Skip to comments.The Truce Is Over: Ukraine President Urges Restart Of Military Action
Posted on 04/22/2014 10:15:21 AM PDT by tcrlaf
Ukraine's Acting President Turchynov appears to be calling for an official break in the "truce" deal...
-UKRAINE'S TURCHYNOV URGES RESTART OF ANTI-TERRORIST OPERATION -TURCHYNOV SAYS 'TERRORISTS' HOLDING EAST UKRAINE REGION HOSTAGE -TURCHYNOV SAYS EAST UKRAINE SEPARATISTS SUPPORTED BY RUSSIA So much for Joe Biden's peace-keeping salvation mission to Kiev...
Why is it that every time a US Govt representative shows up, someone ends up dead?
CIA chief visits, the coup government starts an armed attack. Biden visits, the coup government starts an armed attack.
Coincidence?? Does this tell us who is really running the show in Ukraine?
When I was a teenager I had a friend who was a little guy. Every time he drank he got a bug in his butt to get his ass kicked and would find the biggest guy in the room to do it for him.
Go ahead. Make my day.
AFP article now up on Yahoo News:
Ukraine president orders military operation restart against rebels
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Time Out! Time Back In!
Agencie France Press??? Or the BBC?
Your anti-American and pro-Russian war propaganda is very tiresome. Your comments completely ignore how the Russian military is violating numerous laws of war as they incite the pro-Russian and ethnic Russian Ukrainians to insurrection, treason, killing, and ethnic cleansing on non-Russians and Jews. You disregard how these same Russian and pro-Russian Ukrainian insurrectionists have absolutely refused to vacate the occupied government buildings and liberate the pro-Ukrainian government officials as required by the recent Geneva agreement. In other words, you are using this forum to assist the Russians in their efforts to propagate disinformation about the evetns in the Ukraine, and you use that disinformation in an effort to falsely claim the Ukrainian government has no moral or legal right to enforce its laws against the insurrectionists and the invading Russian war criminals with force as the circumstances warrants such use of force.
Oh, feel free to blow it out of the orifice of your choice...
If you don’t like the content, simply don’t comment.
It’s painfully OBVIOUS that you have nothing to add to a discussion of current events.
“At this point the EU/US need a Civil War because even they know there’s no way the crowd in Kiev is going to win any election”
I noted last night how the tone in U.S. Media had changed, and they were starting to note Obama’s complete foreign policy incompetence.
Then today, we get Ukraine starting the fighting again, just after another high-level US visit.
That isn’t a coincidence.
“Oh, feel free to blow it out of the orifice of your choice...”
“If you dont like the content, simply dont comment.”
“Its painfully OBVIOUS that you have nothing to add to a discussion of current events.”
You behave just like one of the arrogant Russian aggressors. When you are confronted with evidence you do not like, you INSULT, threaten, bluster, lie, and intimidate; just as Sloviansk’s self-appointed “People’s Mayor,” Vachislav Ponomaryov is doing now with Ostrovsky and the other journalists he is intimidating with force.
“You behave just like one of the arrogant Russian aggressors.”
Is that the best you can come up with?
I’ll be sure to mention that at the American Legion Poker Night tonight!!
Grow up, kid. (And you STILL haven’t contributed anything to the conversation. All you are doing is flaming like a 12 yr-old troll)
“That isnt a coincidence.”
Of course it is no coincidence, given how the Russian military command in the Ukraine led the pro-Russian separatists in deadly armed attacks to capture more Ukrainian government buildings in a complete abrogation of the Geneva agreement obligating the pro-Russian separatists to evacuate those government properties rather than make even more armed raids to capture more of them. We are taking note how you are deliberately omitting these facts to lead an anti-American and anti-Ukrainian disinformation campaign in support of these Russian war crimes.
“Ill be sure to mention that at the American Legion Poker Night tonight!!”
I know many of Lenin’s useful idiots for the Communists and the Democrats who spend their time down at the American Legion. Why should you be any different than them?
Russian Ukrainians aren’t Ukrainians now?
Isn’t that why the demonstrations started in the first place, when the coup leaders in Kiev demanded that Russian culture in Ukraine be wiped out?
