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Bundy Responds To NYT, Defends "Slavery" Comments
The Right Scoop ^ | 4/24/2014 | Caleb Howe

Posted on 04/24/2014 10:44:44 AM PDT by absentee

[embeddable youtube of audio is at the link]

"That's exactly what I said. I said I'm wondering if they're better off under government subsidy, and their young women are having the abortions and their young men are in jail, and their older women and their children are standing, sitting out on the cement porch without nothing to do, you know, I'm wondering: Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were slaves, and they was able to have their family structure together, and the chickens and garden, and the people had something to do? And so, in my mind I'm wondering, are they better off being slaves, in that sense, or better off being slaves to the United States government, in the sense of the subsidies. I'm wondering. That's what. And the statement was right. I am wondering."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyracist; bundyranch; bundyresponse; cementpond; cliven; kentucky; nevada; ranch; slavery
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He's standing by what he said.
1 posted on 04/24/2014 10:44:44 AM PDT by absentee
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To: absentee

I give the guy a lot of credit. He stands for something. I even understanding the idea behind his thought.

Unfortunately, this will distract from the issue he is standing for.


2 posted on 04/24/2014 10:46:40 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: absentee

If it is just what is excerpted above we have all wondered that. To extend into some kind of justification of slavery would be a problem, IMHO.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 10:47:50 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: absentee

No one is better off as a slave. He’s focusing on the welfare group, not the black achievers - and there are many - including some I work with and admire.

I wish he’d stick to the land issue where he is on way better footing.


4 posted on 04/24/2014 10:49:30 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Make it a good day, all! :’)

Rand Paul: Bundy’s racist remarks are ‘offensive’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3148135/posts


5 posted on 04/24/2014 10:49:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: absentee

There is video of Bundy saying what was reported by the Times. Bundy wanted exposure ... and got what he wanted ... probably not the outcome he was hoping for.

Whatever merits Bundy thought he had are now lost (IMO) to the distraction over his own comments.


6 posted on 04/24/2014 10:50:22 AM PDT by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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To: absentee

Good for him!

Unfortunately I think his understanding of how most slaves were treated is wrong, but I don’t think he has any bad intentions. Of course, not many will forgive him for that.


7 posted on 04/24/2014 10:50:35 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: absentee

It’s the NYT. Before the month is out, the all-out smear campaign will have him painted as a racist, homophobe who spends his evenings goose stepping to German march music while dressed in an SS uniform, and the Bundy ranch will be referred to from now on as the Bundy “compound.”


8 posted on 04/24/2014 10:51:02 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: absentee

for years the left has been whining for a discussion about race, adn now that it arrives, they condemn it.


9 posted on 04/24/2014 10:51:18 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Tenacious 1
I even understanding the idea behind his thought.

I understand it, too. Poorly communicated, but not without merit.

10 posted on 04/24/2014 10:52:36 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: absentee
I understand exactly what he's saying. He just doesn't have the proper words or context to explain it in a way that can't be twisted and distorted.

Something like "It's a shame that blacks fought so long and hard to get out of slavery. And now the government has gotten blacks and whites enslaved in poverty, violence and welfare...and worse their policies have broken up families and lives."

11 posted on 04/24/2014 10:52:48 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: absentee

He’s entitled to his opinion and I agree with much of what he’s said, but he’s now a public figure and public figures need to learn the First Rule of Holes.


12 posted on 04/24/2014 10:53:14 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: absentee

The MSM will whip this up so Reid’s comments on American patriots being “domestic terrorist” can go away.


13 posted on 04/24/2014 10:53:20 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: Aria

“I wish he’d stick to the land issue where he is on way better footing.”

Yeah, never fails. When conservations get a roll going on some issue, somebody sticks one foot in their mouth and the other one up their @$$.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 10:53:27 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: absentee

These days you could send someone to a park and video him signing people up for slavery.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 10:53:49 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: absentee

Nice.

Bundy just invalidated everything he has done in the eyes of the Sheeple with this.


16 posted on 04/24/2014 10:53:49 AM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: DouglasKC

WELL HARRY REID SAID SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!


