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Virginia Gun Owner Being Unfairly Prosecuted In NJ For Accidentally Bringing A Gun Into The State
Ammoland ^ | 21 April, 2014 | VCDL

Posted on 04/23/2014 8:17:14 AM PDT by marktwain

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Virginia Gun Owner Being Unfairly Prosecuted In NJ For Accidentally Bringing A Gun Into The State

Virginia Citizens Defense League

Virginia Citizens Defense League

Covington VA --(Ammoland.com)- A Virginia CHP holder, Guy Ackerman, inadvertently brought a handgun with him into NJ.

He discovered the gun in his car and rather than leave it in there with valet parking, he took the unloaded revolver to his room and locked it in the room safe. The valet had noticed the gun when it was in the car and told the police, who arrested Guy and charged him with unlawful weapon possession – a felony in NJ.

The prosecutor is refusing to allow Guy an option to avoid jail time, an option that is normally available in such cases.

Guy is really in a tough spot. If he takes the prosecutor’s current “deal,” Guy will spend one year in prison before being able to apply for parole. If denied, he will have to serve up to three years. If he rejects the idea of a “guilty” plea and is found guilty in a trial, he then faces a minimum jail sentence of between five and ten years.

Of course, if he wins the trial, he would be free. However, we are talking New Jersey.

This is why I avoid New Jersey, preferring not to leave America.

Here is a web site that provides details on Guy’s situation, as well as a petition to sign asking that Guy be given the non-felony option: www.wesupportourguy.com

About:
Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right. Visit: www.vcdl.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nj; persecution
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He has several strikes against him. He is male, Christian, a gun owner, and a concealed carry permit holder.

I suspect those make him close to a domestic terrorist in NJ.

1 posted on 04/23/2014 8:17:14 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

A responsible gun owner today, especially one that engages in interstate travel cannot neglect the impact of his carelessness, period.


2 posted on 04/23/2014 8:21:24 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer
"A responsible gun owner today, especially one that engages in interstate travel cannot neglect the impact of his carelessness, period."

A responsible gun owner shouldn't have to leave his constitutional rights at the state border.

3 posted on 04/23/2014 8:24:02 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Of course I agree with you. But that is not a substitute for diligence. There’s not a time when I get in my truck that I don’t think about that 1911 in my console and whether it needs to be there. NEVER. It’s the same when my grand children come over - where are my guns?


4 posted on 04/23/2014 8:27:13 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: marktwain

Here’s a novel thought...

DON’T VALET WHEN YOU’RE PACKING!!!!!!!


5 posted on 04/23/2014 8:27:31 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Gaffer

Actually, I suspect that this might be a good case for SCOTUS.

It is a Constitutional right, a 2nd Amendment right. This means that the states cannot make laws that eliminate that right. A person should be able to travel anywhere within the U.S. and not be arrested for traveling with a gun.

The powers enumerated for the Federal Government cannot be abrogated by the several States.


6 posted on 04/23/2014 8:27:52 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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Ya’ did the right thing, snitch. /s


7 posted on 04/23/2014 8:28:54 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: marktwain

1 year or 3 years, he is still screwed, I wouldn’t take the plea either. I would try the full faith and credit defence on appeal, it is working for gay marriage, why not concealed permits. Your rights should not end at a state line.


8 posted on 04/23/2014 8:30:11 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: SatinDoll

I hope much the same as you, frankly. To me, it is a right not to be infringed, but in practice is not. With this simpering SCOTUS, I don’t hold much hope.

Regardless, we must each still consider our own particular situations and liabilities until that time comes.


9 posted on 04/23/2014 8:30:51 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer

I thought conservatives were for fighting to regain our constitutional rights? What exactly are saying?


10 posted on 04/23/2014 8:30:52 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Gaffer
Gun violence in NJ reached a 7 year high in 2013


11 posted on 04/23/2014 8:31:39 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Gaffer

I traveled from my home in Virginia to my parents’ home in Pennsylvania recently. My route took me through Maryland for about two miles - less than five minutes’ time spent in the state. My carry permit is honored in PA and WVa, but not Maryland.

To comply with the law I must stop somewhere in WVA (there’s nowhere near the border that’s convenient to stop), store the gun in a Maryland approved fashion, then later when I reach PA (and again there’s nowhere convenient within half an hour and “convenient” here means “gas station parking lot where anyone can see”) re-arm. Or make the entire trip with my gun locked away. Which kind of defeats the point of having it.

It’s absolutely ludicrous.


12 posted on 04/23/2014 8:35:13 AM PDT by JenB
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To: DannyTN

local militia just ought to go pick him up and carry him out of the state and arrest the local government for violating the constitution. This has to stop, and it has to stop now.

I see what Gaffer is saying, but I agree, a constitutional right is a right and doesn’t matter where you are in the US.


13 posted on 04/23/2014 8:37:37 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: marktwain

A clear violation of his civil rights. Absolutely infuriating.


