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BLM DENIES LAND GRAB—TEXAS OFFICIALS STAND GROUND
BREITBART TEXAS ^ | 23 Apr 2014 | by BOB PRICE

Posted on 04/23/2014 1:47:11 PM PDT by kingattax

In a statement posted on the U.S. Bureau of Land Management website (BLM), federal officials denied any expansion of holdings along the Red River after Breitbart Texas brought the matter to national attention.

The nuanced denial has drawn critical reactions from a number of elected Texas officials.

BLM spokesman Paul McGuire said “The 140-acres in question were determined to be public land in 1986 when the U.S. District Court ruled on a case brought by two private landowners, each seeking to adjust boundary lines for their respective properties. The BLM was not a party to any litigation between landowners. The 140-acres were at no time held in private ownership.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: blm; dontmesswithtexas; landgrab; redriver
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1 posted on 04/23/2014 1:47:11 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Looks to me like the obama and his band of commie rats, using the BLM, are probing the enemy’s defenses before a battle.


2 posted on 04/23/2014 1:51:30 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: kingattax

Nothing the BLM says can be believed.


3 posted on 04/23/2014 1:53:06 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

This is an election year and the politicians in Texas need to make noise to keep grassroots conservatives on their side, so Mr. Abbott made his noise to draw a BLM response.


4 posted on 04/23/2014 1:55:53 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: kingattax

“The 140-acres were at no time held in private ownership.”

Then explain this:

VAN SUSTEREN: And they seized it without any compensation?

HENDERSON: Yes. I bought the land in 1979. As a matter of fact, I borrowed a portion of the money from Farmer’s Home Administration,... And they came out and inspected the land and said it was all here, surveyed it, and forced me to buy a title policy. And when we lost it, they refused to pay, even though they said that they guaranteed the title to this place whenever I was buying it and so, I have continued to have to pay for this land or the federal government would seize everything else I had. I made my last payment this January on land that I lost in 1984 in a lawsuit.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3147677/posts


5 posted on 04/23/2014 1:56:09 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: kingattax

Liars like their head witch doctor.


6 posted on 04/23/2014 1:56:24 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: kingattax

Texas Rangers are waiting top arrest them.


7 posted on 04/23/2014 2:04:15 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: kingattax
The sick thing is I never heard of the BLM until they besieged the Bundy Ranch. The government has exploded under Zero.

So wonder if Wendy "Mengele" Davis is out supporting the BLM and Harry Reid?

8 posted on 04/23/2014 2:04:39 PM PDT by hockeyfan44 (No more RINOS!!!)
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To: onedoug

9 posted on 04/23/2014 2:04:48 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kingattax
BLM is lying.

/johnny

10 posted on 04/23/2014 2:10:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Nextrush
Horsecrap. The BLM started this.

/johnny

11 posted on 04/23/2014 2:11:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: hockeyfan44

Your from Illinois—I grew up in Oregon and remember them well. They’ve gotten worse, but in states where the Feds own a good chunk of the land, they’ve been hard to miss for a while.


12 posted on 04/23/2014 2:11:40 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: hockeyfan44
The sick thing is I never heard of the BLM until they besieged the Bundy Ranch. The government has exploded under Zero.

You would have heard of them if you lived out West. They control most of the land for 1000s of square miles around me. They were around long before O came into office.

13 posted on 04/23/2014 2:12:19 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: kingattax

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/22/Exclusive-Greg-Abbott-to-BLM-Come-and-Take-It

After Breitbart Texas reported on the U.S. Bureau of Land Management’s (BLM) intent to seize 90,000 acres belonging to Texas landholders along the Texas/Oklahoma line, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott questioned the BLM’s authority to take such action.

“I am about ready,” General Abbott told Breitbart Texas, “to go to the Red River and raise a ‘Come and Take It’ flag to tell the feds to stay out of Texas.”...

As to what kind of standoff might Texas might be facing with the BLM on this matter, Abbott said, “I think that we should be able to resolve this from a legal standpoint because, I believe, what the BLM is doing clearly violates the law. They don’t have any legal standing whatsoever to do this and that’s why I have issued this letter today.”
In the letter, Gen. Abbott details five issues for the BLM to address:

Please delineate with specificity each of the steps for the RMP/EIS process for property along the Red River.

Please describe the procedural due process the BLM will afford to Texans whose property may be claimed by the federal government.

Please confirm whether the BLM agrees that, from 1923 until the ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact, the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma was the gradient line of the south bank of the Red River. To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s position.

Please confirm whether the BLM still considers Congress’ ratification of the Red River Boundary Compact as determinative of its interest in land along the Red River? To the extent the BLM does not agree, please provide legal analysis supporting the BLM’s new position.

Please delineate with specificity the amount of Texas territory that would be impacted by the BLM’s decision to claim this private land as the property of the federal government.

