Skip to comments.Moscow orders Kiev to withdraw troops from Ukraine's Donbass region
Posted on 04/23/2014 6:37:58 PM PDT by tcrlafEdited on 04/23/2014 6:40:32 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Russia has warned the Ukrainian government to pull its military from the restive southeast of its own territory, saying it could invade to protect pro-Russian separatists there just as it did in Georgia, another former Soviet republic that Moscow invaded six years ago.
In an interview with the Kremlin-owned RT (Russia Today) television station, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov for the first time compared the situation in Ukraines Donbass region where pro-Russian gunmen have seized control of strategic locations in at least 10 cities to South Ossetia, a breakaway region of Georgia. Russia invaded parts of Georgia following an exchange of fire between Georgian and South Ossetian troops in August, 2008. That war lasted just six days, ending in humiliating defeat for the Georgian army and solidifying South Ossetias de facto independence from Tbilisi.
The situation in Georgia was, during the Olympics, Russian forces began doing military “drills” along Georgia’s border, and about the same time alleged S.O. Separatists started shooting rockets at Georgian cities, thus leading to a response. More than likely, the rocket-men were Russian Spetsnaz.
I recall seeing the photos of dead Georgians chopped to pieces from what was probably helicopter fire. Big holes in them, top halves of body separated from bottom halves, with the top halfs off some 10 or so yards.
Putin is such a d-weed.
Psychological warfare. Its easier to confuse the enemy and let him be the bearer of his own downfall.
then the boys from state will come in and claim victory of no further incursions from Russia and get nothing in return....freaking liberals
yeah... uh.... well... just watch this.
I don’t understand!
We’ve done NOTHING to stop them and they’re escalating?!
How does that happen?
“Weve done NOTHING to stop them and theyre escalating?! How does that happen?”
Obama makes big pronouncements about “Red Lines” and Sanctions, then does nothing, while the US Media forgets that it ever happened, and denounces anyone that dares to Remember.
Putin knows well what that is like. He grew up with it.
What’s to fear?
This is not rhetoric, this is an ultimatum.
This is not rhetoric, this is an ultimatum.
Yes it is. It reminds me of the warnings that Red China issued as UN forces drove north to the Yalu. Those too were ignored.
Russians NEVER bluff.
Do you think a bear bluffs? Comrade, if your life is on the line and you see a bear - run!
Don’t wait around to be roadkill.
The US started it by spending an obscene amount of money fomenting regime change.
It's notable that Putin speaks to whatever his audience is as “thinking” people while Obama speaks to them like they're 10 year old children who require a parent to think for them!
So far Russia has done what it's given fair warning it will do concerning Ukraine I see no reason not to believe they'll go in if things continue to escalate on it’ border. They said this right from the get-go when the Maidan first began their protest.
Lavrov’s comments about defending Russian citizens in Ukraine is just a repeat of what Putin's been saying more than once. Dangerous to think Putin's bluffing.....he's been several steps ahead all along....I doubt should he invade, it will be as most think.
'Jet-tag' is already being played over there.....dangerous to imagine this is not building up for whatever Putin determines he will do or not do. Remember Obama said we would not go to war over Ukraine.....and now we have over 600 of our troops in Poland alone....not to mention those they are telling us about.
This administration did the same thing in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and throughout the Arab Spring. If they can destabilize Ukraine and have their way there, they've completely surrounding Russians border. Ukraine is the biggy....
What they don't get is Russia is not going to give up influence in Ukraine under any circumstances.
US is definately running it ‘all’ in Ukraine.....any one who questions needs to see this...(barf bags provided)...it’s a total takeover economically/politically by the US of Ukraine
Reading this link is not an easy thing...The US Gov. is truly remaking their entire gov. system and running the election... placing FBI, FEDS, Attorneys/ Bankers, advisors from Gas and Shale Fracking to entirely setting the Gov. system top to bottom..plus redevelopment of the nation.
Though they say “to help Ukraines’s gov. there is no legal Gov...and the US wants it that way while they set things up.....The Interim Gov are simply the doormen.
...so what happened to the EU doing this?????? We’re paying for this in billions of dollars and manpower we should be doing at home here!...including “Securing THEIR border!
Then people wonder why Russia is going to invade....The US is doing the same thing Russia did in Crimea ‘before’ the US could get that as well.
“The US started it by spending an obscene amount of money fomenting regime change.”
I hear that periodically but haven’t seen any source / background on it.
(wouldn’t be too surprised, as McCain and Hillary tried it on Egypt, backing the Muslim Brotherhood and that was a nightmare).
Would appreciate some background on that.
Above are the basics of what everyone agreed to with regard to the Ukraine. I don't see that the Kiev government restarting what it calls "anti-terrorist" operations is a reasonable thing to do given the above agreement. All sides is all sides or is it all sides except the Kiev crowd?