Even if “Russian actors” are present, these things need reasons to begin.
Sure ya do, kid.
First a Vietnam War hero and now they send me this clown.
What did I do wrong?
“THEY’RE the a-holes who started this mess. Ukraine didn’t start anything, they just wanted to be left alone.”
Maidan never happened??? What color is the sky on your planet?
Isn’t it funny how Russia, surrounded by all these tiny countries, always seems to find a way to get “pushed around?” LOL
So you’re saying people have no right to remove incompetent leaders? The resulting government is “illegitimate”?
I guess that makes the USA illegitimate.
(Get over it, your Russian toadie Yanukovich got removed, so Putin’s plan to covertly subsume Ukraine is foiled - too bad)
“Russian Ukrainians arent Ukrainians now?”
Your resort to misrepresenting what was written to create a strawman argument is not going to work. Save you false propaganda tactic for people too stupid to see through your lies.
“Isnt that why the demonstrations started in the first place, when the coup leaders in Kiev demanded that Russian culture in Ukraine be wiped out?”
No, because your allegation is a lie. You claim there was a coup, when in fact no coup occurred. President Yanukovych abandoned his office and defected to the Russians to avoid criminal prosecution for his multitude of crimes, including treason. If Obama and Biden abandoned the White House and fled to Russia to avoid impeachment and Federal prosecution for High Crimes and Misdemeanors, that would not constitute a coup by Congress or the Republican Party no matter how many protestors were pounding on the gates of the White House or demonstrating on the steps of the Capitol building. Once again, you are simply using lies to propagate false propaganda that is supportive of the Russian aggressions against the Ukraine. It makes no difference who you are, where you are, or what you claim to be your political affiliations. What matters is how you act, and your actions constitute false propaganda favoring the Russian aggression.
“Even if ‘Russian actors’ are present, these things need reasons to begin.”
Your statement is in effect an apology for Russian aggression in violation of numerous laws of war and international agreements to refrain from the use of force. Again, it doesn’t matter who you are, when your actions support unlawful and immoral acts.
Your making me laugh, kid.
I have no personal stake in the outcome in Ukraine, unlike you, obviously.
I’m interested in the politics of it, and how things are playing out. This will have long-term effects far outside of Ukraine for decades to come.
But, I’ll give you credit. You have successfully stifled most discussion of actual facts on Ukraine threads with your constant flaming and trolling. Which was your point, wasn’t it?
Most won’t comment anymore, so they don’t have to deal with the incessant trolling. I could personally care less how many names you call me, because some facts run counter to Maidan propaganda. (It’s ALL propaganda, on all sides. remember that.)
I’ve got thick skin. Flame away, troll.
You can argue mute points all day long, and it won’t make any difference to the facts on the ground.
“Sure ya do, kid.”
Given the way in which you deliberately lie so often, you are beginning to give me the impression you are virtually a pathological liar. You deliberately neglected the truth of my age and experience in a propagandistic effort to be patronizing towards my comments. By doing so, you expose once again your disregard and disrespect for reality and the truth. So, you can save your false suggestons that i’m a “kid.”
As for you American Legion claim, one of the neighbors, for one example, is a Korean Conflict veteran, an infantryman, Democrat, racist who doesn’t like Blacks, isn’t interested in criticim of Obama because he is a Democrat, questions why we fought the Communists in Korea and Vietnam, and is a long standing member of the American Legion. He quit the NRA. He participated in the manufacture of the prototype M-16 rifles. He is opposed to civilians possessing AR-15 rifles. He is certainly one of Lenin’s useful idiots.
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Some people still think there are only two sides to every issue. That is why we are stuck with a two party system. There is always the choice of neither.
“You can argue mute points all day long, and it wont make any difference to the facts on the ground.”