“The letter today,” Abbott explained, “is the first shot in the legal process. We expect answers from them and based upon their answers we will decide what legal action to take.”

asrewf

14 posted on 04/23/2014 2:13:59 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: kingattax

“In a statement posted on the U.S. Bureau of Land Management website (BLM), federal officials denied any expansion of holdings along the Red River...

Fedgov Taqqiya. Brought to you under the auspices of the mulsim in the white hut.


15 posted on 04/23/2014 2:36:35 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: hockeyfan44
The sick thing is I never heard of the BLM until they besieged the Bundy Ranch. The government has exploded under Zero.

The BLM has been around since the mid 1940s under the Department of the Interior. They're not new.

16 posted on 04/23/2014 2:44:12 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: kingattax

” on a case brought by two private landowners, each seeking to adjust boundary lines for their respective properties. The BLM was not a party to any litigation between landowners. The 140-acres were at no time held in private ownership”

Uh,,color me confused.

Two PRIVATE landowners,,seeking to adjust boundary lines,,,,and then we segue to the 140 acres (was 116 in Abbott’s letter) was “at no time held in private ownership”

Is that Obamaspeak? Can I get a translator please?


17 posted on 04/23/2014 2:47:35 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Nextrush

Uhm,, Mr Abbott doesn’t need to make any noise. His position is secure.


18 posted on 04/23/2014 2:48:14 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: hockeyfan44

So wonder if Wendy “Mengele” Davis is out supporting the BLM and Harry Reid?

Wendy is hiding under a pink rock somewhere waiting for her next Sugah Daddy to bail her out.


19 posted on 04/23/2014 2:49:11 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: kingattax

The BLM opened up a can of worms in Nevada.

However, if BLM invades Texas, it will make the Bundy raid look like a
warmup.

Tens of thousands of Texas Patriots will show up to defend Texas landowners. Don’t mess with Texas.


20 posted on 04/23/2014 2:53:58 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: microgood
Particularly if thy deny it. The more vigorous the denial, the more believable it is.
21 posted on 04/23/2014 2:58:14 PM PDT by sport
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To: austinaero
” on a case brought by two squatters, each seeking to adjust boundary lines for their respective properties. The BLM was not a party to any litigation between squatters. The 140-acres were at no time held in private ownership”

That was my best guess anyway. Who knows what these people have in their skulls.

.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 3:15:55 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: microgood

.....”Nothing the BLM says can be believed”....

Denial is the watch word for ‘this entire administration’. In other words if people don’t like it, just deny it happened.


23 posted on 04/23/2014 3:17:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

They really believe that is no such thing as truth. Everything is just a matter of perception.


24 posted on 04/23/2014 3:24:06 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: kingattax

This 140 acres is different from the current potential to take some 90,000 acres.
The Tommy Henderson case was back in the 1980s and is being used by the BLM to claim
an additional 90,000 acres. How this will all play out is yet to be determined.

snip
Tommy Henderson lost a lawsuit thirty years ago and with it 140 acres of his ranchland. The BLM victory resulted in the Oklahoma/Texas border being redrawn a mile to the south of where it had previously been.
end snip


25 posted on 04/23/2014 3:24:22 PM PDT by deport
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To: IYAS9YAS
The BLM has been around since the mid 1940s under the Department of the Interior. They're not new.

No, but they are passe.

26 posted on 04/23/2014 3:29:19 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Rusty0604

That’s pretty much bleeped up. If he purchased title insurance, and an FHA loan would have required it, then it looks like time for the insurance to pay up. OR for BLM to pack up and go home. If there is a title insurance claim then the fight would be over which feral agency pays it?


27 posted on 04/23/2014 3:34:44 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: kingattax

What they replied to is not what I understood to be the argument or premise. I was hearing about more like 190,000 acres of land. Not 140.

Liberal combat, change the argument. Deny that you know what the other party is even talking about. Answer a different question than was asked.

My wife does that and it drives me insane. It is dishonest and deceitful at best.


28 posted on 04/23/2014 3:36:11 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Nextrush

Abbott believes his noise!


29 posted on 04/23/2014 3:39:36 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: kingattax
I was looking around for more information on how the feds "manage" these public lands. I recalled that in 2011, there was a huge wildfire in eastern Arizona that destroyed over 500,000 acres of mostly alpine forest. Most of that land was in the Apache National Forest. But I remembered that it seemed odd that the wildfire came to a halt at the boundary of the indian reservation. And then I found this: Experts: Managing tribal forest helped stop Wallow Fire at reservation.

The feds should never be allowed to manage land or wildlife, in my opinion. They do nothing but destroy. The same thing happened in California in 2003, and many other states where wildfires have destroyed the forests these agencies are supposedly managing.

