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A Defiant Rancher Savors the Audience That Rallied to His Side
NYT ^ | 4/23/14 | Adam Nagourney

Posted on 04/24/2014 6:49:32 AM PDT by smokingfrog

BUNKERVILLE, Nev. — Cliven Bundy stood by the Virgin River up the road from the armed checkpoint at the driveway of his ranch, signing autographs and posing for pictures. For 55 minutes, Mr. Bundy held forth to a clutch of supporters about his views on the troubled state of America — the overreaching federal government, the harassment of Western ranchers, the societal upheaval caused by abortion, even musing about whether slavery was so bad.

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“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; racist
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Bundy is now being slammed by the left for being a racist.
1 posted on 04/24/2014 6:49:32 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

The case can be made without advocating or even musing on chattel slavery. This is not about PC.

Now to read the article...


2 posted on 04/24/2014 6:55:07 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: smokingfrog

See, we told you the tea party is full of racists.

~Liberal media


3 posted on 04/24/2014 6:58:51 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: smokingfrog
Like clockwork, the slime’rat response - smear and attack the victim.

These people are despicable.

4 posted on 04/24/2014 6:59:22 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: smokingfrog
Want the truth? The Left can't handle the truth.

The government doesn't grant rights. Therefore the government didn't give the people raising a ruckus in the '60s any more rights than they had. What the government did do was grease the skids so the selfsame people who had previously been encouraged to excel no longer had to do so. Some favor. People who had previously been determined to better their lot through hard work now found it no longer necessary. The family breadwinner became optional, then a burden (reduced benefits). The family broke down for any in thrall to the Government, and once again, millions had a master, who could bestow benefits or take them away almost at a whim: the Government.

Freedom?

No, just a different style of chains.

God bless everyone who did not opt in, who remained independent, who worked hard to be their best, and who kept their families together.

5 posted on 04/24/2014 7:01:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: smokingfrog
Some say that "deadbeat journalist" Adam Nagourney of the New York Times is good friends with certain Hollywood honchos and puppeteers...
6 posted on 04/24/2014 7:07:12 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: smokingfrog
You just can’t let this go by, or everybody is going to be like, ‘If Bundy can break the law, why can’t I?’ ”

And it could get even worse. Maybe something like "I won't pay my back taxes until I get appointed to a cabinet post."

7 posted on 04/24/2014 7:08:29 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: smokingfrog

Let the character assassination begin...I’m surprised it took this long...

Effin’ vermin...need to be exterminated.


8 posted on 04/24/2014 7:09:33 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Exactly.

Bundy and everyone that supported him are now racists.
Of course they knew that all along...

9 posted on 04/24/2014 7:10:29 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Smokin' Joe
No, just a different style of chains.

And they are not the kind that some government will remove. Indeed, the government wants those chains!

10 posted on 04/24/2014 7:11:02 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Fido969
the slime’rat response - smear and attack the victim.

When a man sticks a "kick me" sign on his own behind...

If he had a better grasp of the fact that black family life has disintegrated in direct correlation to the "War on Poverty", he has a defensible position. Throwing out that "picking cotton" allusion is just stupid.

11 posted on 04/24/2014 7:11:06 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: smokingfrog
Bundy is now being slammed by the left for being a racist.

Actually, if these statements are accurate he will be slammed by 90% of America for pretty blatant racist remarks. Paul, Heller, etc, pretty much everyone is going to walk about from someone who talks like this.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

I mean, come on now. You can't stand around talking about how the negro should have learned to pick cotton. I mean, even the most hard headed amongst us should understand that you can't ally yourself politically with a person who makes such remarks.

Conservatives really, really, need to pick their battles better. How so many of us get suckered into supporting cranks, completely unelectable candidates, scam artists like Herman Cain who run for office to fund a book tour, etc, etc, I will never understand.

12 posted on 04/24/2014 7:12:08 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Actually, if these statements are accurate he will be slammed by 90% of America for pretty blatant racist remarks.

I wonder what those percentages are on this board. I can see this thread turning into a powder keg.