All you are saying is the truth does not matter to you, so you just continue with the lies and misrepresentations in the hope you can sway opinions by emotion if not by fact. You have referenced the definition of a Coup détat and then proceeded to ignore that definition to repeat your lie. Where is there any evidence President Yanukovych was removed from office by a Coup détat? Answer, there is no such evidence, because he was not removed from office by force. President Yanukovych removed himself from office by fleeing from the Ukraine and defecting to provide treasonous service to Russia. The lawfully elected government of the Ukraine is the parliament and its lawfully elected Deputies. If anyone can be justly accused of committing a Coup détat, it would be President Yanukovich and his multitude of usrpations of the powers limted by the Ukrainian constitutions. so, the “facts on the ground” as you call them is that there has been no Coup détat perpetrated against Yanukovych, and the present government of the Ukraine is based upon the laws of the Ukraine and its lawfully elected Deputies in the parliament. You false propaganda to the contrary is without any valid basis.
Poland is calling for the EU to create an energy union to share energy resources among the 28 states to secure energy independence from Russian intimidation aginst energy supplies.
Might be a good idea. One that is at least a decade away, especially once the Euro Enviro-weenies get involved.
As Germany has learned the hard way, it is no simple task to build even simple gas storage, now that those Environuts have an almost free reign.
I could care less what or who started this entire mess in the Ukraine...
I am more worried about what O-Bozo is going to do next to screw up things even more than he already has.....
Putin took advantage of the situation, took what was critical to Russia out of the game, and is laughing at all the trash talk about "evil Russians". It's nothing but schoolyard taunts to try and convince Putin he can and should take over Eastern Ukraine because the pro-Russians there are so active. Half the people in the Ukraine call relatives in Russia on a regular basis because they're family. "Covert Russian operatives" aren't a problem for the coup crowd in Kiev, their fellow Ukrainians are a problem for them. The average Ukrainian just won't shut up and let the elite who refused to wait on elections tell the ignorant masses what's best for them. They're not a bit different than the King Barry court in DC, they just have to deal with a larger percentage of the population being willing to stand up to their armed thugs than King Barry has to deal with.
Besides, the Ukrainians in the East don't need any Russian aid, all the units the Kiev government sends in to smack them down defect from the government and join the locals.
Buy a clue, if their own troops won't fight for the government in Kiev, the Kiev crowd are desperate to find someone stupid enough to rush in and start killing the Ukrainians the Kiev coup crowd want killed. The very LAST thing the gang in Kiev, the EU, and the US, want is for the scheduled elections to actually take place.
That's why they didn't just wait a few months for elections in the first place, they knew they wouldn't win and the EU has them by the naughty bits so they better deliver. Think about it, the reason the "government" in Kiev isnt coming down hard on groups like Right Sector is because they need them to protect themselves. What the government in Kiev is really afraid of is a "terrorist incident" blowing the "the leadership" away and they know damn well it would be someone other than Russians making it happen.
People who don't study history are condemned to repeat it.
People who are so gullible they refuse to admit what their own government is capable of end up like average German in WWII; wondering how their righteous deeds suddenly turned into a real war with half the planet working to blow them away.
The EU thought they could be brilliant grifters and the mark would never even know what hit them. It didn't work because Putin made a deal for real debt relief and a huge discount on energy prices. Even the dolt in charge of the Ukraine at the time could see it was a better deal than the EU giving out a few Europas Rail Passes and an official You're European Now, Baby" reusable shopping bags. The EU screwed up the Ukraine, let them fix it.
We have a strategic interest in Nigeria.
We have a strategic interest in Syria.
We have no strategic interest in Ukraine.
But oddly enough, King Barry and Rambo Biden are beating the war-drums over the Ukraine?
Muzzies in Nigeria and Syria are murdering men, women, and children, who won't deny they're Christian and become Muslim by he hundreds and thousands. If people in this country want the vicarious thrill of watching someone fighting real evil bastards on their behalf, they should be on their soapboxes screaming about why we aren't saving Christians in countries where we do have strategic interests, not about the bill for thirty years of screw-ups in the Ukraine coming due.
So youre saying people have no right to remove incompetent leaders?
Y”eah they do. Thats what elections are for.”
