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CARSON: When government looks more like foe than friend [The Continuing Education of Ben Carson, MD]
The Washington Times ^ | April 22, 2014 | Ben S. Carson

Posted on 04/23/2014 5:43:11 AM PDT by sitetest

Edited on 04/23/2014 5:45:01 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The Bundy case in Nevada provides many insights into the state of our nation with respect to the relationship between the people and the government.

The Bundys appear to be honorable American citizens without adequate legal counsel to help resolve a federal land issue about which they disagree with the Bureau of Land Management. Without question, they violated some of the innumerable laws and regulations that continue to entangle every aspect of American life.


(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; banglist; bencarson; blm; bundy; guncontrol; gungrabber; guns; oppression; secondamendment; tyranny
The education of Dr. Ben Carson continues. A very encouraging sign. Dr. Carson, who had previously seemed a little mushy on the whole Second Amendment business, appears to have had a moment of clarity.
1 posted on 04/23/2014 5:43:11 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest

I didn’t see this otherwise posted. My apologies if it’s a repeat.


2 posted on 04/23/2014 5:47:51 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Too many words?


3 posted on 04/23/2014 5:51:29 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
... should take solace in knowing that many military and law enforcement personnel would likely refuse to obey commands inconsistent with freedom and American values.

I hope it's true but how can one count on it in any particular case?
I am glad he's waking up to the real reasons for 2A.

4 posted on 04/23/2014 5:56:18 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: sitetest

I agree, especially after having been disappointed in his recent foray into the “vote GOPe meme” some feel we have to do, even if the GOPe RINOs are the lesser of two evils.

I am encouraged by the basic thought of this article and it’s fundamental clarity.


5 posted on 04/23/2014 5:56:57 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: sitetest
This really sums it up:

"The senator readily referred to the Bundys and their supporters as “domestic terrorists,” but the current administration is reticent about applying the same term to Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who admitted slaughtering more than a dozen people in 2009 at Fort Hood in Texas. What does this tell us about our government and its perceptions and alignments?"

Bundy = Domestic Terrorist

Hasan = Workplace Violence

6 posted on 04/23/2014 5:59:35 AM PDT by magellan
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To: BitWielder1
Dear BitWielder1,

Yes, I'd originally included in the excerpt Dr. Carson's strongest language concerning the Second Amendment, in that, part of its original purpose was to prevent the imposition of tyranny by the government, itself, but I guess I excerpted too much of the article.

I encourage folks to read the whole thing at the Wash Times in spite of their annoying audio ads that start up upon loading the page.


sitetest

7 posted on 04/23/2014 5:59:46 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Gaffer

I agree.


8 posted on 04/23/2014 6:00:18 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Yes, Dr Carson, there IS a reason that The People need the means to resist government tyranny,

and a reason the founders made sure to enshrine that ability in the second amendment.


9 posted on 04/23/2014 6:02:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: sitetest

“We must be reasonable and willing to engage in conversation about how to limit the availability of dangerous weapons to criminals and very violent or insane people.”

He needs to explain how he plans to do that since criminals don’t follow existing laws, new laws can only effect law abiding citizens.

Sorry Ben, you still have a gungrabber mindset.

I think he makes it up as he goes along, whatever he thinks the public will fall for.


10 posted on 04/23/2014 6:02:44 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: sitetest

It’s good to see he clarified his statement on the 2nd and limited it to criminals and mentally unstable, as it should be, by pointing to people instead of guns.


11 posted on 04/23/2014 6:03:32 AM PDT by Ms. Blunt
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To: Gaffer

Yes. It was only a short while ago that he was calling for gun registration and a ban on a “assault weapons”, or so I recall.


12 posted on 04/23/2014 6:03:45 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: sitetest
The education of Dr. Ben Carson continues. A very encouraging sign. Dr. Carson, who had previously seemed a little mushy on the whole Second Amendment business, appears to have had a moment of clarity.

