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Camille Paglia: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
NewsOK.com ^ | April 24, 2014 | Camille Paglia

Posted on 04/24/2014 4:45:51 AM PDT by Biggirl

The age 21 rule sets the United States apart from all advanced Western nations, and it has pushed kids toward pills and other anti-social behavior.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 21; drinking; paglia
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1 posted on 04/24/2014 4:45:51 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

It’s easier to seduce teenagers into homosexual activity if you can legally get them drunk.


2 posted on 04/24/2014 4:47:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat! And carry an umbrella.)
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To: Biggirl

Democrats are simply using all these issues (pot legalization, and now lowering the drinking age) to get young people to the polls, knowing when they get there they will most likely vote democrat.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 4:55:14 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Tax-chick

Same holds true for heterosexual activity as well.


4 posted on 04/24/2014 4:56:12 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

True, but my comment was specific to the homosexual author.


5 posted on 04/24/2014 4:57:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat! And carry an umbrella.)
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To: Biggirl

I grew up with 18. I had a buddy who worked as an orderly in an ER who used to take draft cards off of accident victims so we could buy beer when we were 16.

The idea of 21 is so absurd, I don’t even know where to begin.


6 posted on 04/24/2014 4:58:29 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Biggirl

Abolishing the age of consent gets perverts and libertarians all giddy


7 posted on 04/24/2014 4:59:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Biggirl

I remember back when the drinking age was 18 and it wasnt pretty.


8 posted on 04/24/2014 5:01:31 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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To: Biggirl

Actually, this is correct. When I was growing up in New York, 18 was the legal age, and this worked perfectly well. Since you can do everything else at 18 or even younger (getting married, joining the military, etc.), maintaining a fictional “legal drinking age” of 21 is silly.

I think they are talking about raising the “legal age” for cigarette purchases to 21 as well.

Meanwhile, kids are allowed to hang around getting stoned in public, as they did in the civic square in Denver last weekend...I think it’s because stoners are easy to control and thus pot is the government’s favorite drug.


9 posted on 04/24/2014 5:01:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: Biggirl

I recommend that people click on the Time link to read the entire essay. It’s pretty good.

I came of age during Viet Nam when the drinking age was lowered to 18 because if boys could die in a hated war they could at least have a beer publicly before they were drafted.

She makes an excellent case for the problems of binge drinking on campuses, marijuana use and texting while driving - which is now killing more people than drunks!


10 posted on 04/24/2014 5:01:51 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Tax-chick

Is that your experience?


11 posted on 04/24/2014 5:05:53 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

I only know what I read on FR.


12 posted on 04/24/2014 5:07:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Celebrating the return of Piper after 16 days on the lam. Have a drink!)
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To: stormer
All your wisdom and understanding comes from direct personal experience?

Congratulations, you've performed a valuable service for those who've been around you!

13 posted on 04/24/2014 5:13:57 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Biggirl

Nothing and I mean nothing good comes from drinking.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 5:26:20 AM PDT by LumberJack53213
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To: Biggirl

Where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the right to dictate the drinking age to the states?


15 posted on 04/24/2014 5:27:34 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

OOOH! OOOH! OOOH! I know!

NOWHERE.


16 posted on 04/24/2014 5:30:10 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Biggirl

Discussion from yesterday:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3147730/posts


17 posted on 04/24/2014 5:31:12 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

No biggie deal.


18 posted on 04/24/2014 5:32:49 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Yo-Yo

It’s not just a coincidence that this falls on the heels of marijuana legalization.


19 posted on 04/24/2014 5:33:03 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Second Amendment First

I have so many muti-threads posted before.


20 posted on 04/24/2014 5:33:35 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

No big deal.
Just linking for more FReepers thoughts on the subject.