Yes, and it was the Deputies of the parliament lawfully elected by the citizens of the Ukraine before President Yanukovych abandoned his dubiously elected office and treasonously defected to his Russian sponsors, who in response took the only available action available under the Ukrainian constitution to replace his vacated office by the upcoming presidential election, which former President Yanukovych and the Russians are using force to prevent. If Yanukovych had not defected to the Russian invaders, he would still have occupied the office of the president of the Ukraine, and there would have been no vacancy in the pesidential office for the Ukrainian parliament to replace. If Yanukovych had not vacated his presidential office, the parliament may have been motivated by the Euromaidan protestors to undertake the constitutional proceedings to remove Yanukovych rom office, but Yanukovych removed himself from that office before the parliament could begin such a long and cumbersome procedure. Now the parliament has exercised its constitutional authority to hold a presidential election to refill the vacated office, but the Russians and their separatist ethnic Russian Ukrainian insurrectionists are doing everything they can to keep a fair presidential election from occurring, as they have for the previous elections with massive vote fraud.
Culture and history bunk is an excuse for letting people who don't have a European background rot and suffer, that's all. Why help those scruffy third world types when you can jet off to meetings in Paris, London, Bonn, and other cities where they have well groomed hookers and anything else you want certified by the locals as safe and even vetted by their intelligence agencies?
If we had left NATO when the Soviet Union collapsed do you really think it would have expanded eastward in blatant contradiction of what Russia was promised?
If we worried more about other parts of the world and less about Europe we wouldn't have the EU and their alligator mouth writing checks their rats butt can't cash and expecting us to make the checks good. In fact, we might even have good relations with Russia and several countries in the ME where they respect people who stand up for their principals instead of standing up for the bank accounts of "the right people".
Then again, talking to people in a country where folks would rather sit home and complain than throw scum like Barry out of office is pretty much a waste of time. I know the drill, it's "the Russians are coming" while Christians worldwide are slaughtered for sport and the righteous US government smooths the way for wonderful, peaceful, Muslims when they want to install fine folks like the Muslim Brotherhood.
Yeah, culture and history, that's the way to go. All three hundred million of us need to worry about the other three hundred million of us in our "cultural" club and tell the 6.4 billion other folks to stuff it because they can't possibly impact our economy and security. What a typical redefinition of words to suit the agenda of the crowd in DC. "Strategic interests", it's all about cultural ties, not threats vs non-threats, long term relationships, and definitely not about right and wrong.
Freedom went out the window when the coup happened. Now folks who were happy with the election are facing military from the thugs who burned their way into the kiev statehouse and being told by us press and countless freepers that if they dont roll over they are against freedom and democracy.
So you are going with the theory that because the elected leader had to flee a militant mob there is no evidence of a coup.
Johnny Cochran is that you ?
Was this Biden’s private message to Ukraine?
There was no “unrest” in eastern Ukraine until Putin sent in the Russian Army commandos to terrorize and create anarchy.
The more anarchy the Russians astroturf in E. Ukraine, the more the local people will want nothing to do with them. It’s completely clear to everyone on the ground save for a few bus station drunks who is acting like Al Qaeda in Ukraine. I’ll buy you a clue, it isn’t the Ukrainian authorities.
You are claiming “the elected leader had to flee a militant mob” when the evidence is to the exact contrary.
First, the protesters in the Euromaidan did not exhibit significant violence until after President Yanukovych ordered the Berkut to use violence and sometimes lethal violence to deny the protestors the right to peacefully petition their government to act and stop the criminal misconduct of the Yanukovych administration and the oligarchs plundering the nation.
President Yanukovych also used his control of the security forces to abduct dissidents, torture, murder, and/or make them disappear. These extralegal and illegal acts by Yanukovych and his administration were met with peaceful protests, until the use of force and lethal force by Yanukovych provoked a passive or a sometimes violent resort to violent force in response.
What little force, violent or not, that could be mustered by the protesters in the Euromaidan was incapable of seizing or capturing President Yanukovych, because he was at all times under the very secure protection of his Berkut and other security forces. There was one and only one threat President Yanukovych faced, and that was the beginning of the constitutional proceedings by the elected Deputies of the parliament that would ultimately result in his lawful removal from office and/or his eventual arrest and prosecution in a court of law for a number of criminal acts.
