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Ukraine rebels brace for new assault as US troops head to region
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Posted on 04/23/2014 3:11:31 AM PDT by kronos77

Slavyansk (Ukraine) (AFP) - Pro-Kremlin rebels in Ukraine braced Wednesday for a renewed military offensive by Kiev as US troops headed to region in a show of force after Washington again warned Moscow over the escalating crisis.

The United States said it plans to deploy 600 troops to Poland and the Baltic states to "reassure our allies and partners" after threatening Russia with more sanctions.

Ukraine's acting president Oleksandr Turchynov late Tuesday ordered a new "anti-terrorist" operation against separatists holding a string of eastern towns after the discovery of two "brutally tortured" bodies.

One of the dead was a local politician from Turchynov's party who was kidnapped nearly a week ago, the leader said, blaming his death on the rebels.

Kiev's offensive threatens to sound the final death knell for an already tattered agreement struck last week in Geneva between Ukraine, Russia and the West to ease the crisis, which some fear could tip the country into civil war.

"Security agencies are working to liquidate all the groups currently operating in Kramatorsk, Slavyansk and the other towns in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions," said Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema, according to the Interfax Ukraine news agency.

View gallery Map of eastern Ukraine locating the town of Slavyansk, scene of a deadly gun battle Sunday (AFP Phot … In the eastern town of Slavyansk, a tense flashpoint town near where the two bodies were found, the streets were calm, with locals walking about as usual.

A handful of rebels wearing camouflage gear and ski masks but with no apparent weapons stood outside the barricaded town hall they are occupying.

In front of the building were displayed three photos of militants who were killed in a weekend attack on a roadblock the separatists have blamed on pro-Kiev ultra-nationalists.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: allies; estonia; ibtz; nato; pentagon; poland; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; war

1 posted on 04/23/2014 3:11:31 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77
600 troops to Poland and Estonia. Mere theatrics and dithering by Obama. Putin will not be impressed or deterred.
2 posted on 04/23/2014 3:15:32 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: kronos77

Let all those EU nations take care of this mess. This all started with that damn coup.

3 posted on 04/23/2014 3:16:55 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Yep, not out problem. Remember when Europe couldn’t wait for “Yankee go home?” Well, they’re on their own now.

4 posted on 04/23/2014 3:20:42 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: kronos77

Yeah, 500k US troops in a matter of months. LOL

More like a new Afghanistan.

Instead of the Soviet Empire crashing it will be the Russian Empire.

Despite what the Putinistas on FR think Putin’s pseudo-Christian posturing what make a damn difference.

5 posted on 04/23/2014 3:25:39 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: kronos77

What purpose or right does the US have in an east European argument? Putin will show off Obozo to be the fool that he is.

6 posted on 04/23/2014 3:25:40 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Sacajaweau

The welfare mentality infects the whole world.

7 posted on 04/23/2014 3:26:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kronos77

They could do more good in Chiraq.

8 posted on 04/23/2014 3:35:00 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Sacajaweau

Damned coup? Really? That’s a bit of pro-Russian propaganda.

The move by Russia started long ago and had almost succeeded in emplacing an operable puppet government. A popular overthrowing of that government does not qualify as a coup.

9 posted on 04/23/2014 3:57:24 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Theatrics or not, our ‘Dear Reader’ is playing a very dangerous game.

A game that only a mature experienced adult with an understanding of foreign policy should engage in.

There are far too many nutcases with their fingers nervously twitching over nuclear buttons to play this game of Truth or Dare.

He must have a war somewhere in the world in order to complete or continue (3rd term?) his assigned mission.

10 posted on 04/23/2014 3:57:47 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: kronos77

People my age can remember the sending of “advisors” to Viet Nam in the early 60’s.

Guess what became of that?????????????????

Right! You guessed it!

11 posted on 04/23/2014 4:00:06 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: panaxanax

Well, on a positive note maybe Putin will start his retaliation with DC(?)

12 posted on 04/23/2014 4:06:42 AM PDT by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: panaxanax

Its pretty much standard procedure with marxists. They always have an outside enemy threatening so the people at home don’t take their anger out on them.