14 posted on 04/23/2014 8:38:13 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: demshateGod

Practicality of action does not automatically imply disbelief of the fundamental tenets of the Second Amendment. Screwing up in carrying to a state known for its draconian gun laws is not an excuse for something that could have been easily prevented.

IOW, there is ‘fighting’ and there is fighting. Choose your ground and your advantage. I’d much rather have a conflagration with the Fed over something like out west now than over something like this. He should have known better, IMO.


15 posted on 04/23/2014 8:39:42 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: marktwain
The valet had noticed the gun when it was in the car and told the police,

If I were retrieving a gun from the trunk of my car to transport to a safe lockup place, there would be no one around. Why in heaven's name did he attempt this with a valet in attendance? Bad mistake.

16 posted on 04/23/2014 8:40:08 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: DannyTN

I’m not the poster boy for 2A dissatisfaction here. I only remarked about the need for a little diligence and common sense.


17 posted on 04/23/2014 8:40:30 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: JenB

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. I’ve had a carry license for near 20 years and it is always in my mind about where I’m going with it...


18 posted on 04/23/2014 8:42:18 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: marktwain

This man acts”Responsibly”and he is jailed?Whatever happened to”Common Sense”???????????????


19 posted on 04/23/2014 8:43:06 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Gaffer

Remember this story?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/17/Florida-Gun-Owner-With-No-Gun-Pulled-Over-Searched-And-Humiliated-In-Maryland

Apparently even legally owning a gun and leaving it at home hundreds of miles away still qualifies for a severe flogging by the jack-boots...


20 posted on 04/23/2014 8:43:41 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Bulwyf

Agreed. It’s come to that.


21 posted on 04/23/2014 8:44:25 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

Practical sense under the absolute tyrannical rule (currently) of Democrats, that’s all. By no means I think this is right - I’d be first in line to have it out in a fight that isn’t over stupidity.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:11 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: G Larry

In crystal clear hindsight —

If he knew the valet saw the gun, immediately get back in the car and drive for the nearest state border.

Well, maybe. Drones know no borders. (Nor do JBT/SWAT in full pursuit.)


23 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:13 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: DannyTN

Unfortunately, “What is”, trumps “What should be”. We CCP holders of upstate NY live with this reality all the time. Packing heat can be more trouble than it is worth in our neck of the woods. God forbid if you had to use your weapon. No matter how justified, your life would be changed forever.


24 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:30 AM PDT by MountainYankee
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To: Gaffer

I know. You were just being practical and telling people they need to be diligent when it comes to interstate travel and guns.

Dr. Phil was directed at NJ not you.


25 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:43 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Gaffer

I know. You were just being practical and telling people they need to be diligent when it comes to interstate travel and guns.

Dr. Phil was directed at NJ not you.


26 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:43 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: JenB

This pretty much sums it up:

“18 U.S. Code § 926A - Interstate transportation of firearms”

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A


27 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:54 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

No, I don’t. But tell me how this massive privacy intrusion into this citizen’s privacy and infringements on his rights in defiance of his diligence in making sure he followed the law applies to the current case of someone who “just forgot.”

Frankly, there’s no case here given the current mad-dog liberal gun temperament of northeastern states in this country. And, even if it did make it to SCOTUS, they will rule against him.


28 posted on 04/23/2014 8:49:06 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Yes: but in this specific case, on every stretch of my 7 hour journey EXCEPT the five minutes in Maryland I am legally permitted to carry a loaded weapon on my person. Not “unloaded, locked up, and inaccessible to me”. That’s the part that I find absolute garbage.


29 posted on 04/23/2014 8:49:29 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Gaffer

He should have. He made a mistake and is being treated like a criminal. Are you ok with him going to prison over a mistake? Shouldn’t Bundy have just paid his grazing fees?


30 posted on 04/23/2014 8:50:09 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marktwain

Suppose you took the gun apart as you drove through a gun free state - the parts scattered around your car. Would this still be a violation?


31 posted on 04/23/2014 8:50:16 AM PDT by mom.mom
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To: Gaffer

“I’d be first in line to have it out in a fight that isn’t over stupidity.” What was he arrested for? Being stupid? No, he was arrested for having a gun: A right protected by the constitution and natural law. You wouldn’t fight over the right to keep and bear arms? This is cognitive dissonance.

Let me back up. I’m not saying you should go spring him out of jail, though that would be just. I’m saying you need to recognize this act of tyranny as a threat to your liberty. This is a law abiding citizen being treated like a criminal.


32 posted on 04/23/2014 8:58:06 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marktwain
Bad title...

Virginia Gun Owner Being Unfairly Unconstitutionally Prosecuted In NJ For Accidentally Bringing A Gun Into The State...

Fixed.

33 posted on 04/23/2014 8:58:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: demshateGod

No ‘should have’ about it. He violated their laws, unjust and as unconstitutional as they are, IMO, and I commiserate with his problem and would show leniency in fact. But Don’t blame me for his eff up in being forgetful and careless.