13 posted on 04/24/2014 7:15:21 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Longbow1969

Is there any way we can get a consultant out to these folks before they start talking about ‘legitimate rape’ and ‘the Negro’?

Seriously, the first think the NYT is going to do is send a reporter out there and say ‘What do you think about how the government treats blacks?’ and then write down the perfect response.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 7:18:29 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Longbow1969

I think Mr. Clive Bundy has officially jumped the shark.

I’m reminded of George Zimmerman. The issues surrounding the shooting of Trayvon Martin were all correct. But Zimmerman personally was a tool; he was no shining example of conservatism. And neither is Bundy.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 7:18:32 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Longbow1969

So because he made less than articulate, but truthful statements we should abandon him to the US Gestapo?

Really?

I won’t brand him as a racist because he comments on his observations...”picking cotton” is a euphimism, a poor one, but one nonetheless regarding WORK.

This is a par for the course tactic by leftist scum...


16 posted on 04/24/2014 7:19:33 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Longbow1969

If these quotes are accurate, this is a needless self inflicted wound. It plays directly into the hands of the Left and Harry Reid and will be used to attack conservatives and justify further Federal intrusions.


17 posted on 04/24/2014 7:19:38 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: don-o

Yep...you’re probably right.


18 posted on 04/24/2014 7:21:24 AM PDT by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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To: Fido969

Realistically this signals that Bundy is finished. How sad. You can be right but politically wrong and that will finishh you.


19 posted on 04/24/2014 7:21:48 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: SZonian
He should have brought up that all Americans suffer when they ‘take’ from the government. Picking one group over the other will always create a division.
20 posted on 04/24/2014 7:24:35 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: don-o
I wonder what those percentages are on this board. I can see this thread turning into a powder keg.

I dunno, I hope most people here are smart enough to know you can't say idiotic things like this. These are sort of the ramblings of an old guy from an older generation. His heart may be in the right place, but these statements will alienate pretty much everyone. Every smart conservative will understand they can't be associated with this sort of thing and run as far away as possible. You just can't go around babbling about how the negro might be better off learning to pick cotton.

The real problem here is too many conservatives, through their support, allowed Bundy to become something of the face of the Western land battle. Now that public face is completely tainted by comments like this, which does serious damage to the broader issue for our side. Worse, assuming these are Bundy's real statements, they will serve to vindicate slimeball Harry Reid on this issue in much of the court of public opinion.

Folks should have looked much harder at this guy before throwing their support behind him.

21 posted on 04/24/2014 7:31:25 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually...”

Does the first sentence in this smear give you a freaking clue that this is a chopped up, out of context, hit piece?

It is pretty obvious by the “I want to tell you one MORE thing...”!


22 posted on 04/24/2014 7:32:37 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: smokingfrog

“Guys if you have the cameras rolling, keep in mind that your language and behavior is going to sway people’s opinions. It is early and perceptions are everything right now. Please, all you Patriots out there keep your cool when standing your ground.” TheArizona 4/10/2014

(facepalm) insert facepalm emoticon/image here.


23 posted on 04/24/2014 7:37:27 AM PDT by TheArizona
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To: Longbow1969

Precisely. AA has a maxim “principles, not personalities.” That works well across most of life.


24 posted on 04/24/2014 7:37:52 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Truth29

” this is a needless self “

Why would you call Bundy a needless self?

See how that works when you chop thing up and take it out of context? That is exactly what the NYT did here.

Read the first sentence again carefully.


25 posted on 04/24/2014 7:39:01 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Give us ANY possible context that would make his statement acceptable? I’ll wait here.


26 posted on 04/24/2014 7:40:06 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: struggle

All I can say is, if he was misquoted and there is some way to prove it, the NYT is through.

Through.


27 posted on 04/24/2014 7:40:12 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: struggle
Is there any way we can get a consultant out to these folks before they start talking about ‘legitimate rape’ and ‘the Negro’?

