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Rand Paul on Education: "I Don't Think You'd Notice If The Whole Department Was Gone Tomorrow"
realclearpolitics.com ^ | April 23, 2014

Posted on 04/23/2014 11:28:17 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

Excerpt of the face off between Rand Paul and David Axelrod at the University of Chicago:

RAND PAUL: Education historically was a state and local subject and I think that what we've seen is since we've spent about a hundred billion dollars in the Department of Education each year and that's been going on since 1980. I'm not so sure we're better off than we were before. You see, the one thing --

DAVID AXELROD: So you would vote for a budget that would eliminate most of that.

RAND PAUL: Well what I would do is I would have its spent on the state and local level. I wouldn't take it up there at all, I'd leave it at leave it at home. So you'd spend the money. You might still spend the money in your state government, but education even now, 90, 95-percent of your education dollars are state and local. That $100 billion gets rolled around in a big bureaucracy. They sent rules down that don't help education, they hinder innovation. I would cut them out of the loop. I don't think you'd notice if the whole department was gone tomorrow.

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Axelrod was destroyed.
1 posted on 04/23/2014 11:28:17 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Paul has Reagan’s talent for explaining things in ways people understand, unlike the incomprehensible syntax of the Bushes, the whishpering syntax of John McCain, or the stuttering syntax of Mitt Romney.


2 posted on 04/23/2014 11:31:42 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Some would definitely notice - the hogs who feed from the payoff trough.


3 posted on 04/23/2014 11:32:05 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; All
Thank you for referencing that article BarnacleCenturion. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

Why doesn't Sen. Rand Paul point out that, with the exception of military training establishments, the states have never delegated to the feds, via the Constitution, the specific power to define intrastate schooling policy?

4 posted on 04/23/2014 11:32:17 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: BarnacleCenturion

The Federal Department of Education should never have exited in the first place.


5 posted on 04/23/2014 11:32:48 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

We would notice, and it would all be good. States and communities would actually get to decide what education is best for their children.


6 posted on 04/23/2014 11:33:28 AM PDT by grania
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To: Amendment10

Because most people don’t see the danger in allowing the feds to dictate state education policy.


7 posted on 04/23/2014 11:35:22 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: BenLurkin

Oh it definitely should exit; it just never should have existed.


8 posted on 04/23/2014 11:35:29 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: BenLurkin
should never have existed!
9 posted on 04/23/2014 11:35:47 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

We’d notice. It wouldn’t be long before all of the whining and crying from the union thugs would become unbearable.


10 posted on 04/23/2014 11:35:50 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: BenLurkin

> The Federal Department of Education should never have exited in the first place.

That statement applies to dozens of federal departments, beginning with Homeland Security, which should have been a slight increase in the FBI budget.


11 posted on 04/23/2014 11:38:05 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: cotton1706

Paul has Reagan’s talent for explaining things in ways people understand ...


Very true. He is a very good communicator.


12 posted on 04/23/2014 11:38:23 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Jonty30; All
Because most people don’t see the danger in allowing the feds to dictate state education policy.

I agree. But it's also a matter of the federal government's constitutionally-limited powers.

13 posted on 04/23/2014 11:39:53 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: BenLurkin

Add the Department of Energy to that list.


14 posted on 04/23/2014 11:42:19 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: BenLurkin

There is nothing in the constitution giving the feds any control or role in education. Bush sold us out on that and doubled the FED ED department with some crap that still lingers. Let teachers teach— Not a test but a subject and return properly administered corporal punishment to reestablish discipline by using school officers immune from prosecution if they stay within guidelines. The system has collapsed.


15 posted on 04/23/2014 11:45:00 AM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: cotton1706
Yes, he does. Which is why, despite certain tendencies which wander off into RINO territory and sometimes even into his papa's loony La-La Land, I could support him as POTUS.

Probably the first thing we would notice with a disappeared Department of Education is and improvement in test scores and a return of the vocational education courses which were so quickly closed down when the "everybody needs a college degree" mindset took over.

I'm grateful I got through school before then. Between my Dad and school shop classes, I've been able to do a little woodwork, plumbing and a lot of electrical work on my own-- skills which are very handy for this MBA in SAVING money even if the last time they MADE me money was working through college. I often wish I'd learned more about woodwork and plumbing.

16 posted on 04/23/2014 11:45:26 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: cotton1706

Too bad he didn’t learn Reagan’s lesson about amnesty.


17 posted on 04/23/2014 11:48:07 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Putting up with all of the whining and crying from the union thugs would be more than bearable with the offsets of actual improvements in education. These thugs are saboteurs who, in a sane society, would be sweeping streets or collecting trash.
18 posted on 04/23/2014 11:48:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

DoED created by the peanut farmer. Nuff said.