13 posted on 04/23/2014 4:32:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kronos77

It’s way to soon to say this is Russia’s Vietnam. It may be Russia’s “Slovinia,” “Bosnia/Croatia,” and “Kosovo,” though.

14 posted on 04/23/2014 4:34:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I was a little astounded when Poland told the Maidan, “accept the negotiated truce, or die.” Poland wasn’t threatening THEY’D interfere, just saying that Yanukovich’s forces would kill them, but still... it seemed to serve Yanukovich, and I couldn’t figure that out.

Turns out that many of the thugs now over-running Kiev believe that they should seize much of Poland. Whatever public purpose these forces have, their real purpose may be to keep Poland on board with the EU/US-led junta in Kiev.

15 posted on 04/23/2014 4:36:53 AM PDT by dangus
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
The United States said it plans to deploy 600 troops to Poland and the Baltic states to "reassure our allies and partners" after threatening Russia with more sanctions.
related: Polish Immigrant: Americans 'Have Gotten Stupid', 'Already Forgot What Communism was All About"...
16 posted on 04/23/2014 4:40:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: kronos77
Ukraine's acting president Oleksandr Turchynov late Tuesday ordered a new "anti-terrorist" operation APC giveaway program.
17 posted on 04/23/2014 5:23:00 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: cripplecreek

Comment on Orwell’s 1984. Not my words, but they pretty much sum up what you said.

“The objective is not to win the war, but to maintain a constant state of war in order to keep its citizens under control. When it is at war with Eastasia, the government declares that it has always been at war with Eastasia, that its people are an eternally hated enemy that must be destroyed. When the sides change, the same thing is said about Eurasia. It is considered every patriotic citizen’s duty to believe both statements are true.”

18 posted on 04/23/2014 5:28:14 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: kronos77

The Vietnam stigma needs some informed perspective.

War is about having the will to fight and win.
Peace also, is about having the will to fight and win.

If the country does not maintain the will and ability to fight and win, there is no basis to expect positive results.

In Vietnam Johnson never employed strategies or tactics designed to WIN the war. We weren’t allowed to go after the true military targets, except on rare occasions approved by Washington.

19 posted on 04/23/2014 5:30:36 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: kronos77


I don’t care if they are SEAL’s, 600 won’t do much in the face of a real assault.

20 posted on 04/23/2014 6:18:34 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Why do they need US Seals, when they already have GROM?

21 posted on 04/23/2014 6:23:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kronos77

Obama and Soros BEGAN this,
just like their Arab Springs.

Meanwhile, the corrupt, EXEMPT
US Congress has abdicated to their banks and brothels.

22 posted on 04/23/2014 6:31:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: hinckley buzzard

God help us. PUtin will not back down, he cannot back down even if he wanted too. Secondly, he knows that Obama will blink at the first drop of American blood.

I can’t believe how utterly stupid we are in this instance.

The Ukrainian people have had a taste of true freedom. Russia nows wants to take that away. They will fight to the death before it happens. They don’t need us.

600 troops? Seriously?

23 posted on 04/23/2014 6:42:05 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: elhombrelibre

Im saying that this is US Vietnam Nr 2.

South Vietnam(Ukraine) government that is imposed my military coup, and has en major support of people nor controls its territory is proclaimed by US authorities as “Ally” and us gives them support - while on the other hand Russia will just provide weapons and smuggle explosives and other stuff into South Vietnam (Ukraine) for the rebels...

Than we will have Gulf Of Tonkin incident (maybe attack on one of few US destroyers in Black Sea) and... after ten years...

24 posted on 04/23/2014 6:54:47 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Putin will take Odessa and Transdienester(sp) and dumBO will do nothing, showing Putin the more flexibility he will have after the election.

25 posted on 04/23/2014 7:14:07 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: nikos1121

“The Ukrainian people have had a taste of true freedom.”

Meet the new corrupt masters, same as the old corrupt masters. Except the new masters are funded by USAID, Omidyar, and Soros.

“They will fight to the death before it happens.”

The only forces that seem willing to fight are the Right-Sector. Most of Ukraine’s regular forces? Not so much.

26 posted on 04/23/2014 7:18:42 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kronos77

Vietnam? LOL!

