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Atheists Strong Arm Wrestling Team over Bible Verse
radio.foxnews.com ^ | April 22, 2014 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 04/22/2014 5:24:04 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012

Hulk Hogan once said, “I fear no man, no beast or evil, brother.”

And the wrestlers at South High School in Parkersburg, W.Va. fear no atheist.

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The teenage grapplers are staring down the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based atheist group outraged because the team wears t-shirts bearing a Bible verse.

“I can do all things through Him that strengthens me.” That’s the verse emblazoned across the back of the shirt. The motto was also posted on the team’s website. Until now.

“We asked them to take it down,” said Pat Law, the superintendent of the Wood County school district. “We have to follow the law – whatever that law might be. We’re going to be certain that everyone’s rights are being protected.

Law told me the team had been using the motto for at least 10 years without any complaint – until he received the letter from the FFRF. He said the group alleges the shirts violate the separation of church and state.

However, Bill Merriman, an attorney representing one of the wrestlers and his parents, told me the shirts are perfectly legal.

“It’s not part of the official uniform,” Merriman said. “If a student athlete doesn’t want to wear that shirt, they don’t have to. It’s not a requirement. It’s not part of the official uniform.”

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Why is everyone so afraid of FFR? Just ignore them.
1 posted on 04/22/2014 5:24:04 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
The issues of God, His sovereignty, and our need for salvation are THE critical issues of our very existence.

These cannot simply be "ignored." The message of God is either embraced, or silenced and wiped out.

That is the lesson from history.

2 posted on 04/22/2014 5:28:18 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

FFR is doing a good job of silencing. And those that buckle are just as bad.


3 posted on 04/22/2014 5:29:57 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Wear the shirts! Make them send armed government agents to tear them off the wrestlers’ backs. Print more shorts for the Christian students who aren’t on the team.

The time to become Crusaders is here.


4 posted on 04/22/2014 5:30:35 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Wisconsin-based atheist group outraged because the team wears t-shirts bearing a Bible verse. “I can do all things through Him that strengthens me.” That’s the verse emblazoned across the back of the shirt.

Suppose the 'Him' is Obama? Would you be okay with the slogan, THEN?


5 posted on 04/22/2014 5:31:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Bryanw92

Exactly!


6 posted on 04/22/2014 5:32:21 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

The money quote from the article ...

“We have to follow the law – whatever that law might be.”

That’s so ... 1930s German, doncha think?


7 posted on 04/22/2014 5:37:25 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
We’re going to be certain that everyone’s rights are being protected.

No, Superintendent Woods, you most emphatically are *NOT* protecting everyone's rights. The students have a *RIGHT* to "the free exercise thereof," or have you forgotten? If you are too dull-witted to understand *THAT*, then we can most certainly get by without your continued 'services' as Superintendent...

the infowarrior

8 posted on 04/22/2014 5:39:09 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: ilovesarah2012

Does the shirt had the words or does it add the citation? I’d fight this. If it is just the words I would find words written by FFR that are also in Bible and point out that they are using biblical phrases in their communications.


9 posted on 04/22/2014 5:39:17 AM PDT by Portcall24 (aer)
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To: Westbrook

“We have to follow the law – whatever that law might be.”

Aren’t liberals hilarious...

1. DOMA
2. CA Prop 8
3. Immigration Law


10 posted on 04/22/2014 5:45:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Westbrook
“We have to follow the law – whatever that law might be.”

The law regarding religious beliefs is:

The government cannot "prohibit the free exercise thereof"

(See 1A dimwits)

11 posted on 04/22/2014 5:47:32 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Lazamataz

Indeed. Suppose the building falls down on their heads?


12 posted on 04/22/2014 5:52:51 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

> The government cannot “prohibit the free exercise thereof”

Exactly! And exercise is what you DO, not just what you think.

What I was referring to was that the remark indicates a willingness to submit to capricious interpretation of the law, so that it may be applied selectively and perfidiously.

For example, no such imposition is made on Moslems. In fact, they are give special facilities in the schools to perform their foot washing and 5-times-per-day prayers. There is no restriction of which I am aware on ostentatious Moslem vestments or symbology.

This is capricious and perfidious application of the law according to the silly interpretations made by the Warren court back int he 1960s.


13 posted on 04/22/2014 5:55:17 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Not atheists. Anti-theists.


14 posted on 04/22/2014 5:56:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: infowarrior

It looks to me like the FFRF is the one whose rights are being protected.


15 posted on 04/22/2014 6:11:23 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Westbrook

The Constitution of the United States gives us freedom to express our religious beliefs. No “law” tops that.


16 posted on 04/22/2014 6:15:42 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

I love Todd Starnes. Wish he had a Fox show.


17 posted on 04/22/2014 6:16:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

> The Constitution of the United States gives us freedom to
> express our religious beliefs. No “law” tops that.

No, but the tortured interpretations of the screwy SCOTUS are what is being imposed, and most selectively upon Christians.

