending ammo in to be fired in the guns of fast and furious.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 5:08:17 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Jim Robinson
buncha gear queers all dressed up and looking for someplace to go...
9 posted on 04/21/2014 5:10:33 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: trisham

It should be of grave concern to ALL citizens. These paramilitary armed agents exist solely to intimidate and frighten the peasants into submission.


10 posted on 04/21/2014 5:10:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Jim Robinson

As the increase their armed forces, they seek to constrain our possession of arms. The intent is clear.


11 posted on 04/21/2014 5:12:30 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Jim Robinson
How legal are the use of these "private armies" to enforce a federal rule/law/regulation? Steve Stockman didn't think the BLM had the authority. He claims they must use local law enforcement.

GOP lawmaker urges BLM to stop illegal ‘paramilitary raids’ against rancher
12 posted on 04/21/2014 5:12:40 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: Jim Robinson
"No bureaucracy should have a private army to enforce its orders against the American people."

Bears repeating.

13 posted on 04/21/2014 5:12:43 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: umgud

I disagree. They are a paramilitary extension of the executive branch. If I were president, the first thing I would do is order the disbanding of ALL of them and order them to turn in all firearms and military hardware to the nearest military base equipped to handle them.


14 posted on 04/21/2014 5:13:53 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I fear for my country. I fear for my fellow citizens...low information or not. I fear there will be an uprising and it will be bad. But, I am not afraid for liberty and good to shine once more from our shores. This is America. And we are Americans. If we must go through hard times to find our way back to God, good...then so be it. The Tree of Liberty.


15 posted on 04/21/2014 5:14:04 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (waiting for my Magic 8 ball to give me an answer)
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To: umgud

I wonder if the enabling laws setting up these federal agencies give them the power to arm themselves this way, or to carry out armed activities against citizens. This is becoming the civilian police force that Obama said he wanted when he ran his first presidential campaign. He’s doing it without legislation from Congress.


16 posted on 04/21/2014 5:16:09 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: Blood of Tyrants

At the very least.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 5:16:12 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson


18 posted on 04/21/2014 5:17:29 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Jim Robinson

Clearly, they’ve got a lot more money than they need in their budgets. This would be a great area to start reducing the federal deficit.


19 posted on 04/21/2014 5:17:48 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Avid Coug

I would like to see a bill proposed by GOP leadership in the House, requiring the disarming of all non-military federal agencies, except the CIA, FBI, and Federal Marshalls.


20 posted on 04/21/2014 5:19:46 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: Jim Robinson

Meanwhile, we send our military personnel and Border Patrol Agents into harm’s way without ammunition or without authority to defend themselves.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 5:20:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Jim Robinson

This isn’t just an Obama thing, This began under Clinton and was continued under Bush and Obama. I remember when Clinton was in office and he authorized the poultry inspectors at the FDA to carry firearms on the job. What were they expecting? An armed revolt by the chickens?


22 posted on 04/21/2014 5:22:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Socialism always fails, always. The feral grubment won’t survive. The house of cards will fall. Just a matter of time.


23 posted on 04/21/2014 5:22:19 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Jim Robinson

A big part of my concern is from the fact that the LEOs at the Bundy Ranch seemed very much ready to open fire if so ordered.


24 posted on 04/21/2014 5:22:37 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jim Robinson

Department of Education??


25 posted on 04/21/2014 5:24:40 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Jim Robinson
Kinda makes you wonder if Obama thinks that the American citizen is the enemy?

Consider all the recent stories of customer credit card numbers being stolen. Where is the NSA? Aren't they supposed to be snooping this kind of thing out?

Oh, that's right. They're not snooping on America's enemies. They're snooping on Americans!

-PJ

26 posted on 04/21/2014 5:27:01 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Girlene

There is absolutely no constitutional authority for unelected federal bureaucracies to write laws binding the people or the states. And there is absolutely no constitutional authority for them to be armed against the people or the states.

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

And their legislative powers only to those items enumerated and delegated to it by the constitution.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


27 posted on 04/21/2014 5:27:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: cardinal4; Jim Robinson

Mark Steyn pointed out in one of his recent articles that the Department of Education, which doesn’t employ a single teacher, does have its own SWAT army.


28 posted on 04/21/2014 5:27:34 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson
No doubt these obscure Federal agencies now have SWAT teams and Mine Resistant Anti-Personnel carriers.


29 posted on 04/21/2014 5:28:19 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: cardinal4
Department of Education?

Oh, my yes. They're to "protect" the public against student loan fraud. These Guys

If it had happened to me I'd be inclined to open fire next time I even saw anyone in a SWAT getup. Might as well - not much to lose.

30 posted on 04/21/2014 5:29:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Jim Robinson

I believe they were testing the waters with the Bundy Ranch situation. I now expect there will be a even harder, and most likely as quiet as possible, push to disarm the American people.


31 posted on 04/21/2014 5:31:34 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: JoeProBono
Jack-booted monkeys pic bump.

See here ---> rule #8 of top ten gun safety tips.

Or see tagline same/same

32 posted on 04/21/2014 5:31:39 PM PDT by BlueDragon (No matter how responsible he may seem, never give your gun to a monkey)
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To: Jim Robinson

25,000 Vs. how many millions? Another Waco and millions of Americans will die, and 25,000 of them armed federal agents. It will be bloody and ugly, but there will be no more federal agents, or agencies, or federal government.

