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Moscow orders Kiev to withdraw troops from Ukraine's Donbass region
Globe and Mail ^ | 4-23-2014 | MARK MacKINNON

Posted on 04/23/2014 6:37:58 PM PDT by tcrlaf

Edited on 04/23/2014 6:40:32 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: rbmillerjr
600 US troops plus in Poland and more in Latavia, Estonia etc. what do you expect..we step into Ukraine without the masks everybody else is wearing? ...Laughing because you say the Russians aren't invited into Ukraine, (though many live there) but then neither are the Americans invited...perhaps this will convince you..

Donestk,Ukraine

Crimea

Lugansk,Ukraine


51 posted on 04/25/2014 11:44:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

F those Russian scum. They do not control the government. The government of Ukraine wants the Russians out of Ukraine.

The governments of Poland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania have invited the US because they know the history of Russia’s naked aggression against the small guy on the block.

We do know that Russian special forces and agents are in Ukraine. Americans are not in Ukraine. The simple facts are that Russia illegally annexed Crimea and now they are provoking in Eastern Ukraine.

If the Russians keep it up they will be back in bread lines. The West, just like Reagan did, will break them economically, if they persist in these childish bullying aggressions.


52 posted on 04/26/2014 5:40:55 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: caww
If I recall right, you have family members in Ukraine

What are you talking about? I am hispanic. I have family members, like bunny rabbits, spread across the United States, Mexico and Spain, though mostly concentrated in Texas. None are in Ukraine. I am simply an American patriot and an anti-communist.

Unfortunately Ukraine has to choose both Russia and the Eu to work with and must remain neutral...

Ukraine can do whatever it wants, and the Russkies and Europeans have no business in it. I support Ukrainian freedom from tyranny; I support the Ukrainian people's right to resist a second holodomor and to defend themselves from enemy aggression; I support Ukrainian self determination without threat of being kidnapped, beaten and murdered, if they don't have opinions that Moscow approves of; I support de-communization of all Eastern-bloc states, and the United States for that matter, and the dismantling of Moscow's secret soviet structures.

53 posted on 04/26/2014 9:38:55 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Meant no offense, I mistook you for another freeper who does have family members there.

I don't think Ukraine is going to have the option of doing what it wants sort of becoming worse than the welfare state it has been, not thanks to those in office who consistently rip it off. Russia certainly isn't going to let it go yet, it's going to be a good long while to get the alternative pipeline up and operating, which bypasses Ukraine entirely. They may have cooked their own goose in that respect.

The Eu and the US will basically be babysitting Ukraine for many years. But dang, we're the primary mover in reconstructing the gov. and the infastructure earmarked ahead...they have too few skilled enough to do what's needed to turn the country around, and no money of their own..it's all gone.

Heck they aren't even able to feed their military! So much for us sending rations to them and they still aren't eating. Call went out for "neighbors" to do some of that lifting.

Further I don't see Ukraine away from the tyranny that's been there all along...as said, same ol people in charge sucking even the IMF funds already.

Yat's just went to Rome to meet the pope 'on IMF funds'.. yet he's a millionare himself...while the people struggle to survive there. So he's no better then those who preceeded him.

As I mentioned..this was out of Ukraine's citizens hands long ago...it's not about them now. Never was...and certainly nothing to do with the cry of freedom when they keep electing the same crooks over again.

54 posted on 04/26/2014 5:39:27 PM PDT by caww
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To: rbmillerjr

I don’t agree with what Russia is doing, but on the same hand there certainly are clearly different rules for some than other nation states when it comes to “invasion”.

The Eu/US have been moving across the eastern globe since the end of the cold war,.... how has Russia posed a threat to Europe or the Us?...

Further US endorsement of maidan’s right sector fascists violence, as a legitimate means of a coup, and installing a US appointed un-elected Gov in it’s place is somehow suppose to be acceptable?????..... but only as long as it is sanctioned by the US???? Otherwise, why would the outrage be as it is for those areas of Ukraine who are resisting the Kiev Governments take over of their Capital..and they’re called terrorists!

I find it very surprising that any here would think that the US doesn’t have it’s people, equally hiding behind masks, in Ukraine. The CIA and others have been there from the get go.

US didn’t like Russian missiles in Cuba. Russia is not happy with EU/US/Nato on their border....it’s really at the heart of this...and that simple.


55 posted on 04/26/2014 5:53:15 PM PDT by caww
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“I find it very surprising that any here would think that the US doesn’t have it’s people, equally hiding behind masks, in Ukraine.”

The only people I know of that believe this to be the case are AlexJones and GeorgeNoory.

“The CIA and others have been there from the get go.”

That is fanciful and unsupported speculation.

“Russia is not happy with EU/US/Nato on their border....it’s really at the heart of this...and that simple.”