Where are the people from OSCE who are supposed to monitor the situation and what's their stance on Kiev sending troops to various cities where groups that disagree with the current Kiev crowd are in charge? If said opponents of Kiev vacate public buildings and spaces, they're complying with the agreement.
Anyone have a link to exactly who is going to monitor what and where the Kiev folks are exempted from the de-escalation agreement?
what right does Putin have telling Ukraine where it can moblize its forces?
Might makes right, outside the world of Barry Obama, Hillary Clinton and John F'n Kerry.
That’s a very misleading account of what happened. Georgia attacked South Ossetia in a full scale, pre-planned operation with the goal of seizing the whole territory. The idea that Georgia attacked SO spontaneously in response to some provocation is false.
Russia sees it as Kiev (illigetimate) Gov. sending troops against Russians who are resisting Junta/Nazi takeover of Ukraine along with ... US attempts to econmically and politically take over Ukraine’s Goveranance. The interim Gov. is simply a “doorkeeper” for the US/Eu.
Putin sees his “right” as equal to the US’s right when they stand against countries...Syria,Liya,Egypt,...the difference is this is Russia’s border and area of influence.
The real question is why US is soaking billions now into Ukraine’s Goverance, economically and politically, and the up coming elections. As well sending a vast array of “Experts” from Gas and Fracking people, to environmentalists, to Feds and bankers, and the list goes on...additionally over a thousand “Observers” for the election????
We are the ones taking over Ukraine.....our money, our troops, our teams there and more going.
Russia’s going to fight against this...all the way and whatever it takes to stop the isolation of Russia by Us/EU “owning” the border countries aaround Russia.
....”where the Kiev folks are exempted from the de-escalation agreement?”.....
They aren’t exempt...they know that...they choose to believe the agreement exempts them and did so from the beginning.
However we are the ones directing Ukraine’s military moves and their governance.
The EU has pretty much dropped out of the picture currently. It’s all our people in Ukraine.
Check here from the horses mouth....all we have and will have on the ground...I tend to think most are there now as Gov tells us after the fact.
Commies just love to throw out the Nazi bogeyman. Not buying it.
It most certainly is not false. There were road side bombs, attacks on Georgian police, attacks on Georgian villages, by "South Ossetians." The Russians then accused Georgia of "genocide" when the Georgian military responded, and then promptly began the murdering.
Amnesty International is now condemning actions taken by unelected Kiev government.
An independent, impartial investigation should be launched into the events leading up to todays reported loss of life at checkpoints around Slovyansk if it is found the Ukrainian forces violated international standards and resorted to arbitrary or abusive use of force, they must be brought to justice.
The armed groups hostage-taking amid their seizure of public institutions in Slovyansk and other towns and cities in eastern Ukraine is a human rights abuse, but this must not be met with human rights violations by Ukrainian security forces.
Denial is not your best attribute...
Video of Nazi march April 19 2014 in Kiev.
Oh wait, these are Russians.
So you don’t miss this... Chilling Nazi march in Kiev over Easter....Starts at 1:10 unless you can translate those speaking...makes you wonder why Kiev Gov. doesn’t stop this????
If people can't see this is a war between communism and Nazi’s in Ukraine...along with a proxy war between Russia and the US...then they will miss the whole picture entirely.
The US and Eu have learned, from going into other nations to dispose leadership, that whoever they install on a temporary basis have to be willing and able to be only a “doorkeeper” for them to continue with their operations....which they couldn't control before.
I have real concerns those in Kiev Gov are creating the turmoil so that elections cannot occur and they have further time to consolidate their government more, and acquire the $$$$$$ they covet to sustain their power. They will keep on co-operating with the US until funds are in hand or avaiable to take.
Which is likely why the US is sending so many...(hundreds) of economic and political teams there so that they don't assume complete power. This may very well backfire on the US just the same. I don't believe there will be an election any time soon.
I understand Nazi's from other countries see their chance to acquire Ukraine and many arriving daily (under disguise) to fight. Russia’ knows this is happening as well so using Chechnya's to go against them and root them out. Both are crazy and severely violent groups that are brutal in war and otherwise.
Russia: Ukraine must pull its forces from Ukraine.
Rest of the world: wtf?
Is this really happening and is the EU going to do jack shit about it other than beg the US to help?
That’s what “we the people” will be up against. It ain’t quite the way in was in 1776.
The U.S. sent 5 billion over twenty years, including during Yanukovich's election, a clear Russian puppet, and other leaders besides. The U.S. spends money like that on a huge amount of developing countries. The regime change was accomplished through the Jewish, Russian, Ukrainian, and other dissidents and the Ukrainian parliament's actions.