Perhaps it isn't so much the education of Dr. Carson as it is his helping educate some people who follow and admire him? People not as advanced in their political understanding as are most posters on FR?
13 posted on 04/23/2014 6:10:58 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: marktwain

I didn’t read that one, but there was another talking about relenting to GOPe RINOism and voting for them anyway so they could ‘tackle’ the economy - meanwhile letting things like entitlements, amnesty (implied) and other economy-contributing factors alone for later. It was really just a plea for “one more time folks - go along get along - don’t rock the GOPe boat) It really honked me off as I recall.


14 posted on 04/23/2014 6:11:38 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Beagle8U
Dear Beagle8U,

“Sorry Ben, you still have a gungrabber mindset.”

Time will tell.

But this editorial suggests his views have changed.

That's why I added my own comment about “continuing” education, not about “completed” education.


sitetest

15 posted on 04/23/2014 6:12:08 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Carson lost me by defending the thug Trayvon Martin.


16 posted on 04/23/2014 6:16:40 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: Resettozero
Dear Resettorzero,

So.... He held these views all along, but just pretended to be in favor of some gun control in order to get the initial intention of his target audience?

That's not my view. I think now that he's out of the cocoon of Johns Hopkins Hospital and in a world where extreme systemic complexity and regulation of action and behavior [especially as forced on us by the government] don't work as well as they did in the rarefied air at Johns Hopkins, he's learning new things.


sitetest

17 posted on 04/23/2014 6:17:38 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Beagle8U

I could care less what the rules of Baltimore are, I can’t believe people think they must impose the way they think on others who live 1000s of miles away.


18 posted on 04/23/2014 6:36:07 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: sitetest

I personally don’t feel I need to impose laws on the people of Baltimore thousands of miles away, perhaps others feel differently.


19 posted on 04/23/2014 6:39:15 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter
Dear BeadCounter,

Not sure I understand your intention.

Are you saying, “If Baltimore needs gun control, that's okay by me, let them figure out what they need for themselves.”?

Or are you saying something different?

Thanks,


sitetest

20 posted on 04/23/2014 6:41:02 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
I think now that he's out of the cocoon of Johns Hopkins Hospital and in a world where extreme systemic complexity and regulation of action and behavior [especially as forced on us by the government] don't work as well as they did in the rarefied air at Johns Hopkins, he's learning new things.

I can see that. Not knowing him personally keeps me from being sure. But I'm giving him the benefit of every pivotal question until he proves me wrong.
21 posted on 04/23/2014 6:42:05 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: sitetest

I’m saying it’s Constitutional for people to govern themselves and their states. That’s the 10th Amendment.

When Dr. Carson made his remarks he said he wasn’t talking about Ranchers. He was talking about areas in his own city.

I myself don’t care to impose my views on people thousands of miles away. But to each their own.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 6:51:54 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Resettozero
Dear Resettozero,

I've never met Dr. Carson personally. I have worked and met with on many occasions one of his proteges, who performed the pediatric neurosurgery on my son. For the past six years, I have had the privilege to watch Hopkins up close, and personal, to see how they operate.

As someone with a graduate degree in management, I find Hopkins’ systems absolutely fascinating, as well as exemplary. The skill and coordination that went into my son's surgery was beyond my imagining. Their other systems are also impressive. They handle thousands of individuals daily, from checking folks in, to getting them tests and MRIs and things, to scheduling surgeries, making sure they happen, to getting folks needed nursing care in-patient, to making sure they have the right prescriptions, and on and on. They complete these thousands of tasks daily, all fraught with potential for mistakes and errors, efficiently and effectively, in a timely way, usually without a second glance, and often with a note of courtesy and personal kindness.

Living in that world for several decades, someone might get the idea that everyone who attempts to set up large, complex systems does as good a job as Hopkins.

As those of us who live daily in the real world, we know that the government at any level never meets such standards. In part for this reason, the government that governs best is the government that governs least.

I think that perhaps this may be part of Dr. Carson's continuing education.


sitetest

23 posted on 04/23/2014 6:59:02 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Have his views really changed, or is he just trying to say what he thinks people want to hear?

How does he get from wanting to ban assault weapons to thinking they are needed to defend against government in a matter of a couple weeks?