600 troops isn’t a show of force, it’s a tripwire. Just like several US divisions in West Germany was never meant to provide a defense against the entire Warsaw Pact but only to serve as a deterrent or as a delaying force in case of attack.

27 posted on 04/23/2014 7:31:17 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: kronos77

Of course, these 600 troops will not be permitted to have ammunition in their M4s or M9s. The President has declared Ukraine and the Baltic states to be "gun free zones" for our deployed troops. But since they are a "tripwire", I have advised for them to update their Life Insurance premiums and their Last Wills and Testaments.

28 posted on 04/23/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: kronos77

It’s time for Zero to move “Holder’s Whores” from Nevada to the Ukraine!

29 posted on 04/23/2014 7:50:44 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: kronos77

In this photo taken on Sunday, April 13, 2014,
a reporter Simon Ostrovsky, right, stands next to a Pro-Russian gunman at a seized police station in the eastern Ukraine town of Slovyansk...

I've seen this same guy in the same pose in a bunch of photos at different places. Looks like a prop. And why is the reporter smiling?

30 posted on 04/23/2014 7:58:50 AM PDT by McGruff (You believe what your government tells you. Don't you?)
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To: dfwgator

Very true.

31 posted on 04/23/2014 8:01:45 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: nikos1121

“...600 troops? Seriously?...”

No wonder the troops’ suicide rate is screaming high.
Can you imagine your life being under control by the whims of “The WON”?
What if he doesn’t get his daily dose of skittles or something?

32 posted on 04/23/2014 8:24:19 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: kronos77

I assume you were not a History Major, then, if Ukraine and its recent events somehow strike you as similar to the US War in Vietnam. If you’re mind is that muddled, how do you think you can pontificate on these subjects?

33 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:24 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: SkyPilot

You want to bet on the ammo?

34 posted on 04/23/2014 8:46:44 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

How would you like to be one of those 600? They’re being sent there, probably, as a stunt. It’s possible; however, they’re being sent in hopes that they’re attacked.

35 posted on 04/23/2014 9:57:43 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: panaxanax

I like that. If you and I went to Ukraine and hung out with some Ukrainians, then went to Russia and hung out with some Russians, we’d wonder that these people are a hair’s breadth from shooting each other. We wouldn’t be able to tell the difference in their likes, dislikes, religion, or even language. I think, even in the Middle East, our similarities would be more than our differences. But look at what’s happening. Governments are getting people to kill each other.

36 posted on 04/23/2014 10:06:19 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: redgolum

Unless they have pitchers and lanterns.

37 posted on 04/23/2014 10:07:38 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: kronos77

10 years? I thought it would take about that for Russia to take Crimea. LOL.

38 posted on 04/23/2014 10:09:36 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: The Duke
Well, on a positive note maybe Putin will start his retaliation with DC(?)

Only if he wants to get killed along with his entire extended family and every single person he knows.

39 posted on 04/23/2014 12:37:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: demshateGod
10 years? I thought it would take about that for Russia to take Crimea. LOL.

The Russians took Afghanistan overnight. Holding on to it proved a 'stan too far.

40 posted on 04/23/2014 12:50:15 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: kronos77

Kennedy in May 1961 sent 400 Green Berets and 100 support troops. Only God and the CIA know how many CIA assets went into Nam/Laos/? to support those troops and South Viet Nam troops.

Then our escalation of troops, planes and USN assets grew at a crazy pace.


January 1961 - Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev pledges support for “wars of national liberation” throughout the world. His statement greatly encourages Communists in North Vietnam to escalate their armed struggle to unify Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh.

January 20, 1961- John Fitzgerald Kennedy is inaugurated as the 35th U.S. President and declares “...we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to insure the survival and the success of liberty.” Privately, outgoing President Eisenhower tells him “I think you’re going to have to send troops...” to Southeast Asia.

The youthful Kennedy administration is inexperienced in matters regarding Southeast Asia. Kennedy’s Secretary of Defense, 44-year-old Robert McNamara, along with civilian planners recruited from the academic community, will play a crucial role in deciding White House strategy for Vietnam over the next several years. Under their leadership, the United States will wage a limited war to force a political settlement.

However, the U.S. will be opposed by an enemy dedicated to total military victory “...whatever the sacrifices, however long the struggle...until Vietnam is fully independent and reunified,” as stated by Ho Chi Minh.