FYI, if Yanukovich hadn't of been having people kidnapped and beaten by his hired goons even BEFORE the Maidan protests, he might have still been in power today. The shooting that came later was only the climax of the dictator's actions. A course of action, by the way, recommended by the Russian GRU.
Svoboda and Right Sector poll in the single digits in Ukraine. You might as well appeal to Storm Front and photos of Neo-Nazis in the United States to establish that the United States is a fascist country.
At any rate when it comes to being brutal and violent who thinks about polls?... They took the Admin. building by force, burned their square down. ,and killed people along the way.... it's Ukraine culture operating and these folks were "peaceful"!
The people sitting in their government is the Ukrainian Rada, the same one that was democratically elected a few years ago.
without polls or an election...and who's running now? Same repeat as before
You reveal your ignorance. Switch off Russia today and please stop spreading information on this forum when you don't actually have any idea about Ukraine and Russia.
By the way, the Russian controlled Militants, who were the ones not actually elected to anything, do not want any voting or the election for May. They've declared their intention that they do not want it to happen, probably because they're aware of the polling data for East and South Ukraine.
....”Ukrainian Rada, the same one that was democratically elected a few years ago”....
The same ones that got them into the mess they are in today.....you cannot keep electing the same oligarchs that robbed and cheated the nation all along...and that’s what they are doing.
Further Ukraine Gov has nothing to say about what’s happening there now...it’s ALL being handled for them otherwise.
Further it’s more than comical you referring to polls.....they’ll be lucky if they make it to an election at all. But then better for those sitting in office now to consolidate their positions.
Note that you went from denying that Ukraine had a democratically elected government to then declaring that they are the ones who "got them into the mess they are in." You do not operate rationally. But as to your new claim, it was not the Ukrainian rada that had the Berkut kidnap and torture people in the run up to the Maidan, and then later began murdering people with sniper rifles. This was the action of Yanukovich under the direction of the Russian GRU.
you cannot keep electing the same oligarchs
The same oligarchs supporting the Kremlin? Can you name any of them who are members of the Ukrainian parliament, by the way?
Further Ukraine Gov has nothing to say about whats happening there now...its ALL being handled for them otherwise.
What does that mean? Are you saying that the Kremlin is "taking care of things" in East Ukraine?
Further its more than comical you referring to polls.....theyll be lucky if they make it to an election at all.
It's not comical at all. Part of the Russian propaganda war is in painting the Ukrainian government as having no support, and that everybody wants Russia to invade. The will of the people points otherwise. As for "they'll be lucky if they make it to an election at all." You can improve that luck by ceasing your shilling for the Kremlin dictator who is doing everything he can to keep those elections from happening.
But then better for those sitting in office now to consolidate their positions.
More lies. It is the self-proclaimed mayor of the "People's Republic of Donetsk" who has declared that they will not accept any election. It is the Ukrainian rada that wants the elections.
I’m rather reminded of the Austrian ultimatum to
Serbia, wherein they demanded the right to come on
Serbian soil and arrest and detain Serbs accused of
anti-austrian protests and crimes.
It was the ONE clause that Serbia would not agree to,
it was not long after that that mobilization started
and war by the powers was on.
Coming up on the 100 anniversary in just a month or so.
“We are the ones taking over Ukraine.....our money, our troops, our teams there and more going.”
Now, that is a special kind of stupidity.
Yeah, I agree...
...”Now, that is a special kind of stupidity”...
Oh really?....then check it from the horses mouth you dib-wad....count the number of teams from every area of government banking, attorneys, gas and fracking teams, and even environmental groups we’r e sending and are already there...and that’s only what they’re revealing.
I prefer not engaging with you as you take a liberal stance in how you respond by twisting what I say in order to support frame your position.
If I recall right, you have family members in Ukraine and so it’s easy to understand you’re desire would be to support the Ukraine’s Maiden group and those who desire to be under European rule. Unfortunately Ukraine has to choose both Russia and the Eu to work with and must remain neutral...otherwise the country will split as seen happening now.....So Until the current Gov. Leadership is gone the outcry against them will continue.....
We are the ones taking over Ukraine.....our money, our troops, our teams there and more going.
You nitwit. We are invited. The Russian are not. And no you simple sob we do not have troops in Ukraine.
Sept. 2005 - Aug. 2006 Minister of Economics of Ukraine. Sept. 2006 - March 2007 First Deputy Head of the Presidential Secretariat of Ukraine - Presidential Representative in the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, Presidential Envoy for control over the activity of the Security Service of Ukraine . Member of Council of National Bank of Ukraine. Mar. - Dec. 2007 Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. Member of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine. Since 2007 Peoples Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, 6th convocation. Dec. 2007 - Nov. 2008 Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Since Jan. 2009 Member of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Health. 2010 took fourth place at the Presidential Elections of Ukraine.