President Yanukovych was in less personal and official danger than the present senior officer of the Berkut now being held for trial in a court of law for his alleged role in the killing of the Euromaidan protesters and other dissidents before the Euromaidan protests. The Berkut officer was safely held under house arrest until now, when the court has ordered the man be held in custody until his criminal trial.
Even if someone wants to try and claim President yanukovych was unsafe in Kiev/Kyiv, subsequent events have proven he could very easily have remained far beyond the reach of the Eromaidan protesters in one of the eastern cities among his political supporters. Even if the parliament had completed the constitutional process needed to remove Yanukovych from office and order his arrest and criminal prosecution, his supporters in the eastern cities now held by the pro-Russian militias, orchestrated and led by Russian military forces, would have obstructed every effort to arrest President Yanukovych.
Since there was no credible threat or opportunity for the Euromaidan protesters or the parliamentary government of the Ukraine to apprehend President Yanukovych without his cooperation, President Yanukovych had no need to flee the Ukraine or defect to the hostile foreign nation of Russia.
What it comes down to is the fact that President Yanukovych abandoned and vacated his elected office at the behest of his Russian sponsors, who wanted a pretext to invade and intervene in the Ukraine before the next scheduled elections produced such adverse results that not even the past vote fraud and vote rigging could prevent the ouster of Russia's premier agent in the Ukrainian government.
Putin had already waited in vain for more than a decade to bring the Ukraine under his control using Yanukovych and his supporting oligarchs. Putin decided further delay risked an even greater loss of Russian control and influence within the Ukrainian government. Putin also guaged the risk of a loss of control of the U.S. Government by Obama and the Democrats could deny Putin the free hand he needed to pursue his reconquests in Europe in his lifetime. So, Putin decided to act now to settle the Ukrainian question before the conditions for such a move became considerably less favorable for many years to come.
Yanukovych was prevailed upon by Putin to vacate his presidential office to give Russia a pretext for the invasion and annexation or control by Russia before the Ukraine could be lost to the European Union and/or an alliance with NATO. So, Yanukovych committed treason and vacated his office before the Euromaidan, the parliament, Svoboda, or anyone else could even remotely become a danger to his person without his participation and cooperation. So, there was no coup and there can be “no evidence of a coup” by the opponents of Yanukovych.
“Freedom went out the window when the coup happened.”
Your statement is a lie. Yanukovych vacated his office befoe his opponents had any opportunity to remove him from his office. So, there was no coup by the opponents of Yanukovych.
“Now folks who were happy with the election are facing military from the thugs who burned their way into the kiev statehouse and being told by us press and countless freepers that if they dont roll over they are against freedom and democracy.”
Your statement is a repetition of Russian lies used as disinformation supportive of Russian false war propaganda. The parliament you falsely accuse of “being the thugs who burned their way into the kiev statehouse” were lawfully elected Deputies years before Yanukovych abandoned and vacated his office before the parliament or anyone else could have any opportunity to apprehend Yanukovych or remove him from office. The deputies could hardly have “burned their way into the kiev statehouse” by being elected in the years prior to the Euromaidan protests.
The pro-Russian separatist minority of the population are indeed against freedom and democracy, because they are using lethal force under the leadership and supply of a foreign invader, Russia, to keep the majority of the population from holding fair elections that have in the past and would tomorrow favor Ukrainian sovereignty.
Your comments amount to no more than false propaganda favoring the Russian aggressors and pro-russian aggressors.
You are right on the money with our comments.
I am amused at the irony of watching so called small government conservatives, who flail away at the slightest government interference here in the US., and yet are appeasers and supporters of a rogue Russia, annexing and invading other weaker nations.
There are jokes and laughingstocks here at FR. Worse than statist RINOs really, because even some RINOs will stand up to naked aggression from natural American enemies.
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Yeah, Dupont and Monsanto, they are some clever clandestine paramilitary smooth operators.
Listmaker conspiracy loons are the worst, right up there with the numerology of Farahkhan.
Ping, interesting article from 2001.
10 year “anniversary” of US government efforts.