May 1961 - Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson visits President Diem in South Vietnam and hails the embattled leader as the ‘Winston Churchill of Asia.’

May 1961 - President Kennedy sends 400 American Green Beret ‘Special Advisors’ to South Vietnam to train South Vietnamese soldiers in methods of ‘counter-insurgency’ in the fight against Viet Cong guerrillas.

The role of the Green Berets soon expands to include the establishment of Civilian Irregular Defense Groups (CIDG) made up of fierce mountain men known as the Montagnards. These groups establish a series of fortified camps strung out along the mountains to thwart infiltration by North Vietnamese.

Fall - The conflict widens as 26,000 Viet Cong launch several successful attacks on South Vietnamese troops. Diem then requests more military aid from the Kennedy administration.

October 1961 - To get a first-hand look at the deteriorating military situation, top Kennedy aides, Maxwell Taylor and Walt Rostow, visit Vietnam. “If Vietnam goes, it will be exceedingly difficult to hold Southeast Asia,” Taylor reports to the President and advises Kennedy to expand the number of U.S. military advisors and to send 8000 combat soldiers.

Defense Secretary McNamara and the Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend instead a massive show of force by sending six divisions (200,000 men) to Vietnam. However, the President decides against sending any combat troops.

October 24, 1961 - On the sixth anniversary of the Republic of South Vietnam, President Kennedy sends a letter to President Diem and pledges “the United States is determined to help Vietnam preserve its independence...”

President Kennedy then sends additional military advisors along with American helicopter units to transport and direct South Vietnamese troops in battle, thus involving Americans in combat operations. Kennedy justifies the expanding U.S. military role as a means “ prevent a Communist takeover of Vietnam which is in accordance with a policy our government has followed since 1954.” The number of military advisors sent by Kennedy will eventually surpass 16,000.

December 1961 - Viet Cong guerrillas now control much of the countryside in South Vietnam and frequently ambush South Vietnamese troops. The cost to America of maintaining South Vietnam’s sagging 200,000 man army and managing the overall conflict in Vietnam rises to a million dollars per day.


January 11, 1962 - During his State of the Union address, President Kennedy states, “Few generations in all of history have been granted the role of being the great defender of freedom in its maximum hour of danger. This is our good fortune...”

January 15, 1962 - During a press conference, President Kennedy is asked if any Americans in Vietnam are engaged in the fighting. “No,” the President responds without further comment.

February 6, 1962 - MACV, the U.S. Military Assistance Command for Vietnam, is formed. It replaces MAAG-Vietnam, the Military Assistance Advisory Group which had been established in 1950.

February 27, 1962 - The presidential palace in Saigon is bombed by two renegade South Vietnamese pilots flying American-made World War II era fighter planes. President Diem and his brother Nhu escape unharmed. Diem attributes his survival to “divine protection.”

March 1962 - Operation Sunrise begins the Strategic Hamlet resettlement program in which scattered rural populations in South Vietnam are uprooted from their ancestral farmlands and resettled into fortified villages defended by local militias. However, over 50 of the hamlets and are soon infiltrated and easily taken over by Viet Cong who kill or intimidate village leaders.

As a result, Diem orders bombing raids against suspected Viet Cong-controlled hamlets. The air strikes by the South Vietnamese Air Force are supported by U.S. pilots, who also conduct some of the bombings. Civilian causalities erode popular support for Diem and result in growing peasant hostility toward America, which is largely blamed for the unpopular resettlement program as well as the bombings.

May 1962 - Viet Cong organize themselves into battalion-sized units operating in central Vietnam.

May 1962 - Defense Secretary McNamara visits South Vietnam and reports “we are winning the war.”

July 23, 1962 - The Declaration on the Neutrality of Laos signed in Geneva by the U.S. and 13 other nations, prohibits U.S. invasion of portions of the Ho Chi Minh trail inside eastern Laos.

August 1, 1962 - President Kennedy signs the Foreign Assistance Act of 1962 which provides “...military assistance to countries which are on the rim of the Communist world and under direct attack.”

August 1962 - A U.S. Special Forces camp is set up at Khe Sanh to monitor North Vietnamese Army (NVA) infiltration down the Ho Chi Minh trail.