21 posted on 04/24/2014 5:36:12 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: LumberJack53213

Hmm . . . that view seems to be at variance with both recent large-scale clinical studies that suggest health benefits from moderate alcohol consumption in general and from drinking red wine in particular, and with the advice of the Holy Apostle Paul to Timothy concerning the digestive benefits of wine. If drinking were all that bad, would Our Lord’s first public miracle been the conversion of water into wine?


22 posted on 04/24/2014 5:46:08 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Daveinyork; PubliusMM
Where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the right to dictate the drinking age to the states?

You guys don't know much about the Cobnstitution, do you? It's found right after the clause that says it's alright to murder babies.

23 posted on 04/24/2014 5:50:04 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: Biggirl
No biggie deal.

No searchie deal.

24 posted on 04/24/2014 5:53:21 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

....And that is how it should be.........no biggie.


25 posted on 04/24/2014 5:58:33 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Let see. Laws against minors drinking cause them to take drugs. I wonder if laws against robbery cause the robbers to commit murder? In general, the vermin like the author of this article want unlimited boy-boy, girl-girl,boy-girl sex in public. They want unlimited public drunkenness whether by alcohol, or drugs, no work, free "things".

The argument used by the author is so stupid that it probably originated with the White House; i.e. since a law does not work 100% repeal it. Genius sheer genius!

26 posted on 04/24/2014 6:00:46 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: The_Reader_David

“Hmm . . . that view seems to be at variance with both recent large-scale clinical studies that suggest health benefits from moderate alcohol consumption in general and from drinking red wine in particular.”

Yeah, for sure. Lately, these studies have been breaking my way. Moderate alcohol ok, coffee ok, salt ok. Now, if bacon should be found ok I will be - in hog heaven :)


27 posted on 04/24/2014 6:01:33 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: humblegunner; Biggirl

I have done the same myself by searching for an exact headline. Often a different source has a slightly altered title.


28 posted on 04/24/2014 6:02:12 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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mark


29 posted on 04/24/2014 6:02:52 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

BINGO!.............You got it!


30 posted on 04/24/2014 6:03:04 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: The_Reader_David

Haven’t you heard that the reference to wine in the bible really means grapeJUICE? Seriously, that is what a lot of bible quoters used to say. Of course it is hard to explain how they could have kept juice from fermenting naturally when there was no refrigeration and no way to bottle or can juice to prevent fermentation. Realistically the only thing they could do with grapes would be to either eat them fresh, dry them into raisins or convert the juice to wine. The bible does warn against overindulgence in alcohol which is just as valid advice now as it was then.


31 posted on 04/24/2014 6:03:06 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Daveinyork
Where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the right to dictate the drinking age to the states?

Nowhere, but that didn't stop Reagan from doing it. I remember, I was 20 when it changed. It was basically "change to 21, or lose your highway funding"

32 posted on 04/24/2014 6:06:20 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: The_Reader_David

I am speaking anecdotally from the many ruined marriages, date rapes, deaths and ruined friendships from the overuse of booze. Our Lord drank wine as a celebration and in moderation , something that the modern world has no concept.


33 posted on 04/24/2014 6:07:15 AM PDT by LumberJack53213
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I believe it’s called unintended consequences.
Some people are going to get high however they can. The recent crackdown on prescription drugs has resulted in an increase in heroin use because it is now cheaper and easier to get than oxycodone.


34 posted on 04/24/2014 6:07:16 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Graybeard58

I thought it was after the clause that says that the federal government can require citizens to buy something they don’t want as long as you include a fine for not doing so and then the supreme court rules that you lied when you said the fine was not a tax when in fact it is a tax and you can require anything as long as there is a tax to be paid for not doing it so the government could require us all to eat sourkraut on Tuesdays or not eat sourkraut at all or only eat sourkraut between four and six AM on Sunday as long as the penalty for not eating sourcraut is a tax and not a fine even though you claimed all along that it was a fine or a penalty or something but it definitely was not a tax but then the insane supreme court ruled that you lied all along and it really was a tax.