19 posted on 04/23/2014 11:48:46 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SADMILLIE

I say return K-12 to the local districts. Not even the states should be meddling in it.


20 posted on 04/23/2014 11:48:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“I could support him as POTUS.”

If we can all vote for McCain and Romney, we can all certainly vote for Paul.

Unlike those candidates that pretended to be conservative to get support, Paul has to pretend to be a little liberal to get support.

Among all the candidates, only Paul and Cruz would do ANYTHING to preserve the Constitution, as written. Bush, Huckabee, et al would continue its destruction.


21 posted on 04/23/2014 11:49:03 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I am a product of that Carter-induced monstrosity.
I graduated 126/610, in the oldest of five high schools and a trade center, in town.
I took the College Level Equivalency Program tests, while in the U.S. military, and gathered enough credits equal to two years of a four year degree, at that time.

David Axelrod is just another Communist, with the same POV they employ, ‘The State is all’.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 11:50:03 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Money has never been an answer to this. We spend more on education than any other nation per capita and still rank amongst the lowest in test scores.

Ditto for health care. We spend 1/6th of our economy on health care and still have a life expectancy no better than almost all of the modern societies. All the money we have spent seems to mostly just prolong life to the misery stage and beyond for most of the elder survivors.


23 posted on 04/23/2014 11:50:30 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: cotton1706

They speak ‘consultant’.


24 posted on 04/23/2014 11:53:32 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Yep. The peanut farmer elevated the teacher’s union to Department of Education to win their vote. Education has been going down the terlit ever since.


25 posted on 04/23/2014 11:54:57 AM PDT by Newfy
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To: Fledermaus

“They speak ‘consultant’.”

Ha! Exactly!!


26 posted on 04/23/2014 11:55:52 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
In 2010, Barack Obama called for fixing the public education system by giving us the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and “Race to the Top,”

which he said would fix the education system already fixed by the 2001 GW Bush and Ted Kennedy legislation called “No Child Left Behind,”

which was supposed to fix a system supposedly already fixed by a 1994 piece of federal legislation called “Goals 2000,”

which was supposed to fix a system already fixed by “America 2000,”

which was a 1991 response during the Bush administration to a 1983 federal report on education called “A Nation at Risk,

which was published a full four years after Jimmy Carter first fixed the nation’s public school system by establishing a cabinet-level Department of Education in 1979.

27 posted on 04/23/2014 11:56:24 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Rand states something great like this, and then, in the next breath, puts out an Amnesty plan, or states that social or moral issues have to be put on the back burner.

He is a real mixed bag.

His statement on the social issues disqualifies him from any real leadership position like POTUS.


28 posted on 04/23/2014 11:57:41 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: cotton1706

Yeah, he can explain why the GOP needs to move left.

“I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues,” Paul advised. “The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues.”


29 posted on 04/23/2014 12:00:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Maceman

I’m not sure we can stand any more fixing....


30 posted on 04/23/2014 12:02:54 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: cotton1706

LOL, I’m understanding all the pro-gay marriage/anti-social conservative, Liz Cheney threads now.

Rand Paul is too liberal for conservatives, why would anyone be pushing him this early?


31 posted on 04/23/2014 12:03:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Conservatives have always been against the Department of Education, we can choose a conservative to advance that cause, not a guy who is Obamalike on social issues and national defense, and foreign policy.


32 posted on 04/23/2014 12:06:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I confess not reading the entire article. The excerpt sounds like Rand Paul advocates continuing to spend “$100 Billion” from the federal budget, but by doling it out directly to the states, with a federal bureaucracy in the middle.

I am NOT pleased with that idea at all. The federal D.O.E. needs to go, by cutting federal education programs and spending about 15% annually until it reaches zero, to allow for the transition to freedom. States and Localities should fund state and local education from the resources of the people they serve, to the extent those people want services. The only way to avoid obeying federal orders is to stop taking federal funding.


33 posted on 04/23/2014 12:07:27 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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“Rand Paul is too liberal for conservatives, why would anyone be pushing him this early?”

Golly gee, you must been under a rock when they were promoting Romney since election day 2008. And you must’ve missed all the Jeb Bush stories lately. Or the pro-Huckabee polls.


34 posted on 04/23/2014 12:09:43 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Chewbarkah

Yes, I took that from the excerpt as well. He’s fine with the spending, just not the department. We need to zero out both, and he’s weasel-wording the job. I don’t think he can be trusted.