17 posted on 04/24/2014 10:54:25 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas (Send your dollar to see the birth certificate)
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To: absentee

It’s not racist, but it will never be understood by the media and the race hustlers. And the politicians will side with the race hustlers because they get all the air time and all the talking heads.

So, Mr Bundy, a bit of advice. And this is for every conservative. Never give your thoughts on race, never write your thoughts on race, never EXPRESS your thoughts on race in any way, shape, or form.

They “can and WILL be used AGAINST you.”


18 posted on 04/24/2014 10:54:41 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: absentee
"Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were slaves, and they was able to have their family structure together, and the chickens and garden, and the people had something to do?"

Paging Hannity. Cancel that Bundy segment tonight.
19 posted on 04/24/2014 10:55:58 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: Rusty0604

How to you know how most slaves were treated?


20 posted on 04/24/2014 10:56:04 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: absentee

But since he used the word “Negro”, the truth of his statement will be lost in the rage over saying black in Spanish...


21 posted on 04/24/2014 10:56:06 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Aria
No one is better off as a slave.

That is the point. Bundy just doesn't get it, and too many FRiends here are supporting slavery.

22 posted on 04/24/2014 10:56:19 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PowderMonkey

Maybe this is what Reid meant by saying something would happen to Bundy....

a “hi-tech lynching” to borrow a phrase...


23 posted on 04/24/2014 10:57:21 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: absentee

I wondered how long it would take the Rats to pull out the “Race Card”.
Not long. Not long at all.


24 posted on 04/24/2014 10:57:48 AM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: absentee
This is the part where they must “Cut off the support network and isolate, polarize, demonize.” Because Bundy said something with a politically incorrect word, it's now okay if his family is massacred and his land stolen so Harry Reid can sell it to the Chinese for solar panels.

None of this has any bearing on what we all witnessed last week where an out of control, militarized federal government brought their storm troopers to “protect” a freaking turtle and steal an old man’s cows.

25 posted on 04/24/2014 10:57:52 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Those were my exact thoughts. This statement is off target based on what is at stake in this central issue. He should have stayed on point. The MSM will have a field day and Bundy will lose his audience.

Shame.


26 posted on 04/24/2014 10:59:01 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: absentee
Folks can misconstrue his comments, but level headed people know exactly what he's talking about.

Even the Glen Beck's, Rand Paul's of the world are tripping all over their poor lil politically correct hearts to rail on this guy.

Is it really to show the world...hey, look at me. I'm not a bigot, nope, not me.

27 posted on 04/24/2014 10:59:23 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: absentee

not exactly what the NYT homosexual reported.

IOW a slave here or a slave there is still a slave.

IOOW for those from NYC slavery is bad.


28 posted on 04/24/2014 11:00:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: absentee

He’s standing by what he said.

**************

He should stand by it and say it again — pounding his fist on the table and ridiculing the other side for being dumb enough to believe that he was defending slavery rather than pointing out that the welfare system is keeping blacks in servitude. No more slinking away due to failure to b e politically correct in speech.


29 posted on 04/24/2014 11:00:32 AM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: absentee

Why should anyone care what Bundy thinks is best for the happiness and well being of black people?


30 posted on 04/24/2014 11:00:40 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Aria
no one is better off as a slave

Isn't the dependence so many US citizens have on the government providing for them a form of slavery? It isn't just blacks who are suffering from a government that gives people everythning they need....except the opportunity for self-sufficiency.

It's the new slavery.

31 posted on 04/24/2014 11:00:49 AM PDT by grania
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To: absentee
and they was able to have their family structure together

If I chose to live on a plantation, trading my time working in the field for a home and food, that is my choice. Slaves had no choice. They could not leave. Their children could not leave. That is the antithesis of the American dream.

32 posted on 04/24/2014 11:01:08 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PowderMonkey

The Tea Party and all “like” freedom causes will be cast into that net.

Starting to wish he never spoke. Grrrrrr


33 posted on 04/24/2014 11:01:14 AM PDT by Jarhead9297
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To: snoringbear

This reminds me of the two candidates we had last cycle that ended up torpedoing their own campaigns - wasn’t there one in Missouri and another one - (something about you can’t get pregnant with rape?) Opposition research is out there recording their every word and sure enough two Republicans stepped in it.

I wish it doesn’t affect all of us but it does.