Then I’d suggest that Russia join the world’s civilized nations and begin to behave as a responsible nation. It is losing credibility by the hour and you will see more nations attempting to join the West’s sphere, after these illegal activities from Russia.


56 posted on 04/26/2014 9:48:35 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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......” I’d suggest that Russia join the world’s civilized nations and begin to behave as a responsible nation”....

And just “who’s” standards of civilization would you suggest as being responsible???? Surely not ours, nor that of the EU....for neither could be said to be civilized as they once were.

You say that my stating CIA is in Ukraine as being ‘fanciful’ and ‘speculative’????....Oh Really?.......’CIA director’ John Brennan traveled to Kiev, well reported and also confirmed by the Whitehouse, so his visit to Kiev begs one question... ‘Who’ is governing Ukraine or what is left of it?....It’s also known that The Director of CIA makes such trips when his physical presence is required to authorize and fund CIA funded operations in a country.

Further...nobody’s said the head of Russia’s FSB is in Kiev as well? Sheesh rb, everyone knows the country is already in the midst of a covert intelligence war.


57 posted on 04/27/2014 4:28:32 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
This was most likely before your time but you should read and digest this story: Yushchenko asks Russia to hand over poisoning figures


58 posted on 04/27/2014 4:39:45 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: caww

“And just “who’s” standards of civilization would you suggest as being responsible???? Surely not ours, nor that of the EU....for neither could be said to be civilized as they once were.”

So, you are a moral relativist that can’t see the difference of common standards accepted by most civilized countries and that of typical rogue nations like Iran and North Korea.

Russia is showing it wants to be lumped in with these groups of rogue nations. Russia is destroying its credibility by its illegal actions of aggression against its neighbors.


59 posted on 04/28/2014 3:12:09 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

Again...which countries “standards” should the worlds nations adapt to? ....and who determines these?

Our country at one time stood by the standards of conduct and behavior of Gods word...we cannot say this today and in fact look more like in the same European death grip that Europe has experienced when they turned away from God.

You are wrong to assume there are “common standards” among countries.....although all do now kill babies and justify it.

You mention Russia being a rogue nation?????....well I will say the same of the USA as it continues to defy and ignore ‘our constitution’ and gives protection to criminals via our laws while victums are considered at fault...the list could easily go on and on......Further the US continues going into other nations to take out nation leaders who do not co-operate with the European Agenda. That is a fact and well known.

Russia is showing one thing ...that it will continue to oppose the push for World Dominance by the EU/NATO/US alliances, just as they continue to seek protect and defend their areas of influence.

Egypt refused...Libya attempted to do so , Mubarach refused to go along and also Syria...and where are they today?

This push for integration of as many nations as possible into a European controlled entity is no better than Russia’s push to gain allies as well...thus Bric...and other movements now taking place.

The difference is Europe hasn’t yet shown the real teeth it will one day reveal on those it controls and will control in the future.....

So it still boils down to powerful people condensing the world nations under their control.


60 posted on 04/28/2014 11:38:35 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sawdring

Thank you, and yes I’m aware of that time though I didn’t follow it closely. Not surprising to me that Russia was blamed for this ....it’s how Russian politics work. It could be said Russian Politics operate more like a Mafia Organization. But then so do many nations today. Corruption in all of them is pretty “standard”...as is taking out those who oppose them. We just don’t hear of most as our media is pretty much controlled as most now.

Heck...We do it here , by character assassination....and backdoor threats. Sarah Palin comes to mind where even her family members were threatened.....then there’s “the price tag” to turn votes and our pay off politicians.

So you see Our nation likes to hammer Putin when in fact we, and other nations, do the same things.......our wars are now being fought economically and politically....money exchanged and moved across the world stage to affect whatever nation our government might choose...and likewise other nations do so.


61 posted on 04/28/2014 11:51:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sawdring
Ex-Ukraines Energy Ministers "Stash" ='d..... 42 kg of gold, $4.8 million in cash, bags of diamonds… etc. And this just one member of Ukraine's Parliment..... I tend to think we could find many politicians worldwide doing likewise...they just "hide" it other ways


62 posted on 04/28/2014 11:54:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

A piker, compared to Putin I’ll bet.


63 posted on 04/28/2014 2:05:45 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

That was taken just from his home...imagine what these guys had sent out of country!

Putin’s known to be the richest man in the world...but assumed... since nobody really knows. Like the many oligarchs throughout the world, they all take a cut from everything.

I read a door, in the renovations of the Kremlin, was billed at $12,000 but actual cost is $1000. This was under Yeltzen I believe, or Gorbo? Can’t remember now, but all take their cut.


64 posted on 04/28/2014 2:20:23 PM PDT by caww
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