35 posted on 04/23/2014 12:18:14 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Yes you would. The students would start learning again instead of being brainwashed with liberal nonsense. Eliminate this Department immediately. It is worthless and very expensive.


36 posted on 04/23/2014 12:19:42 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: cotton1706

If the entire department was no more, the only thing we would see or hear from odumbo is that “Unemployment actually went down” when we all know it went UP. Who really cares, he lies all the time.


37 posted on 04/23/2014 12:19:55 PM PDT by DaveA37
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To: fwdude
Gary Johnson, former Governor of New Mexico and Libertarian Pres Nominee summed up best what federal dollars mean for local schools:

"The federal Department of Education gives each state 11 cents out of every dollar that every state spends, but it comes with 16 cents worth of strings attached. So what America does not understand is that it's a negative to take federal money. Give it to 50 laboratories of innovation, the states, to improve on, and that's what we'll see: dramatic improvement."

September 22, 2011: Fox News-Google Republican Presidential Debate in Orlando, Florida

38 posted on 04/23/2014 12:20:57 PM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: BarnacleCenturion

What a deal. The Feds take a dollar out of the state.

They waste completely 75 cents of it. They five 10 cents of it to the children of other states. They they give the state back 15 cents, but only if they comply with Federal mandates that cost $10 to implement.


39 posted on 04/23/2014 12:21:14 PM PDT by DManA
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To: BarnacleCenturion; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; Jacquerie; CottShop; metmom; xzins; ...
Another reason for the separation of School and State.
BEEP!
40 posted on 04/23/2014 12:23:27 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Chewbarkah
I think the article makes it clear he means to eliminate the role of the federal government completely.

Well what I would do is I would have its spent on the state and local level. I wouldn't take it up there at all, I'd leave it at leave it at home. So you'd spend the money. You might still spend the money in your state government, but education even now, 90, 95-percent of your education dollars are state and local. That $100 billion gets rolled around in a big bureaucracy. They sent rules down that don't help education, they hinder innovation. I would cut them out of the loop. I don't think you'd notice if the whole department was gone tomorrow.

41 posted on 04/23/2014 12:29:44 PM PDT by LambSlave
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Actually I think many teachers would notice a big change - for the better - niece who’s a teacher complains constantly about the needless and time-consuming paper work she has to submit all the time - individualized goals and standards for kids in her class which she and everyone else in school knows are unrealistic and impossible to measure and quantify - get rid of the bureaucrats with their make-work regulations, and education would take a great leap forward.....


42 posted on 04/23/2014 12:44:49 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Amendment10

I get that, but most people don’t understand why the federal government needs to be limited and their eyes will glaze over if you try to explain it to them.

If you want them to understand, you have to explain it from where they are so they do understand.


43 posted on 04/23/2014 12:47:40 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: cotton1706

It is April, 2014, why are YOU pushing the too liberal for conservatives candidate, on freerepublic, this early?


44 posted on 04/23/2014 12:48:42 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: cotton1706

Well at least one 2016 candidate inching toward naming a govtg agency he could bear to shutter. Baby steps. :-)


45 posted on 04/23/2014 12:49:24 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: BenLurkin

thank a public schoolteacher


46 posted on 04/23/2014 1:01:27 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Jonty30; All
If you want them to understand, you have to explain it from where they are so they do understand.

I agree. And if you've seen Mark Dice's interviews of ordinary people concerning the Constitution versus government policy, getting people up to speed with the Constitution's simple rules may take a little while.

47 posted on 04/23/2014 1:13:58 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

I do, however, think it is tragic that people need to be subjected to the horrors of tyranny in order to understand why it is so important to not let it get even a foothold in one’s life.


48 posted on 04/23/2014 1:15:14 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ansel12

“It is April, 2014, why are YOU pushing the too liberal for conservatives candidate, on freerepublic, this early?”

As usual, what the hell are you talking about?? I’m not “pushing” anybody. He’s one of the prospective candidates and I made a comment on a post about him. Paul is certainly more conservative than Bush or Huckabee or Christie or whatever other worthless moderate they’ll push to the top. He’s far more trustworthy than Rubio.

Who do YOU prefer. Cruz is the only candidate that I can think of that’s to the right of Paul.


49 posted on 04/23/2014 1:23:29 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Jonty30; All
I do, however, think it is tragic that people need to be subjected to the horrors of tyranny in order to understand why it is so important to not let it get even a foothold in one’s life.

Unfortunately, citizens, including patriots, have shown themselves to be "fire fighters" instead of "fire preventers" imo.

50 posted on 04/23/2014 1:26:40 PM PDT by Amendment10
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