Posted on 04/23/2014 6:20:29 AM PDT by thackney
It simply isn't patriotic, and given the mysterious provenance of our POTUS, might even be racist and gender normative. Our planet is in danger. Ethanol is obviously a key part of the answer. The science is settled.
We all must make sacrifices for Mother Gaia. You, me,Red Badger ... and all those Mexicanos who must pay more and more for their tortillas because the corn goes for fuel, not food or whiskey.
You caught me!
Guilty as charged!
It is a chronic character flaw to mine to inject facts and rational questions into “end-of-discussion-because-mommie-says-so” situations, but I still enjoy doing it - - .
That's the whole plan from the beginning: Destroy the Internal Combustion Engine...........................
Thanks for the link.
Good info.
Isn’t it amazing how each do-gooder Federal Program always ends up wrecking other perfectly good systems?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACO.
Bureaucrats don’t think of the consequences of their actions, or the long term effects of their regulations. Do what is expedient, not what is necessary.
There are any number of things that fall into this category, chlorofluorocarbons (R-12, R-22, etc.), corporate fleet average MPG, MTBE gasoline additive, Army Corps of Engineers flood controls, etc.................
Thankfully, I have found two local retailers who sell E0 still, and all of my small engines and older vehicles are fed this.
I had the AC guy come out to do the yearly AC tune ups. (I live in Phoenix, 2 units).
Now my house is barely two years old. He came in and told me the capacitor was shot.
Later on, he told me that due to new EPA regs 60% of his calls are for new construction homes and capacitors. Due to the regs, some sort of oil they were using is now banned and they had to go to a new capacitor that you can expect to stop working every three years or so.
Zero ethanol fuel here costs about 10% more than E10. Considering the cost/time involved rebuilding small engines and finding parts, not to mention a fleet of vehicles spanning 60 years in age, the 10% extra is well worth it.
I recently tried ethanol-free gas for my lawn equipment. didn’t really expect to be able to see a difference but..
My Stihl string trimmer that has always been hard to start and keep running started right up and ran better than it ever has.
It has been so balky I swore every time I used it and promised myself I’d never buy another Stihl product.
Echo leaf blower started on 2nd pull. About 3 pulls faster, and ran better.
Honda Lawn mower started 2nd pull, about 1 less than usual.
So I’m sold on pure gas for small engines.
Running the gas tank down in the car and trying it next.
Pure gas was about 30 cents more/gal. than e10 regular when I bought it a month ago. If that holds, I expect the pure stuff will be $4/gal. when I go tomorrow.
Just had to replace fuel line and priming bulb on Stihl carb. Both hard and split , e10 the culprit? Echo fuel line last year.
I wasn’t aware that it was that easy. But if higher octane costs around 10% more and 87 octane has 10% ethanol that you remove there is no gain plus you have water tainted with ethanol to dispose of. Why don’t they just make pure 87 just for older and small engines?
“Why don’t they just make pure 87 just for older and small engines?”
Because people like me, realizing the horsepower gain and much improved mileage it gives a large engine, will use it in my truck.
And the enviros simply cannot allow that, doncha know.
You don’t really need to dispose of it, just set it outside, its water and alcohol it will evaporate... and E10 just means UP TO 10% doesn’t mean its 10%.
Ethanol is used as an anti-knocking agent, in fact it predates TEL (lead) for this purpose. There is nothing innately wrong with Ethanol, other than it attracts water.
Most of they hype about ehtanol is fear mongering for most folks.
In many places its not legal to sell straight gasoline because of air pollution standards and requirements, particularly metropolitan areas.
Straight pure gasoline has a problem with knocking, ethanol and other chemicals have been added to gasoline over the years to minimize this.
Ethanol is not something new in gas, in fact it was one of the first anti knocking agents ever added to gasoline. Given a choice between spewing neurotoxins into the atmosphere and environment by using TEL (lead) I am more than happy to deal with the increased maintenance that ethanol adds (and in most applications its minimal).
There are certainly certain engines and applications where ethanol is more destructive, and that’s where RTFM comes into play. If I were using small engines professionally day in and day out I would certainly stay away from it, or if I had an engine that explicitly stated no ethanol... But for most folks, the risks related to it are overblown, and it is trivial to remove it from gas if you want to.
I don’t agree with the e15 and e85 nonsense, that’s just silly, but the typical e10 blend most of us encounter is not going to be doing your typical engine any harm, because they are designed to be using it. If you have an older machine, you do have to worry as they valves and heads are not hardened and relied on the lead in the gasoline itself to help seal microfissures etc that occurred.. but for most folks, doing day to day things with small engines, the risk and damage related to ethanol is trivial.
Now you want to bitch about something bitch about the fact the government has made owning a PAC Tool illegal and up to a 10,000 fine for the buyer and the seller if you are not a “certified” repair person. In other words, you want to tune your carb and your carb requires a pac tool, you cannot legally buy one. You want to get pissed about government overstepping its bounds that’s worth bitching about, but the E10 stuff more bluster and ignorance than fact for most folks.
Technically, ethanol will not damage an engine. If there is an oxygen sensor (like most modern cars) the mixture will be adjusted so the car won’t go lean. On a carbureted engine, it simply needs bigger jets. Thousands of race cars run on pure ethanol, going lean is a result of improper jetting, or fuel delivery. If everything is right, ethanol runs cooler, not hotter, which is why the round track guys run ethanol. If you run an engine too lean, it will detonate, damaging head gaskets, pistons, exhaust valves, whether running gasoline or ethanol, makes no difference. Done that many times with drag racing engines, they will run their best right before the detonation starts, one change in weather, and you’re in trouble.
SOMETHING busted one of the exhaust valves of my 1990ish vehicle.
Now I know what the cause was.
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