LOL, yeah, seriously. Some conservative group needs to focus exclusively on getting "language consultants" out to every single Republican candidate, conservative icon, rising right of center star, etc. This consultant will simply remind them to never, ever talk about legitimate rape (or rape at all if it can be avoided), anything to do with the body magically preventing pregnancy, the word "negro" at all, especially the word "negro" and "picking cotton" in the same sentence, etc, etc.

28 posted on 04/24/2014 7:41:00 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: don-o

What was the conversation about? Did the reporter ask a bunch of questions about pre-civil war slavery?

It’s obvious that there was much more to the conversation.


29 posted on 04/24/2014 7:44:39 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: SZonian

Glenn Beck today basically called Bundy a psycho... And when the Feds come and stick a machine gun in your face threaten your family and sick dogs on you.... bend over and take like a man.That an armed response to anything is not the answer...(Said the man with a ccw and gun collection and armed body guards.)


30 posted on 04/24/2014 7:45:08 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If the NYT didn’t get it on tape, it’s deniable. I really can’t see anyone other than a halfwit making a statement like that to a reporter.


31 posted on 04/24/2014 7:49:40 AM PDT by struggle
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To: smokingfrog

I you haven’t made it til the left slams you for racism. Bundy has now officially hit the bigtime. :-)


32 posted on 04/24/2014 7:52:32 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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Did the reporter ask a bunch of questions about pre-civil war slavery?

Even if he did, so what? The disintegration of the black family has nothing to do with slavery. The causes are much more recent.

33 posted on 04/24/2014 7:52:49 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yep, Racism is the worst possible crime one can commit in today’s America.

You could murder 20 people in cold blood, and people will forgive you....But say something that could be construed as racist, and you can forget it.


34 posted on 04/24/2014 7:54:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: baddog 219

I thought Beck was quitting.


35 posted on 04/24/2014 7:55:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: don-o

It makes a difference if the only part of a long conversation they print was something that related to the first part.

Liberals do this all the time, and I’d be willing to bet that the NYT sent the reporter out there with orders to do exactly that.


36 posted on 04/24/2014 7:58:57 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: All
Something to consider:

Cliven Bundy was not selected as the most politically correct stand to make. He was defaulted to as an emergent opportunity to forestall the momentum of the Leviathan.

My neighbor may be a hate-driven racist KKK member who worships Satan and makes a living as an Obamacare navigator and by night runs a Cloward-Piven advocacy group. I still don't want Federal agents storming his house and training snipers on his family and setting up "First Amendment zones" around the corner and performing other acts of disgusting nasty foul and vicious tyranny in order for a corrupt Senator to profit and the ruling class to be amused at more entertaining citizen blood...

...with unpaid cow snack fees as justification.

I don't think his dog should be shot either.
37 posted on 04/24/2014 7:59:49 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: smokingfrog
"Bundy is now being slammed by the left for being a racist"

If the quote is accurate, it sounds racist to me. I'm not even on the edge of wonderin' if it was racist.

To compare enslavement, not in the metaphorical sense, but real sold-on-the-block slavery with welfare dependency is ludicrous.

Especially with spiced with reference to picking cotton. Do they even grow cotton in Nevada?

38 posted on 04/24/2014 8:07:29 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: baddog 219

Glenn Beck is a self-aggrandizing idiot...I wrote him off years ago and was pilloried on this forum for saying so.


39 posted on 04/24/2014 8:13:06 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: struggle; HamiltonJay

Let’s wait and see how this plays out.

Reid really drew a bead on this guy, for the last week or so. Could be Read know of this ahead of time, in which case it would be warranted criticism.

If however the NTY stepped into this with a made-up quote, we should get (very) in their face.

One or the other. I don’t think we know the facts completely yet.


40 posted on 04/24/2014 8:14:13 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Fido969

Well it didn’t help that the man said something flat out stupid.

I agree with his likening the plantations to the welfare state, we say that all the time around here because it’s right.

But he went WAY too far when he said, “[black people are enslaved to the state] because they never learned to pick cotton”.

The man is political nuclear waste now. Of course his cause was/is just but he just played right into the leftists grubby hands with that, yes I’ll say it, RACIST comment.