January 3, 1963 - A Viet Cong victory in the Battle of Ap Bac makes front page news in America as 350 Viet Cong fighters defeat a large force of American-equipped South Vietnamese troops attempting to seize a radio transmitter. Three American helicopter crew members are killed.

The South Vietnamese Army is run by officers personally chosen by President Diem, not for their competence, but for their loyalty to him. Diem has instructed his officers to avoid causalities. Their primary mission, he has told them, is to protect him from any coups in Saigon.

May 1963 - Buddhists riot in South Vietnam after they are denied the right to display religious flags during their celebration of Buddha’s birthday. In Hue, South Vietnamese police and army troops shoot at Buddhist demonstrators, resulting in the deaths of one woman and eight children.

Political pressure now mounts on the Kennedy administration to disassociate itself from Diem’s repressive, family-run government. “You are responsible for the present trouble because you back Diem and his government of ignoramuses,” a leading Buddhist tells U.S. officials in Saigon.

June-August - Buddhist demonstrations spread. Several Buddhist monks publicly burn themselves to death as an act of protest. The immolations are captured on film by news photographers and shock the American public as well as President Kennedy.

Diem responds to the deepening unrest by imposing martial law. South Vietnamese special forces, originally trained by the U.S. and now controlled by Diem’s younger brother Nhu wage violent crackdowns against Buddhist sanctuaries in Saigon, Hue and other cities.

Nhu’s crackdowns spark widespread anti-Diem demonstrations. Meanwhile, during an American TV interview, Nhu’s wife, the flamboyant Madame Nhu, coldly refers to the Buddhist immolations as a ‘barbecue.’ As the overall situation worsens, high level talks at the White House focus on the need to force Diem to reform.

July 4, 1963 - South Vietnamese General Tran Van Don, a Buddhist, contacts the CIA in Saigon about the possibility of staging a coup against Diem.

August 22, 1963 - The new U.S. ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge arrives in South Vietnam.

August 24, 1963 - A U.S. State Department message sent to Ambassador Lodge is interpreted by Lodge to indicate he should encourage the military coup against President Diem.

August 26, 1963 - Ambassador Lodge meets President Diem for the first time. Under instructions from President Kennedy, Lodge tells Diem to fire his brother, the much-hated Nhu, and to reform his government. But Diem arrogantly refuses even to discuss such matters with Lodge.

August 26, 1963 - President Kennedy and top aides begin three days of heated discussions over whether the U.S. should in fact support the military coup against Diem.

August 29, 1963 - Lodge sends a message to Washington stating “...there is no possibility, in my view, that the war can be won under a Diem administration.” President Kennedy then gives Lodge a free hand to manage the unfolding events in Saigon. However, the coup against Diem fizzles due to mistrust and suspicion within the ranks of the military conspirators.

September 2, 1963 - During a TV news interview with Walter Cronkite, President Kennedy describes Diem as “out of touch with the people” and adds that South Vietnam’s government might regain popular support “with changes in policy and perhaps in personnel.”

Also during the interview, Kennedy comments on America’s commitment to Vietnam “If we withdrew from Vietnam, the Communists would control Vietnam. Pretty soon, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Malaya, would go...”

October 2, 1963 - President Kennedy sends Ambassador Lodge a mixed messaged that “no initiative should now be taken to give any encouragement to a coup” but that Lodge should “identify and build contacts with possible leadership as and when it appears.”

October 5, 1963 - Lodge informs President Kennedy that the coup against Diem appears to be on again.

The rebel generals, led by Duong Van “Big” Minh, first ask for assurances that U.S. aid to South Vietnam will continue after Diem’s removal and that the U.S. will not interfere with the actual coup. This scenario suits the White House well, in that the generals will appear to acting on their own without any direct U.S. involvement. President Kennedy gives his approval. The CIA in Saigon then signals the conspirators that the United States will not interfere with the overthrow of President Diem.

October 25, 1963 - Prompted by concerns over public relations fallout if the coup fails, a worried White House seeks reassurances from Ambassador Lodge that the coup will succeed.

October 28, 1963 - Ambassador Lodge reports a coup is “imminent.”