Jackie Mason could say it a lot better than I but then I am not the Ultimate Jew and could never be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8vDVwVYyEo


35 posted on 04/24/2014 6:15:01 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
i.e. since a law does not work 100% repeal it.

Prohibition was not only a law but a constitutional amendment, and it wasn't even close to 100% working, and it was repealed.

And it did cause many otherwise law abiding citizens to commit crimes such as frequenting speakeasys and making bathtub gin. And it occurred at all levels of society.

36 posted on 04/24/2014 6:18:36 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Biggirl
In my experience, 40 years ago, alcohol was easily available. Buying beer from the deli store, the owner was Greek, all he saw was cash. ID? Perish the thought, we're doing business here.

A Friday afternoon was absurd, so many cars filled with high school kids going to the deli..

Not sure what it's like today for the underage youths.

37 posted on 04/24/2014 6:21:31 AM PDT by csvset
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To: livius

Actually, this is correct. When I was growing up in New York, 18 was the legal age, and this worked perfectly well.

**************

Same, but in Texas. As far as I am concerned if they can tap you for conscription you are old enough to drink, period.


38 posted on 04/24/2014 6:24:34 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Tax-chick

One can always drink privately in one’s own home no matter what age one is.


39 posted on 04/24/2014 6:28:22 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

True, assuming the beverages are available.


40 posted on 04/24/2014 6:38:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Celebrating the return of Piper after 16 days on the lam. Have a drink!)
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To: livius

Married at 16

Could not buy ETOH until 18 in the first state we lived

Could not buy ETOH until 21 in the second state we lived

Had a mortgage, car payments and full family and work responsibilities at 18.


41 posted on 04/24/2014 6:39:37 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Tax-chick

My kids drank at home under my supervision at every celebratory event from the age of 12 or so. They had wine/water mix at the table at celebratory events from the time they could hold a wine glass. If the teens wanted to try a specific beer or spirit I would purchase it and we would sample.

It demystified alcohol and helped them integrate ETOH use into their lives.

I remember my son telling me that he sort of laughed up his sleeve at his friends who would get a bottle of ETHOH and drink it and treat it like contraband. He said: I know that I can come home and ask for a drink if I wanted it and I would get it. I am so much freer than they are.


42 posted on 04/24/2014 6:42:46 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

Our babies (and an occasional pet) have always liked a bit of wine.


43 posted on 04/24/2014 6:45:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Celebrating the return of Piper after 16 days on the lam. Have a drink!)
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To: Daveinyork

Well, the Feds didn’t dictate. They just told the states that if they didn’t up the age, highway funds would be denied. It was blackmail.


44 posted on 04/24/2014 7:06:31 AM PDT by MisterArtery
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To: LumberJack53213
Heavy boozing may be Anglo-Saxon culture. Certainly Mediterranean people don't overinduldge. Of course, then there are the Russians...
45 posted on 04/24/2014 7:12:19 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Russians are lightweights, compared to Poles.


46 posted on 04/24/2014 7:13:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Really! Oh, well, that cold weather...


47 posted on 04/24/2014 7:14:43 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

As they say, Don’t spit in the wind, don’t tug on Superman’s cape, and don’t get into a drinking contest with a Pole.


48 posted on 04/24/2014 7:17:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MisterArtery

OK, where in the constitution does it authorize the federal government to provide the states with highway funds?


49 posted on 04/24/2014 7:35:55 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Chickensoup
When I turned 18, my parents had no problem with me grabbing a beer from the fridge.

I allow my 12 YO son a sip or two of new wines or brews I bring into the house...under my supervision of course. Thanks to a wine & viticulture class I'm taking for fun this semester, I've been bringing home a bottle or two every couple of weeks.

He's seen the problems created by his older siblings when they've had too much to drink, so I think he'll be more responsible when he's older.

My attitude towards the drinking age is simple: if you can enlist in the Army at 18, you should be able to have an adult beverage in public.

The current laws contribute to the prolonged adolescence of young adults today.

50 posted on 04/24/2014 8:15:43 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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