Skip to comments.Camille Paglia: The Drinking Age Is Past Its Prime
Posted on 04/24/2014 4:45:51 AM PDT by Biggirl
The age 21 rule sets the United States apart from all advanced Western nations, and it has pushed kids toward pills and other anti-social behavior.
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It’s easier to seduce teenagers into homosexual activity if you can legally get them drunk.
Democrats are simply using all these issues (pot legalization, and now lowering the drinking age) to get young people to the polls, knowing when they get there they will most likely vote democrat.
Same holds true for heterosexual activity as well.
True, but my comment was specific to the homosexual author.
I grew up with 18. I had a buddy who worked as an orderly in an ER who used to take draft cards off of accident victims so we could buy beer when we were 16.
The idea of 21 is so absurd, I don’t even know where to begin.
Abolishing the age of consent gets perverts and libertarians all giddy
I remember back when the drinking age was 18 and it wasnt pretty.
Actually, this is correct. When I was growing up in New York, 18 was the legal age, and this worked perfectly well. Since you can do everything else at 18 or even younger (getting married, joining the military, etc.), maintaining a fictional “legal drinking age” of 21 is silly.
I think they are talking about raising the “legal age” for cigarette purchases to 21 as well.
Meanwhile, kids are allowed to hang around getting stoned in public, as they did in the civic square in Denver last weekend...I think it’s because stoners are easy to control and thus pot is the government’s favorite drug.
I recommend that people click on the Time link to read the entire essay. It’s pretty good.
I came of age during Viet Nam when the drinking age was lowered to 18 because if boys could die in a hated war they could at least have a beer publicly before they were drafted.
She makes an excellent case for the problems of binge drinking on campuses, marijuana use and texting while driving - which is now killing more people than drunks!
Is that your experience?
I only know what I read on FR.
Congratulations, you've performed a valuable service for those who've been around you!
Nothing and I mean nothing good comes from drinking.
Where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the right to dictate the drinking age to the states?
OOOH! OOOH! OOOH! I know!
Discussion from yesterday:
No biggie deal.
It’s not just a coincidence that this falls on the heels of marijuana legalization.
I have so many muti-threads posted before.
No big deal.
Just linking for more FReepers thoughts on the subject.
Hmm . . . that view seems to be at variance with both recent large-scale clinical studies that suggest health benefits from moderate alcohol consumption in general and from drinking red wine in particular, and with the advice of the Holy Apostle Paul to Timothy concerning the digestive benefits of wine. If drinking were all that bad, would Our Lord’s first public miracle been the conversion of water into wine?
You guys don't know much about the Cobnstitution, do you? It's found right after the clause that says it's alright to murder babies.
No searchie deal.
....And that is how it should be.........no biggie.
The argument used by the author is so stupid that it probably originated with the White House; i.e. since a law does not work 100% repeal it. Genius sheer genius!
“Hmm . . . that view seems to be at variance with both recent large-scale clinical studies that suggest health benefits from moderate alcohol consumption in general and from drinking red wine in particular.”
Yeah, for sure. Lately, these studies have been breaking my way. Moderate alcohol ok, coffee ok, salt ok. Now, if bacon should be found ok I will be - in hog heaven :)
I have done the same myself by searching for an exact headline. Often a different source has a slightly altered title.
BINGO!.............You got it!
Haven’t you heard that the reference to wine in the bible really means grapeJUICE? Seriously, that is what a lot of bible quoters used to say. Of course it is hard to explain how they could have kept juice from fermenting naturally when there was no refrigeration and no way to bottle or can juice to prevent fermentation. Realistically the only thing they could do with grapes would be to either eat them fresh, dry them into raisins or convert the juice to wine. The bible does warn against overindulgence in alcohol which is just as valid advice now as it was then.
Nowhere, but that didn't stop Reagan from doing it. I remember, I was 20 when it changed. It was basically "change to 21, or lose your highway funding"
I am speaking anecdotally from the many ruined marriages, date rapes, deaths and ruined friendships from the overuse of booze. Our Lord drank wine as a celebration and in moderation , something that the modern world has no concept.
I believe it’s called unintended consequences.
Some people are going to get high however they can. The recent crackdown on prescription drugs has resulted in an increase in heroin use because it is now cheaper and easier to get than oxycodone.
I thought it was after the clause that says that the federal government can require citizens to buy something they don’t want as long as you include a fine for not doing so and then the supreme court rules that you lied when you said the fine was not a tax when in fact it is a tax and you can require anything as long as there is a tax to be paid for not doing it so the government could require us all to eat sourkraut on Tuesdays or not eat sourkraut at all or only eat sourkraut between four and six AM on Sunday as long as the penalty for not eating sourcraut is a tax and not a fine even though you claimed all along that it was a fine or a penalty or something but it definitely was not a tax but then the insane supreme court ruled that you lied all along and it really was a tax.
Jackie Mason could say it a lot better than I but then I am not the Ultimate Jew and could never be.
Prohibition was not only a law but a constitutional amendment, and it wasn't even close to 100% working, and it was repealed.
And it did cause many otherwise law abiding citizens to commit crimes such as frequenting speakeasys and making bathtub gin. And it occurred at all levels of society.
A Friday afternoon was absurd, so many cars filled with high school kids going to the deli..
Not sure what it's like today for the underage youths.
Actually, this is correct. When I was growing up in New York, 18 was the legal age, and this worked perfectly well.
Same, but in Texas. As far as I am concerned if they can tap you for conscription you are old enough to drink, period.
One can always drink privately in one’s own home no matter what age one is.
True, assuming the beverages are available.
Married at 16
Could not buy ETOH until 18 in the first state we lived
Could not buy ETOH until 21 in the second state we lived
Had a mortgage, car payments and full family and work responsibilities at 18.
My kids drank at home under my supervision at every celebratory event from the age of 12 or so. They had wine/water mix at the table at celebratory events from the time they could hold a wine glass. If the teens wanted to try a specific beer or spirit I would purchase it and we would sample.
It demystified alcohol and helped them integrate ETOH use into their lives.
I remember my son telling me that he sort of laughed up his sleeve at his friends who would get a bottle of ETHOH and drink it and treat it like contraband. He said: I know that I can come home and ask for a drink if I wanted it and I would get it. I am so much freer than they are.
Our babies (and an occasional pet) have always liked a bit of wine.
Well, the Feds didn’t dictate. They just told the states that if they didn’t up the age, highway funds would be denied. It was blackmail.
Russians are lightweights, compared to Poles.
Really! Oh, well, that cold weather...
As they say, Don’t spit in the wind, don’t tug on Superman’s cape, and don’t get into a drinking contest with a Pole.
OK, where in the constitution does it authorize the federal government to provide the states with highway funds?
I allow my 12 YO son a sip or two of new wines or brews I bring into the house...under my supervision of course. Thanks to a wine & viticulture class I'm taking for fun this semester, I've been bringing home a bottle or two every couple of weeks.
He's seen the problems created by his older siblings when they've had too much to drink, so I think he'll be more responsible when he's older.
My attitude towards the drinking age is simple: if you can enlist in the Army at 18, you should be able to have an adult beverage in public.
The current laws contribute to the prolonged adolescence of young adults today.