30 posted on 04/23/2014 3:40:00 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Nextrush

You need to read the entire article and you will see the BLM is stirring the pot in Texas, Abbott just responded to their pot stirring.


31 posted on 04/23/2014 3:41:57 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: ponygirl
A quote from the above link:
Touring the area, Jonathan Brooks, tribal forest manager for the White Mountain Apache Tribe, said forest-management strategies unhindered by environmental litigation and drawn-out federal government processes helped check the wildfire here. For decades, the tribe has cleared young trees, logged larger trees and burned underbrush to replicate the natural burn-and-growth cycle of the Ponderosa pine forest. Brooks said that made it easy for firefighters to create a backfire here to deprive the approaching Wallow Fire of fuel. “Had this area not been thinned, logged, prescribe-burned, we wouldn’t have been able to do a burnout operation here – so the fire would’ve been able to come through here unchecked,” he said.

32 posted on 04/23/2014 3:44:20 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: lonestar
Abbott believes his noise!

What do you mean by that?

33 posted on 04/23/2014 3:45:23 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: kingattax

“denied any expansion of holdings along the Red River”

Interpret this how you will, but every word needs explained.

Search
tawriya.

Maybe the ‘holdings’ are entirely new and seen from the land instead.


34 posted on 04/23/2014 3:50:12 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: kingattax

http://www.hcn.org/issues/90/2795


35 posted on 04/23/2014 3:58:21 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Sequoyah101

divorce


36 posted on 04/23/2014 4:05:57 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: RatRipper
F U B O !

37 posted on 04/23/2014 4:12:43 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: tennmountainman

Nevada was a bit of a drive. North Texas though? No problem.


38 posted on 04/23/2014 4:24:41 PM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: onedoug

Cowabonga Buffalo Bob.


39 posted on 04/23/2014 4:40:23 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: RatRipper

Advice to the BLM. Don’t mess with Texas. :-)


40 posted on 04/23/2014 4:57:02 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: kingattax

Might want to disperse any small arms/ammo and mobile weapons systems out of the NG armories before the Feds can secure them.


41 posted on 04/23/2014 5:11:57 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: thackney
In the letter, Gen. Abbott details five issues for the BLM to address:

They'll say he doesn't have standing and completely ignore it.

42 posted on 04/23/2014 5:13:14 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: hockeyfan44

I was aware of their existence for a while before the Bundy Ranch incident. However the were always low key, never head of armed (well maybe they had a shot gun for defense against wild animals in the trucks) BLM agents before Bundy.


43 posted on 04/23/2014 5:59:04 PM PDT by matt04
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To: kingattax

Where’s Billy the Kid these days?


44 posted on 04/23/2014 6:01:07 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Karl Spooner
Abbott believes what he's doing...not just because he's running for office.

He has filed about 30 lawsuits against the feds as AG.

45 posted on 04/23/2014 6:10:44 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Sequoyah101

You are right. That’s exactly what they are doing. It’s a common Leftist tactic, and what you posted is almost verbatim what I told my wife they were up to.

Typical Leftist.

One has to loudly call them on it, and yank the discussion back onto topic. They do it all the time, then look at you with their faces all screwed up (’cause you raised your voice), and say in their whiney, nasally tone “what’s the matter with you?” (Trying to change the topic even more by making you a bad guy, causing the discussion to become about you instead of what was originally the topic two twists back.)

They are infuriatingly incorrigible.


46 posted on 04/23/2014 6:16:38 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Marcella
I saw Greta's interview with this man last night. I don't understand exactly what happened here. Henderson said the case was decided in an Oklahoma court, and plaintiff was not BLM, if I understood it.

He also said the BLM didn't even want the land, and was not prepared to administrate it. They asked him to file some sort of paperwork, so that they wouldn't have to mess with it, but he refused.

How could an Oklahoma court take a Texan’s land? If the dispute was between to private individuals, why would the land be awarded to the BLM?

Why does the BLM claim rights to half the river? Does anyone have any links or knowledge regarding what really happened here? I just can't make head nor tails.

One thing I am sure of, the BLM is lying about not being interested in taking the thousands of acres, and the water that no doubt they are just itching to control.

47 posted on 04/23/2014 6:34:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
It was a feral court in Oklahoma. Not an OK state court. I've ignored OK state courts without a problem. I just don't go there. and won't, as long as my ex is there. ;)

/johnny

48 posted on 04/23/2014 6:37:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TheZMan
Probably be traffic up around Denton, though. I've got an extra cooler, just in case. ;)

/johnny

49 posted on 04/23/2014 6:40:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ponygirl

The feds currently manage based on preservation and humans=evil. By law, they are supposed to manage for multiple use, but they ignore the law...and Congress turns a blind eye.


50 posted on 04/23/2014 6:46:18 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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