I’ve been around long enough to know that isn’t how it works in real life, a 180 deg change doesn’t happen that fast.


24 posted on 04/23/2014 7:02:16 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: BeadCounter

The 10th can’t be used to overrule the 2nd.

The same law applies to WY and MD.


25 posted on 04/23/2014 7:06:55 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U
Dear Beagle8U,

Actually, I sort of expected Dr. Carson's to evolve, and not so much from a desire to become politically-viable as from knowing whence he came (a huge, successful, university hospital system known for its excellence).

He has a long-running experience of large, bureaucratic, planned-out organizations that manage to attempt and succeed at great things on a daily basis. I'm sure that he had the technocrat’s optimism, initially, that all men are of good will, and if one merely does what one needs to “fix the system” through the application of technology and the science of management, all will be well.

I believe that it is likely that reality is disabusing him of this notion. Not all men are of good will, especially among those who wish to rule us in government. Not all men are intelligent enough to actually create, develop, or adjust large systems to make them work correctly. Especially in government (see: healthcare.gov). Because he actually is as smart as they say he is, he's become a quick learner.

Anyway, that's my story, and I'm stickin’ to it. ;-)


sitetest

26 posted on 04/23/2014 7:10:07 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Beagle8U

In Maryland you are required to have a permit for a handgun, in Wyoming, you aren’t. So the laws are different.


27 posted on 04/23/2014 7:20:05 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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In Maryland, Texas too, Carry Permits are required, in Wyoming they aren’t. The laws are already different.


28 posted on 04/23/2014 7:21:35 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

I’ve read only posts 1-28 on this thread and find in them comments for and against Carson which on FR would be expected but the weight of the comments seems to be against him.

I just have a couple observations:

1. Hillary might indeed run and IF SHE DOES she might win. Think of that long and hard, not dismissively.

2. Carson can likely win, experts claim, 20-50% of the black vote guaranteeing him victory.

So, fellow freepers, would you rather have Hillary in the Whitehouse with BJC down the hall or Dr. Ben Carson?

Let me presume to answer for nearly all Freepers! No, the answer is so painfully obvious I shouldn’t have to.

For myself, I prefer Cruz most of all, then Palin and I sure like Gowdy.

But, I’m beginning to believe Carson MAY BE our ACE IN THE HOLE cuz the dims start out on Election Day with 45%, or thereabouts, of the dumbed down room temperature American Electorate heading to their polling place to vote several times for Hillary or some other dim! Indeed, “at this point, what difference does it make”, one dim is as bad as another! “ We MUST defeat them in 14 & 16 to save this country!


29 posted on 04/23/2014 7:48:20 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: BeadCounter

Laws can be different, but there are limits what a state can do. MD can require a permit for a handgun, but they can’t outlaw them.


30 posted on 04/23/2014 7:54:34 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: sitetest; AllAmericanGirl44; Bigg Red; duckman; EDINVA; ELS; fatnotlazy; gaijin; Graewoulf; ...
Thanks for posting and for your appropriate comment, sitetest.

Ben Carson *Ping*

Ben Caron photo BenCarson_zps8b233ca1.jpg

Please Freepmail to get on or off this list…

31 posted on 04/23/2014 8:07:53 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: Beagle8U

Permits to carry is a form of gun control and gun grabbing as well though. Some people won’t get those permits.


32 posted on 04/23/2014 8:09:37 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: sitetest

Thank you, now! That was very good information.

R2z


33 posted on 04/23/2014 8:11:37 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: sitetest

What does he expect the ‘rebels” of 1775 to have done without their arms? Blacks would not have been enslaved if they had the appropriate arms.


34 posted on 04/23/2014 8:16:43 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: BeadCounter

Take them to court, others have and won.


35 posted on 04/23/2014 8:19:48 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Ms. Blunt

How would it help us to have the Feds, which is Chock Full O’ Nuts, deciding who is sane enough to own a weapon?


36 posted on 04/23/2014 8:28:38 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
How would it help us to have the Feds, which is Chock Full O’ Nuts, deciding who is sane enough to own a weapon?