Moslems are the most free to express their satanic death cult.

Jews have become less free in recent years.

But Christians are the most lmited in their expression.


18 posted on 04/22/2014 6:18:47 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

We are limited only because we have let ourselves be limited. Time to stand up and just say “no” to the atheists.


19 posted on 04/22/2014 6:22:01 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

> We are limited only because we have let ourselves be
> limited. Time to stand up and just say “no” to the atheists.

YES!

And we DO have the Constitutional authority to do so, twisted interpretations of 1A by the SCOTUS notwithsdanding.

It’s amazing that for almost 200 years, no SCOTUS ever saw the 1A the way the Warren and subsequent SCOTUS did.


20 posted on 04/22/2014 6:25:43 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

Islam needs to be declared a subversive organization and death cult, with their “the free exercise thereof” banned outright.


21 posted on 04/22/2014 6:25:56 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

> Islam needs to be declared a subversive organization and
> death cult, with their “the free exercise thereof” banned
> outright.

Islam is Tyranny.

Sedition and intrigue performed to impose Tyranny is NOT constitutionally protected.

Rebellion against Tyranny is Constitutionally mandated.


22 posted on 04/22/2014 6:27:57 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: oldtech

Google where these FFRF jerks live & make them know fear. Seriously.


23 posted on 04/22/2014 6:31:59 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: ilovesarah2012

because of being bankrupted with frivolous lawsuits


24 posted on 04/22/2014 6:38:06 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I won’t blame those that buckle, because it can be very costly to fight these type of suits. Plus, far too many judges are leftists, so you’re unlikely to get the suits tossed out without first fighting a losing fight and then having to appeal until you reach a court that still has a modicum of respect for the 1st Amendment. The Supreme Court itself is a toss up on these kinds of suits, as they’ve totally failed to define a clear standard based on the abundantly clear free speech and religion protections in the Bill of Rights.


25 posted on 04/22/2014 6:49:54 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: ilovesarah2012; SkyPilot; Alex Murphy; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; ...
The myth is that the First Amendment means the gov. cannot give any official sanction to religion, or favor one over the other. But the reality is that the moral laws of a nation are always based on beliefs, from what constitutes marriage to fair trading.

And the laws of America reflects Judeo-Christian beliefs of Founders, who often enlist, quote or allude to the Bible for support, and which implicitly sanctions not only religion but one basic religion than another.

Alexis de Tocqueville in his "Democracy in America" states,

Professor Perry Miller of Harvard University wrote in 1956:

Puritanism may be described empirically as that point of view, that code of values, carried to New England by the first settlers. […] The New Englanders established Puritanism—for better or worse—as one of the continuous factors in American life and thought. It has played so dominant a role…all across the continent…these qualities have persisted even though the original creed is lost. Without an understanding of Puritanism…there is no understanding of America.[54]

Patriot Benjamin Rush, one of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence, stated, "The Old Testament is the best refutation that can be given to the divine right of kings, and the strongest argument that can be used in favor of the original and natural equality of all mankind.

Alexis de Tocqueville (1805—1859. French political thinker and historian; best known for his two volume, “Democracy in America”) The sects that exist in the United States are innumerable. They all differ in respect to the worship which is due to the Creator; but they all agree in respect to the duties which are due from man to man. Each sect adores the Deity in its own peculiar manner, but all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God...Moreover, all the sects of the United States are comprised within the great unity of Christianity, and Christian morality is everywhere the same...

In the United States the sovereign authority is religious, and consequently hypocrisy must be common; but there is no country in the whole world in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility, and of its conformity to human nature, than that its influence is most powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth...

There is certainly no country in the world where the tie of marriage is more respected than in America or where conjugal happiness is more highly or worthily appreciated...

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other; and with them this conviction does not spring from that barren traditionary faith which seems to vegetate in the soul rather than to live...

Thus religious zeal is perpetually warmed in the United States by the fires of patriotism. These men do not act exclusively from a consideration of a future life; eternity is only one motive of their devotion to the cause. If you converse with these missionaries of Christian civilization, you will be surprised to hear them speak so often of the goods of this world, and to meet a politician where you expected to find a priest.

There are certain populations in Europe whose unbelief is only equaled by their ignorance and their debasement, while in America one of the freest and most enlightened nations in the world fulfills all the outward duties of religion with fervor.

Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country. (Democracy in America, [New York: A. S. Barnes & Co., 1851), pp. 331, 332, 335, 336-7, 337; http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/religion/ch1_17.htm) More .

By FFR standards the Founders were violators of the First Amendment. If they want a quote war, we have history on our side, but too many judges compel the Founders to conform to the ideology of the secular "seminaries" and political ethos of recent times.

As in times past, this is a reflection of the "cultural religion" of the present electorate, as they directly or indirectly elect the interpreters of the Constitution.