October 29, 1963 - An increasingly nervous White House now instructs Lodge to postpone the coup. Lodge responds it can only be stopped by betraying the conspirators to Diem.

November 1, 1963 - Lodge has a routine meeting with Diem from 10 a.m. until noon at the presidential palace, then departs. At 1:30 p.m., during the traditional siesta time, the coup begins as mutinous troops roar into Saigon, surround the presidential palace, and also seize police headquarters. Diem and his brother Nhu are trapped inside the palace and reject all appeals to surrender. Diem telephones the rebel generals and attempts, but fails, to talk them out of the coup. Diem then calls Lodge and asks “...what is the attitude of the United States?” Lodge responds “ is four thirty a.m. in Washington, and the U.S. government cannot possibly have a view.” Lodge then expresses concern for Diem’s safety, to which Diem responds “I am trying to restore order.”

At 8 p.m., Diem and Nhu slip out of the presidential palace unnoticed and go to a safe house in the suburbs that belongs to a wealthy Chinese merchant.

November 2, 1963 - At 3 a.m., one of Diem’s aides betrays his location to the generals. The hunt for Diem and Nhu now begins. At 6 a.m., Diem telephones the generals. Realizing the situation is hopeless, Diem and Nhu offer to surrender from inside a Catholic church. Diem and Nhu are then taken into custody by rebel officers and placed in the back of an armored personnel carrier. While traveling to Saigon, the vehicle stops and Diem and Nhu are assassinated.

At the White House, a meeting is interrupted with the news of Diem’s death. According to witnesses, President Kennedy’s face turns a ghostly shade of white and he immediately leaves the room. Later, the President records in his private diary, “I feel that we must bear a good deal of responsibility for it.”

Saigon celebrates the downfall of Diem’s regime. But the coup results in a power vacuum in which a series of military and civilian governments seize control of South Vietnam, a country that becomes totally dependent on the United States for its existence. Viet Cong use the unstable political situation to increase their hold over the rural population of South Vietnam to nearly 40 percent.

November 22, 1963 - President John F. Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas. Lyndon B. Johnson is sworn in as the 36th U.S. President. He is the fourth President coping with Vietnam and will oversee massive escalation of the war while utilizing many of the same policy advisors who served Kennedy.

November 24, 1963 - President Johnson declares he will not “lose Vietnam” during a meeting with Ambassador Lodge in Washington.

By year’s end, there are 16,300 American military advisors in South Vietnam which received $500 million in U.S. aid during 1963.


January 30, 1964 - General Minh is ousted from power in a bloodless coup led by General Nguyen Khanh who becomes the new leader of South Vietnam.

March 1964 - Secret U.S.-backed bombing raids begin against the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos, conducted by mercenaries flying old American fighter planes.

March 6, 1964 - Defense Secretary McNamara visits South Vietnam and states that Gen. Khanh “has our admiration, our respect and our complete support...” and adds that, “We’ll stay for as long as it takes. We shall provide whatever help is required to win the battle against the Communist insurgents.”

Following his visit, McNamara advises President Johnson to increase military aid to shore up the sagging South Vietnamese army. McNamara and other Johnson policy makers now become focused on the need to prevent a Communist victory in South Vietnam, believing it would damage the credibility of the U.S. globally. The war in Vietnam thus becomes a test of U.S. resolve in fighting Communism with America’s prestige and President Johnson’s reputation on the line.

The cost to America of maintaining South Vietnam’s army and managing the overall conflict in Vietnam now rises to two million dollars per day.

March 17, 1964 - The U.S. National Security Council recommends the bombing of North Vietnam. President Johnson approves only the planning phase by the Pentagon.

May - President Johnson’s aides begin work on a Congressional resolution supporting the President’s war policy in Vietnam. The resolution is shelved temporarily due to lack of support in the Senate, but will later be used as the basis of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

Summer - As 56,000 Viet Cong spread their successful guerrilla war throughout South Vietnam, they are reinforced by North Vietnamese Army (NVA) regulars pouring in via the Ho Chi Minh trail.