Because he said nothing about the Feds to begin with.

That's what I think the problem is, people aren't really aware of what he said. All he spoke about is people governing themselves. State and local.

37 posted on 04/23/2014 8:33:55 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: jazusamo

Thanks!


38 posted on 04/23/2014 8:41:33 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

I have no problem with Carson running as vice-pres with Cruz, Palin, or Gowdy but replacing Obozo who has been very successful at destroying our country with another black guy we really know little about, I don’t think it is very wise.
Why would we want any member of any bureaucracy, from school to John Hopkins that is all he has known, running our government, be they black, white or purple? We have tried this once and look where we are now.


39 posted on 04/23/2014 8:43:14 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: All

I’m not for gun control of any sort, all I’m doing is giving Dr. Carson the benefit of the doubt. I also believe State and Local Governments should have the rights to govern themselves. They already regulate a lot of this and have for a long time. I sure wouldn’t want the State, City of New York telling me what I can and can not have.

In the end, the Constitution should be the guide.

These articles highlight the kerfuffle with Carson pretty well.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/04/dr-ben-carson-your-right-to-own-a-semiautomatic-should-depend-on-where-you-live/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/conservative-hero-ben-carson-to-beck-you-have-no-right-to-semi-automatic-weapons-in-large-cities/

http://therightscoop.com/uh-oh-dr-ben-carson-not-sure-you-should-be-able-to-own-a-semi-automatic-weapon-if-you-live-in-populated-area/


40 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:27 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: sitetest

Encouraging indeed. He talks about the importance of a well-armed citizenry.

And I just love this part:

It is quite interesting to see, though, that the same bureaucrats refuse to enforce some of our federal border-protection laws and other domestic policies with which they disagree. Perhaps Mr. Reid’s time could be better spent explaining why it is acceptable for the federal government to pick and choose which laws it wishes to enforce.


41 posted on 04/23/2014 10:05:56 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: sitetest

I encourage folks to read the whole thing....

&&&
I did and encourage others to do so as well. Great piece. Thanks for posting it.

(I just hit pause for their stupid video ads.)


42 posted on 04/23/2014 10:07:57 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: marktwain; Gaffer

People can and do learn, you know?
Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat.


43 posted on 04/23/2014 10:09:56 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Because he would be light years better than Hillary.

I sure agree with your “another black guy” thought. I have had the same thought. But, if the choice were Hillary or Carson, come on! I bet u would agree with me on that point.

YES, it’s possible Cruz or Palin could win, but this post IS NOT about WHO CAN win. Rather this post seeks to refine the argument down to the simple question of “Hey Freepers, if you had a choice of Hillary in the Oval Office or Carson, who would you choose?!

I bet 99% of Freepers would choose Carson. The experts say 17% of the black vote Guarantees Carson wins mathematically, hard to just dismiss that fact (the experts “opinion”).


44 posted on 04/23/2014 10:49:09 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas

A very insightful post....thanks. I agree about Dr. Carson but believe he would be better as vice president. We have a big mess to clean up after Obozo and need a strong leader to get that started. I don’t see one rising to the top yet. We have a little time. I like Cruz and Palin but prefer a governor like Mike Pence but he hasn’t made any noise about running.

I won’t vote for anyone but a conservative. I’ve been burned too many times.


45 posted on 04/23/2014 12:04:15 PM PDT by jch10 (The Democrat mascot shouldnÂ’t be the donkey; it should be the tick.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

With only that choice I would go with Carson.


46 posted on 04/23/2014 2:30:13 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: BeadCounter

It was all about the Feds from start to finish. I reread the entire article and no mention is made of state or local duties, only the Federal government is mentioned.


47 posted on 04/23/2014 2:44:54 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Did I say the feds? I’m just glad he clarified his stance and will support our 2nd Amd. rights. Currently it is up to the states...at least so far. And cities...and I meant ‘we’ if it needs to be clarified.


48 posted on 04/23/2014 4:46:58 PM PDT by Ms. Blunt
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