And as we are seduced by the lusts of this world, which are promoted by the pervasive, persuasive, and increasingly perverted educational system and media, and away from the purity, power and passion of NT evangelical Christianity, then we will continue to see them both seduced by the specious promises of politician, and elect representatives that reflect a post-Christian America. Which is a nation of values, but which has a source, from either Heaven or Hell.

Which type of declension and what will; follow is not new, as said the prophet Hosea of old.

Israel shall cry unto me, My God, we know thee. Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him. (Hosea 8:2-3)

They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off. (Hosea 8:4)

I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing. (Hosea 8:12)

For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced cities: but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof. (Hosea 8:14)

Let me therefore close with the sometimes prophetic words of Daniel Webster.

And let me say, gentlemen, that if we and our posterity shall be true to the Christian religion, if we and they shall live always in the fear of God, and shall respect His commandments, if we and they shall maintain just moral sentiments and such conscientious convictions of duty as shall control the heart and life, we may have the highest hopes of the future fortunes of our country; and if we maintain those institutions of government and that political union, exceeding all praise as much as it exceeds all former examples of political associations,...It will go on prospering and to prosper.

But if we and our posterity reject religious institutions and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifile with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity. Should that catastrophe happen, let it have no history! (“The Dignity and Importance of History,” address to the Historical Society of New York, February 23, 1852. Source: Shewmaker, 130-137 http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dwebster/speeches/dignity-history.html

The following quote is very similar to the above, and apparently first appeared in the Annual Report of the Massachusetts Bible Society (1870), p. 27, and perhaps was a condensed paraphrase of the above, expressing its thought:

If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.

The next quote perhaps lacks early attribution, as the earliest source I have found is from a compilation of quotes first published in 1908, and without details of when and where it was said (such details I suspect were not a priority in that era):

If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be;

If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy; If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will;

If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end." (Tryon Edwards, “A Dictionary of Thoughts: Being a Cyclopedia of Laconic Quotations from the Best Authors of the World, Both Ancient and Modern ,“1908. p. 49)

Lastly, our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be trusted on any other foundation than religious principle, nor any government be secure which is not supported by moral habits.... Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.” (Daniel Webster, “The life, eulogy, and great orations of Daniel Webster,” 1854, p. 49)

Finally, let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers were brought hither by their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate its principles with the elements of their society, and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political, or literary. Let us cherish these sentiments, and extend this influence still more widely; in full conviction that that is the happiest society which partakes in the highest degree of the mild and peaceful spirit of Christianity. (Daniel Webster, “The life, eulogy, and great orations of Daniel Webster,” p. 51)


26 posted on 04/22/2014 6:57:15 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I can do all things through Him that strengthens me
________________________________________

Him ??? Him who ???

Its not as though the students are identifying the Him who is doing that strengthening..

Like the verse in the Christian Bible (KJV) states..

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Philippians 4:13

The him on the shirts could be anyone...

HEY maybe even Obama...

:)


27 posted on 04/22/2014 8:05:03 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ilovesarah2012

I can do all things through Him that strengthens me
________________________________________

Him ??? Him who ???

Its not as though the students are identifying the Him who is doing that strengthening..

Like the verse in the Christian Bible (KJV) states..

I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Philippians 4:13

The him on the shirts could be anyone...

HEY maybe even Obama...

:)


28 posted on 04/22/2014 8:05:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ilovesarah2012
“We have to follow the law – whatever that law might be.

Translation: we are ignorant.



We’re going to be certain that everyone’s rights are being protected.

Translation: Except OUR right to FREE speech.

29 posted on 04/22/2014 9:55:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CitizenUSA
I won’t blame those that buckle, because it can be very costly to fight these type of suits.

Then don't fight them; ignore them.

Let the LAW do what ever it wants!

The FFR will THEN get a fight it CAN'T win!

30 posted on 04/22/2014 9:57:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Hulk Hogan once said, “I fear no man, no beast or evil, brother.”

Psalm 23.

31 posted on 04/22/2014 9:57:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyPilot
The message of God is either embraced, or silenced and wiped out.

Golly!

I wonder where THIS country is going.

(I know where it came from...)



Let the HISTORY department sponsor the wrestling team...


 
 
 
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In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

 
 
 

32 posted on 04/22/2014 10:00:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Wonderful. I need to save this. Thanks.


33 posted on 04/22/2014 10:29:18 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Elsie

I agree. Make them file suit against everybody every time. Ignore them. Why is that so hard?


34 posted on 04/22/2014 10:30:38 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
We’re going to be certain that everyone’s rights are being protected.

Except, of course, the rights of the wrestling team members.

35 posted on 04/22/2014 10:40:50 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Elsie
“We have to follow the law – whatever that law might be."

Unless, of course, that law happens to come from God,....then we absolutely reject it and don't want anybody else to follow it either..../s

I think I've heard this perspective before...

36 posted on 04/22/2014 5:27:34 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: daniel1212

Excellent post. Thanks for the research of this.


37 posted on 04/25/2014 10:06:52 AM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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