My daughter is so mad at me every time I speak with her on the phone because I ask her are her guns in the quick-safe by her bed so my grand daughters get to them (or how she has to protect the combination so they don’t see it, etc.), or when my wife goes out to my truck to get cigarettes and I hound her to “make sure you lock it.”

It is a right affirmed by the Constitution for dead certain. But it is not a right to be cavalier, forgetful or negligent.


34 posted on 04/23/2014 8:58:58 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer
A responsible gun owner today, especially one that engages in interstate travel cannot neglect the impact of his carelessness, period.

Yep. Here's a really good 5 minute video on the topic.

Transporting Firearms in Vehicles

35 posted on 04/23/2014 8:59:25 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Gaffer

The guy in NJ was an idiot for “forgetting”. The Florida man simply made the mistake of driving his own car on a family trip out of state—which always draws attention of the busy body cops, who then ran his plate and found out about his CCP in FL.

Only reason I mentioned it, was because it was sort of similar with the whole out-of-state gunowner traveler harrassment.

Conservatives should avoid the NE like the plague, but if you must go—check your baggage...pretty please.


36 posted on 04/23/2014 8:59:46 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Gaffer
There’s not a time when I get in my truck that I don’t think about that 1911 in my console and whether it needs to be there.

If I have clothes on I always have my carry pistol on too. How am I going to know if it "needs" to be there in advance?

Scares me to think of someone else--maybe a guy like you, maybe someone far worse--deciding whether I "needed" it, before or after the fact.

37 posted on 04/23/2014 9:00:02 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Gaffer

Their “laws” violated the Constitution.


38 posted on 04/23/2014 9:00:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: Gaffer
He should have known better, IMO

So he should take the year?

39 posted on 04/23/2014 9:00:57 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: demshateGod

On this I wholeheartedly agree and would stand with you, Garand over my shoulder and Colt AR in hand and pistols in my belt to bring it to decision when the time comes.

I’m old enough to not care about stopping a bullet or two if it keeps someone younger alive long enough to really make a difference.

In the end, this won’t be solved with laws. It’ll happen like it has in the past.


40 posted on 04/23/2014 9:02:05 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer
given the current mad-dog liberal gun temperament of northeastern states in this country

Except NH.

41 posted on 04/23/2014 9:02:14 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: marktwain

And the fat-ass Governor wants to be President? Of what country? After 25 years of Northeast & Ivy League Presidents, look at the shape this nation is in. NO MORE Northeast & Ivy League liberals in that office.


42 posted on 04/23/2014 9:02:27 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Jim Noble

Maybe there’s some hope then. You guys should form a real militia for the extreme “northern front’.....


43 posted on 04/23/2014 9:04:06 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Fightin Whitey

You don’t know if you’re gonna be traveling to a state that has draconian gun laws? Give me a break.


44 posted on 04/23/2014 9:05:24 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Gaffer

I just think it’s time we rethink what we’re doing. Your position is the exact opposite of what it needs to be, given the atmosphere we’re in.


45 posted on 04/23/2014 9:05:38 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marktwain

They know what they are doing. By arresting and prosecuting a non-violent, law-abiding person, they inflate the arrest numbers, can crow about it, and claim to be reducing “gun violence.”

It’s much easier to railroad an innocent, normal person than a real criminal. There are hordes of pig-tailed bleeding-heart defense lawyers who will rush to defend real criminals, especially if they have dark skin.

As I have said so many times, the left aims to take guns away from honest, non-violent, law-abiding citizens, while deliberately and intentionally leaving them in the hands of violent criminals.

I will not back down from what I said. I’m right.


46 posted on 04/23/2014 9:07:23 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: mom.mom
Suppose you took the gun apart as you drove through a gun free state - the parts scattered around your car.

You would think that would make the cops happy, but maybe not. Check out the video in my post #35.

47 posted on 04/23/2014 9:07:25 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: marktwain
I'm a big believer in 1) State's rights; and 2) Individual accountability.

And for those of you here who take issue with this let me ask you one question. Is there any point in time where you DON'T know the whereabouts of your handguns?

48 posted on 04/23/2014 9:09:35 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: demshateGod

Frankly, I can appreciate your purist view even if it isn’t practical when choosing your plan and ground.

Your assessment that my position is opposite of what is needed is wholly inaccurate. To impugn my position because you cannot give up your defense of carelessness forgetfulness - whatever in his plight, is a weak argument in my opinion.

Of course we need to rethink and rearm the whole 2A thing. We just don’t need to hang our hats on a weak argument like this person’s plight. There are other venues out there where we can be more successful.


49 posted on 04/23/2014 9:12:45 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: G Larry
DON’T VALET WHEN YOU’RE PACKING!!!!!!!

That goes without saying. You should never valet your car under any circumstances, unless you don't mind getting your car back with dents, scratches, and many more miles on it than when you relinquished it. This especially applies if your car is fast and expensive, such as a Corvette, Porsche, or the like.

50 posted on 04/23/2014 9:14:15 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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