I hope it isn’t true. Maybe he didn’t say black people are in jail and abort their babies “because they never learned how to pick cotton”. But if he did, he just destroyed his own cause and that of any other citizen fighting against the jack boot of the state.


41 posted on 04/24/2014 8:16:51 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: smokingfrog

Is the recent bloody Cattle Massacre at Nevada Cattle Rancher Bundy’s Pioneer Corral damaging the Democrat Party in eyes and words of the Democrat Left Stream Media?

To put this latest Medieval “Kill for Sport” event in historical context, all one has to do is remember that the Democrat Party was the Founding Party of the KKK.

Is the modern day equivalent of the KKK the Bureau of Feudal Land Management, (BFLM) ?

If so, then Feudal Lord Reid would then be “The Grand Dragon of the BFLM.”

Feudal Lord Reid’s Rustlers are hired guns, who are furious but not fast, which also applies to their bitter, vengeful, senile, multimillionaire Leader: Feudal Lord Reid.

With the past Democrat-based KKK, and now the present Democrat-controlled BFLM, ethics be damned, as abject fear is the main goal of both of these ethically Medieval Outlaw Gangs, past and present.

“Ethics” will be justified later by Liberals who will write the “revised” PC History of these times, past and present; of powerful men with outlaw hatred toward free people in America, Black or White, poor or rich.

The Jackboot Heel of Democat Tyranny is now upon us, AGAIN !

MOVE ON!
FORWARD!

_____________________________

Occupy Wall Street people were volunteer shock troops for The Democrat Federal Government of Obama, Pelosi, Holder and Schumer.

Reid’s Rustlers were hired shock troops for the Democrat Federal Government of Reid, Obama and Holder.

Occupy Wall Street people attacked businesses in large cities.

Reid’s Rustlers attacked cattle in an isolated Nevada Corral.

Both Occupy Wall Street and Reid’s Rustlers destroyed private property and private jobs.

Both Occupy Wall Street and Reid’s Rustlers were financially supported, (indirectly and directly, respectively), by the Democrat Obama Administration.

Both Occupy Wall Street and Reid’s Rustlers were publicly encouraged by the Democrat Obama Administration, and the Democrat Left Stream Media.

MOVE ON!
FORWARD!


42 posted on 04/24/2014 8:23:17 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Beagle8U
The NY Slimes is a propaganda arm of the liberal government. I don't trust anything they say, especially if it's not recorded. Bundy is definitely a target the left wants to take down.
43 posted on 04/24/2014 8:28:30 AM PDT by peeps36 (Save The Tortoise And Kill The People)
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To: Theoria
“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,”...

It sounds like he's responding to a question or some such...baited IMO.

Those who are "wise" to the shenanigans of the left probably wouldn't have fallen for it, but Mr. Bundy probably doesn't bother himself with the day to day activities, tactics and motives of the leftists as he works a real job to provide for his family.

44 posted on 04/24/2014 8:33:23 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Bundy needs a better GPS that wont lead him around the Vegas housing projects.


45 posted on 04/24/2014 8:36:59 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Theoria

Until I see a sourced and verifiable version of his “comments”, I’m not buying one word of it...

For FReepers to take “NYT overheard” as truth vs. verify anything and everything the lying sacks of excrement at the NYT print as gospel truth demonstrates a fear of being even remotely connected to a man who is being pilloried by the left because he dared stand up to the USG and by extension, Harry Reid.

This whole thing stinks.


46 posted on 04/24/2014 8:45:05 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
Until I see a sourced and verifiable version of his “comments”, I’m not buying one word of it...

Does anyone know if there is any single media outlet that seems to have good and direct contact with Bundy and could ask him to deny (or cofirm) the accuracy of the statement?

47 posted on 04/24/2014 8:48:58 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: smokingfrog

He is correct.


48 posted on 04/24/2014 9:50:21 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: don-o

There is a link to a video of him making the statement here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3148094/posts?page=161#161

I wasn’t able to make out the question or statement that immediately preceded his comments...


49 posted on 04/24/2014 10:39:07 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

Thanks


50 posted on 04/24/2014 11:38:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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