Responding to this escalation, President Johnson approves Operation Plan 34A, CIA-run covert operations using South Vietnamese commandos in speed boats to harass radar sites along the coastline of North Vietnam. The raids are supported by U.S. Navy warships in the Gulf of Tonkin including the destroyer U.S.S. Maddox which conducts electronic surveillance to pinpoint the radar locations.

July 1, 1964 - General Maxwell D. Taylor, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is appointed by President Johnson as the new U.S. ambassador to South Vietnam. During his one year tenure, Taylor will have to deal with five successive governments in politically unstable South Vietnam.

President Johnson also appoints Lt. Gen William C. Westmoreland to be the new U.S. military commander in Vietnam. Westmoreland is a West Point graduate and a highly decorated veteran of World War II and Korea.

July 16-17 - Senator Barry Goldwater is chosen as the Republican nominee for president at the Republican National Convention in San Francisco. During his acceptance speech Goldwater declares, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.”

Goldwater is an arch conservative and virulent anti-Communist whose campaign rhetoric will impact coming White House decisions concerning Vietnam. Above all, Johnson’s aides do not want the President to appear to be ‘soft on Communism’ and thus risk losing the November presidential election. But at the same time, they also want the President to avoid being labeled a ‘war monger’ concerning Vietnam.

July 31, 1964 - In the Gulf of Tonkin, as part of Operation Plan 34A, South Vietnamese commandos in unmarked speed boats raid two North Vietnamese military bases located on islands just off the coast. In the vicinity is the destroyer U.S.S. Maddox.

August 2, 1964 - Three North Vietnamese patrol boats attack the American destroyer U.S.S. Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin ten miles off the coast of North Vietnam. They fire three torpedoes and machine-guns, but only a single machine-gun round actually strikes the Maddox with no causalities. U.S. Navy fighters from the carrier Ticonderoga, led by Commander James Stockdale, attack the patrol boats, sinking one and damaging the other two.

At the White House, it is Sunday morning (twelve hours behind Vietnam time). President Johnson, reacting cautiously to reports of the incident, decides against retaliation. Instead, he sends a diplomatic message to Hanoi warning of “grave consequences” from any further “unprovoked” attacks. Johnson then orders the Maddox to resume operations in the Gulf of Tonkin in the same vicinity where the attack had occurred. Meanwhile, the Joints Chiefs of Staff put U.S. combat troops on alert and also select targets in North Vietnam for a possible bombing raid, should the need arise.

August 3, 1964 - The Maddox, joined by a second destroyer U.S.S. C. Turner Joy begin a series of vigorous zigzags in the Gulf of Tonkin sailing to within eight miles of North Vietnam’s coast, while at the same time, South Vietnamese commandos in speed boats harass North Vietnamese defenses along the coastline. By nightfall, thunderstorms roll in, affecting the accuracy of electronic instruments on the destroyers. Crew members reading their instruments believe they have come under torpedo attack from North Vietnamese patrol boats. Both destroyers open fire on numerous apparent targets but there are no actual sightings of any attacking boats.

August 4, 1964 - Although immediate doubts arise concerning the validity of the second attack, the Joint Chiefs of Staff strongly recommend a retaliatory bombing raid against North Vietnam.

Press reports in America greatly embellish the second attack with spectacular eyewitness accounts although no journalists had been on board the destroyers.

At the White House, President Johnson decides to retaliate. Thus, the first bombing of North Vietnam by the United States occurs as oil facilities and naval targets are attacked without warning by 64 U.S. Navy fighter bombers. “Our response for the present will be limited and fitting,” President Johnson tells Americans during a midnight TV appearance, an hour after the attack began. “We Americans know, although others appear to forget, the risk of spreading conflict. We still seek no wider war.”

Two Navy jets are shot down during the bombing raids, resulting in the first American prisoner of war, Lt. Everett Alvarez of San Jose, California, who is taken to an internment center in Hanoi, later dubbed the “Hanoi Hilton” by the nearly six hundred American airmen who become POWs.

41 posted on 04/23/2014 1:12:49 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Reaganez; kronos77

For our U.S. infantry, combat engineers and other great soldiers, a quick nuke smackdown with a gas fight for dessert would be far better than a new Afghanistan. They are already seeing such an opportunity as being, to paraphrase here, quite arousing. That’s from insight.

42 posted on 04/23/2014 5:34:57 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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