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Ethanol Impact on Feed Prices
American Cattleman ^ | Renewable Fuels Association

Posted on 04/21/2014 6:37:22 PM PDT by Walt Griffith

Ethanol Impact on Feed Prices

Written By: Renewable Fuels Association

Fueled by its desire for conflict, and a well-funded and organized public relations blitz by food and livestock industries, the media has spent a great deal of time in the past two years trying to portray an epic battle between America’s need for renewable alternatives to gasoline and its role as breadbasket to world.

Despite unsupported and hysterical claims, the battle between ethanol production and food and feed resources is not a battle at all. In fact, it is a symbiotic relationship that promises to provide long term financial gain for livestock and ethanol producers alike. First, it is critical that all sides in the debate agree to the facts. Ethanol production from corn is not leading to a shortage of grain for livestock feed. Quite the opposite is true. Because ethanol production produces both fuel and livestock feed, its quickly becoming a driving market force in the location and production of beef and dairy cattle.

Specifically, the production of ethanol from corn requires just the starch in each kernel. In the dry mill ethanol process, the entire corn kernel or other starchy grain is ground into flour (or “meal”) and processed without separation of the various nutritional component parts of the grain. The meal is slurried with water to form a “mash.” Enzymes are added to the mash, which is then processed in a high-temperature cooker, cooled and transferred to fermenters where yeast is added and the conversion of sugar to ethanol begins.

After fermentation, the resulting “beer” is transferred to distillation columns where the ethanol is separated from the remaining “stillage.” The stillage is sent through a centrifuge that separates the coarse grain from the solubles. The solubles are then concentrated ....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agitprop; corn; energy; ethanol; globalwarminghoax; ipcc; livestock; memebuilding; ntsa; opec; zero
You should consider what would happen if Russia cuts oil supplies to Europe and Iran gets the bomb to shut down the Saudi Oil Fields. Then you can worry about World Hunger. The Central United State will no longer be able to produce Corn, Wheat, Soybeans, Pork and Livestock in abudance. You will then wish we had figured out how to produce alternative source of energy to accomplish need work. Unfortunately we have forces in our Country that want to shut down production of needed fuels and research in the name of compassion. You figure out, I can't.

Because there is an ethanol dicussion. The professor does not seem to be aware of the fact that the ethanol sold in Nebraska has in the last few weeks been downgraded from 87 octane base to 83 octane base. The result in my 2008 Grand Prix is a reduiction from 31 MPG to 23 MPG on the highway. I am sure that this is a dirtier fuel since the oil companies have removed the refining process'/ingridients that broght the base product up to 87 octane before adding the alcohol. My last fillup was with 89 octane in hopes of regainning some milleage. I also have two other vehicles that the MPG has been greatly reduced.

WEG

1 posted on 04/21/2014 6:37:22 PM PDT by Walt Griffith
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To: Walt Griffith

Ethanol is a joke. We are now producing oil that would make us independent. Bakken— Midland— alone. obama has failed. But no new refineries in 40 years? We need a new government. This old one is real bad.


2 posted on 04/21/2014 6:52:16 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: Walt Griffith

Certainly the argument could be made that money made on ethanol actually subsidizes animal feed.

A rough rule is that a given weight of corn will produce one-third ethanol, one-third high protein animal feed, and one-third CO2.


3 posted on 04/21/2014 6:52:43 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Walt Griffith
The ethanol boondoggle exists solely on massive government subsidies all along the line from planting the seed to putting it in your gas tank. Without these government subsidies, tax credits, low interest loans, gasoline tax breaks etc, the entire ethanol “industry” would quickly collapse. It would be cheaper to just write a government check to corn farmers than subsidize this boondoggle.
4 posted on 04/21/2014 7:12:07 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: jjotto

I think the most important feature of ethanol is that at any time in the case of severe food shortage we could stop making it and we’d have a lot of surplus corn. Ethanol gives us a food buffer in case of war or famine.


5 posted on 04/21/2014 7:35:33 PM PDT by Hardslab
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To: The Great RJ

“exists solely on massive government subsidies all along the line from planting the seed to putting it in your gas tank”

No not really. The land will be farmed and grain produced ethanol or not.
And the direct ethanol subsidies are now gone. There is a mandate to use ethanol; but no direct subsidy.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 7:44:00 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Hardslab

When the SHTF, I’m sure all American heroes are going to band together and operate oil refineries because it’s so much more efficient than making biomass ethanol or biodiesel.


7 posted on 04/21/2014 7:47:33 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Walt Griffith

This article comes as no surprise to those who have actually bothered to be informed on the scientific numbers relating to ethanol.

There are a lot of good arguments against ethanol.