I hope they continue to back down as the BLM folks did. War does not appeal to me.


33 posted on 04/21/2014 5:36:15 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is Trouble, with a capital T


34 posted on 04/21/2014 5:36:53 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

““Monkey see, monkey do” is a partial explanation. Or, maybe, pistol envy. But there’s also something else at work here.”

Budget justification, for the most part.

They lobby for the SWAT budget, and bury it deep in the request.
Then they have to justify the continued funding of it, year after year.


35 posted on 04/21/2014 5:38:53 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Jim Robinson

And ever notice, the two hundred federal agents with M-16s, swat gear, out to crush crime never seem to find their way to South Chicago?

Too busy going after a nice peaceful rancher.


36 posted on 04/21/2014 5:39:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I can see Fish and Wildlife They are in the woods, so they need weapons for defense from wild animals. They are also writing citations to armed hunters and speeding and sometime drunken boaters. The EPA, BLM should go through local law enforcement. Why any of the following would need armed agents that are not just security guards is beyond me:
37 posted on 04/21/2014 5:41:17 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: cardinal4

Why not. In Los Angeles, the LAUSD has swat teams with MP5s. I personally saw them practicing. Full auto machine pistols for school police teams.


38 posted on 04/21/2014 5:41:44 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: SkyPilot

Those guys are dressed up as terrorists.


39 posted on 04/21/2014 5:43:11 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Political Junkie Too; Jim Robinson
"Kinda makes you wonder if Obama thinks that the American citizen is the enemy?"

But did this start just under Obama? or has "armed agent creep" been going on for awhile?

Now would be a good time for Congress to review the necessity of armed agents in each of these agencies.

40 posted on 04/21/2014 5:44:02 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s just one big standing army with many divisions, and they all march to the same tune. We are their enemy.


41 posted on 04/21/2014 5:45:02 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Political Junkie Too
They're not snooping on America's enemies. They're snooping on Americans!

You are conflating a government called the 'United State of America' with a people called "Americans". So, in that regard, the entity "USA" is snooping on the USA's enemies, which happen to the Americans.

42 posted on 04/21/2014 5:45:28 PM PDT by semantic
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To: Jim Robinson

This should be something all Americans are against. Right or Left.

The Left love it as long as it promotes their causes, but they better believe someday they’ll be victims, too.


43 posted on 04/21/2014 5:46:29 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: VRWC For Truth
The feral grubment won’t survive. The house of cards will fall. Just a matter of time.

Exactly, which is why I don't understand the confused support over US action in Ukraine. Ukraine (and Iraq, Libya & Syria before it) is all about maintaining dollar hegemony. Without reserve status, the USA's ability to finance itself via printing money out of thin air 'evaporates' (pun intended).

The USA is so overstretched it cannot possibly meet all its obligations simply through economic activity and taxation. Like Germans opposed to the Reich, we should all be praying for the day the petro-dollar dies and we are freed from oppressive tyranny.

44 posted on 04/21/2014 5:51:10 PM PDT by semantic (,)
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To: Jim Robinson

The agency heads are now minor warlords. The government is corrupt and beyond reform because the character of most of the people within our borders is beyond reform.


45 posted on 04/21/2014 5:52:05 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
... If I were president, the first thing I would do is order the disbanding of ALL of them and order them to turn in all firearms and military hardware to the nearest military base equipped to handle them.

Which is why you'll never be president. You're not willing to continue the ongoing march towards Leninism/Marxism that has been happening since the 16th and 17th Amendments.

46 posted on 04/21/2014 5:53:27 PM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: Jim Robinson
In obama's own words:
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Barack Hussein Obama, 7/2/2008
He doesn’t call it a Civil Defense force, that would imply we need (or perhaps that we deserve) defense.

The official name is National Civilian Community Corps. I think of it as the NATCCC, or more simply as the NatCs...

47 posted on 04/21/2014 5:55:13 PM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No surprise. The dictator said it all before when he talked about a domestic force as strong as the military. All the cultist LIVs clapped.
The Lincoln movie and the comparison with the dictator, the bullet buys, armored vehicles for police, the rise of SWAT raids, the highest per capita rate of incarceration in the world.
CW2 seems like an inevitability.


48 posted on 04/21/2014 5:55:15 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good.


49 posted on 04/21/2014 5:55:22 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Blood of Tyrants

These paramilitary armed agents exist solely to intimidate and frighten the peasants into submission................................ Ever think about how many armed agents working for the government agencies are here on this site as members? The job descriptions may warrant it? Wildlife? You can’t shake a bell to chase a charging grizzly. Terrorists will strike any place that draws large crowds or a place (site, i.e. Brooklyn Bridge, Statue of Liberty, Metropolitan Art Museum, Lincoln Monument, Hoover Dam, or the new WTC.) that will draw attention and make the front page or the 6 O’clock news. There are loads of Crusaders Criminals and Crazies out there to be protected from. BTW,I was pulled over for speeding by a wildlife officer on a regular road. I never knew they could issue tickets. Luckily he was a vet and saw my retired sticker. Even Brinks and Wells Fargo have their own army. Maybe I should worry, who knows the USPS may also have their own army, God Forbid.


50 posted on 04/21/2014 5:59:23 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (2016 an election or a coronation of a Queen?)
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