34 posted on 04/24/2014 11:02:01 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: FatherofFive

We are slaves. Look at everything you think is yours and don’t pay the tax or fee on it and see how fast YOUR STUFF is removed from you.


35 posted on 04/24/2014 11:02:44 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas (Send your dollar to see the birth certificate)
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To: grania

Ah, but they’re enslaving TWO classes of people now.
The recipients are slaves of dependency,
and the providers are slaves to the guns of gov’t, forcing them to provide or else.


36 posted on 04/24/2014 11:03:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 5thGenTexan
It's not because he used the word "Negro," it's because he said things like this:

. . . when they were slaves, and they was able to have their family structure together, and the chickens and garden, and the people had something to do . . .

That is, to put it mildly, a rosy depiction of life as a slave. Tough to defend.

37 posted on 04/24/2014 11:03:29 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: grania

No - government dependance is a choice, slavery is not. Dr Ben Carson is an example of someone who made the choice against dependance, a choice he wouldn’t have been able to make if he were a slave.


38 posted on 04/24/2014 11:03:43 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: tennmountainman

Yea, this has to be a record for them. Astonishing how fast. Wonder who the next groups will be.


39 posted on 04/24/2014 11:04:01 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas (Send your dollar to see the birth certificate)
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To: absentee

socialism = serfdom


40 posted on 04/24/2014 11:04:44 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yes, well, Bundy is not a politician.


41 posted on 04/24/2014 11:05:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Rusty0604; JR

I have been reading hundreds of posts on numerous threads here on FR that I will say they sound like a collective sigh of relief that there is now a reason not to support Bundy in his fight for states rights. I have never realized there are so many sunshine patriots on this forum. A truly sickening and disheartening bunch.

To those of you who have not tossed your principles and character into the gutter, I am proud to stand beside you.


42 posted on 04/24/2014 11:05:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Unfortunately, this will distract from the issue he is standing for.

I agree. Another "Squirrel!" moment from our Media and Government Royals. The issue is an intrusive and overbearing Federal Government. I don't really care about Mr. Bundy's views on history and sociology.

43 posted on 04/24/2014 11:06:12 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: bigbob

A rule only Republicans have to follow apparently. He should unashamedly espouse his views because all the crazed progressives never hold back.


44 posted on 04/24/2014 11:06:12 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ponygirl

You are one smart cookie!


45 posted on 04/24/2014 11:06:14 AM PDT by Cats Pajamas (Send your dollar to see the birth certificate)
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To: Aria
I wish he’d stick to the land issue where he is on way better footing.

He's entitled to his opinion, and his comments have nothing to do with the land issue... even if the left wants them to somehow be relevant.

46 posted on 04/24/2014 11:06:21 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: absentee
Insert foot. Chew vigorously.

Yes, the gist of his statement is correct, but damn. Every lame brain moderate who reads that is going to agree with the (D)Marxist Lying Machine.

Good job, idiot. Stick to ranching and let the people who understand that the media IS the enemy do the talking.
47 posted on 04/24/2014 11:06:30 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: absentee

And I absolutely agree with him. I’ve articulated the same thing for about a decade.

The great thing about this is that a real public dialogue on this subject just got started! And we now have the internet, facebook, etc. where people can talk about it, and talk they will.

The rational side will win this. I’m actually pretty excited about it.


48 posted on 04/24/2014 11:06:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: FatherofFive
If I chose to live on a plantation, trading my time working in the field for a home and food, that is my choice. Slaves had no choice. They could not leave. Their children could not leave. That is the antithesis of the American dream.

That's exactly right. And, worse, their children (or parents, or spouses, or siblings, etc.) could be--and often were--sold and the family forcibly separated. To praise the "family structure" that existed under slavery is ignorant at best.

49 posted on 04/24/2014 11:07:17 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: absentee
Isn't it a wonder that we have a rancher with the intelligence of a real logical human and is totally correct. Kind of reminds me of Sarah Palin who attacks life with logic and a sense of what is right or wrong. Bundy was totally correct and it seems that the communists left would rather BS then really face the problem that they are the real slave owners and have corrupted the blacks.
50 posted on 04/24/2014 11:08:47 AM PDT by Logical me
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