Energy efficiency and grain supply are not among them.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 8:10:56 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: jjotto
A rough rule is that a given weight of corn will produce one-third ethanol, one-third high protein animal feed, and one-third CO2.

In all of the arguments to date that I've seen against ethanol, every one throws out the 1/3 high protein animal feed.

Instead, for purposes of advancing their sides argument, they assume that 1/3 to simply be landfill material, and of no value to anyone.

In actual large scale animal experiments done by universities, that 1/3 is sometimes as high as 1/2.

9 posted on 04/21/2014 8:16:27 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Lots of folks think we’re wasting food on fuel. Vegans think we’re wasting food for people on animals.

The use of lots of products is mandated by the gov’t; sanitary sewers, hardhats, catalytic converters, etc. Somewhere I missed the outrage at people who produce those things...


10 posted on 04/21/2014 10:38:50 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

None of those things screw up gas mileage or ruin engines. I would like to use gas in my car, lawnmower, etc.


11 posted on 04/22/2014 1:32:48 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: SADMILLIE; P-Marlowe

As this article points out, ethanol is just another product made from corn. After the ethanol is produced, using only the starch, the remaining grain is still almost totally there. From it they get corn oil and a large quantity of livestock feed. It is no different than getting the corn starch out of corn and then using the remainder to feed out cattle.

In that light, the only remaining problem I’d have with ethanol production would be government price supports.

Farmers and processors should be free to break down the corn in any way they wish (whiskey?) and sell it on the open market in whatever form(s) they think will bring them the best return.


12 posted on 04/22/2014 1:53:48 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Walt Griffith; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; NFHale; Bender2; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

Ethanol sucks, this is a propaganda piece.


13 posted on 04/22/2014 4:54:31 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Walt Griffith

I’ve read recently that the EPA is cracking down in distillers and brewers and make it harder to sell the distillers grains as animal feed. Wonder if the same holds true for distillers of ethanol for fuel?


14 posted on 04/22/2014 4:59:36 AM PDT by IamConservative
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To: Walt Griffith
ethanol sold in Nebraska has in the last few weeks been downgraded from 87 octane base to 83 octane base

Could you provide some more information on that? I thought ethanol was 113 octane.

15 posted on 04/22/2014 5:22:42 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Impy; sickoflibs; NFHale; Bender2; BillyBoy

Ethanol is a huge orgy for the corn industry...meaning we’re getting f****d in the form of higher food prices, lower MPG, damage to “older” internal combustion engines, etc, etc...

Using food for fuel, what a wonderful idea!!!


16 posted on 04/23/2014 6:58:51 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Khent is not stable... be advised...)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy; sickoflibs; Bender2; BillyBoy

“...Using food for fuel, what a wonderful idea!!!..”

It’s a brilliant idea - because it’s doing exactly what it was intended to do. Drive up the prices of everything.


17 posted on 04/23/2014 7:47:26 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; GOPsterinMA; Impy; Bender2; BillyBoy; Gilbo_3
RE “...Using food for fuel, what a wonderful idea!!!..”
......
It’s a brilliant idea - because it’s doing exactly what it was intended to do. Drive up the prices of everything.”

Good point, food prices ARE going up under Obama...just likew health care.

But is it really Obama? Or is it those greedy businesses and those racists who are against immigration reform driving them up? And greedy health care companies driving up health care prices. Fo profit,’

Obama wants mo $$$ for food stamps to compensate.
And increase minimum wage.
He has policies to help the little guy, he and Liz Warren.
They are fighting hunger in America.
They are trying.
They care for us.’

See how their game works ?

18 posted on 04/23/2014 9:51:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; Impy; Bender2; BillyBoy; Gilbo_3

“..See how their game works ?...”

All too well, brother.

All each one of us can do is educate those within our immediate sphere of influence. So we do it.

And you direct them to alternate media sources so they can make up their own mind. Some will, some won’t. It is what it is.

Just like teaching people to shoot. You train them one at a time, and give them the skillset to be able to USE the new toolset, and they get educated about a couple things: their rights... the tool itself (overcome fear with personal knowledge)... and exactly WHO the enemy is and why they’re trying to stop you from exercising a Right.


19 posted on 04/23/2014 11:05:17 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; GOPsterinMA; Impy; sickoflibs; Bender2; BillyBoy
i guess i missed the part where this abundance of cattle food naturally triples the price of beef...???

and all this *free* fuel is doing wonders for gas prices too...

not to mention the devastation to all the lawn /garden equipment if it sits for more than a month with that sh!t in the tank...

20 posted on 04/24/2014 1:47:17 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; sickoflibs; Bender2; BillyBoy

Yes, I pointed that out earlier in this thread. Jerks.


21 posted on 04/24/2014 1:21:53 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Khent is not stable... be advised...)
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