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Low-carb ketogenic diet takes on low-fat diet for diabetes: Undisputed winner
Examiner ^ | April 23, 2014 | Samantha Chang

Posted on 04/24/2014 4:28:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Low-carb, high-fat diets outperformed low-fat diets for managing and even reversing type 2 diabetes, Diabetes.co.uk reported.

According to an eight-year study conducted by the Second University of Naples, men and women who followed the low-carb, higher-fat Mediterranean diet were able to come off their diabetes drugs and reverse their diabetes symptoms more readily than people who followed a low-fat diet.

In the study, two groups of diabetic men and women were instructed to either follow a low-fat diet or a low-carb, high-fat Mediterranean diet that was comprised of at least 30% fat.

The results showed that the higher-fat, low-carb dieters were able to live without their diabetes medication for eight years, while the low-fat group required drugs after only six years.

What's more, 15% of the low-carb, high-fat dieters experienced partial or complete remission of their diabetes within the first year, while only 5% of the low-fat dieters experienced partial or full remission. And after six years, 4% of the LCHF dieters experienced remission, while none of the low-fat dieters did.

Cardiologists: Unprocessed Saturated Fat Is Healthy

Ironically, diabetics have long been advised to follow a low-fat diet, but new research indicates that unprocessed saturated fats (like those in extra-virgin olive oil, coconut oil, salmon and avocados) can prevent and even reverse diabetes.

The Mediterranean diet is not technically a low-carb, high-fat (LCHF) diet like the Atkins or ketogenic diets, where dietary fat can make up more than 70% of total caloric intake, but it's definitely not a low-fat.

The Mediterranean diet emphasizes healthy fats, lean proteins, vegetables, beans, nuts, and seeds. The diet is based on the traditional eating plans of Italian, Greek, Spanish, and other Mediterranean cultures, and is the diet followed by Spanish actress Penelope Cruz and TV star Brooke Burke Charvet, who recently overcame...

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KEYWORDS: atkins; diabetes; lcmd; lowcarb; lowfatdiet; type2diabetes
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1 posted on 04/24/2014 4:28:55 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Big ‘ol facepalm.

News flash! Dedledledledle....Low carb diets help control diabetes!

Oy.


2 posted on 04/24/2014 4:39:46 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: neverdem

So you treat diabetes, but die of a heart attack from all that fat?

My cardiologist would call this BS.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 4:40:50 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: neverdem
The low-fat therefore high-carb diet
will cause Diabetes

4 posted on 04/24/2014 4:41:30 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: fatnotlazy

If your cardiologist would call this BS, then you probably need a new cardiologist.


5 posted on 04/24/2014 4:43:41 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: fatnotlazy

Just Observe....

To fatten cows and pigs....they feed the animals very high carb diet such as corn and grains....never blubber!

If eating fat caused you to become fat, why are’nt lions and tigers never fat while they eat the whole animal?


6 posted on 04/24/2014 4:50:38 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: fatnotlazy

From what I understand a low carb diet increases triglycerides and HDL. it apparently has a very good effect on lowering cholesterol. Go figure.


7 posted on 04/24/2014 4:51:47 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: bergmeid

Low carb will decrease triglycerides and LDL. Increase HDL.


8 posted on 04/24/2014 4:59:36 PM PDT by mlo
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To: neverdem

They would do even better by becoming fat-adapted by using a high-fat, moderate-to-low protein, ultra-low carbohydrate diet. Metabolism will learn to burn primarily ketones instead of glucose. Pretty much eliminate starch and sugar to get there.

These studies typically call a diet “low-carb” if the non-fiber carbohydrates are under a certain number, such as 150 grams per day. To be truly low-carb or ketogenic they would have to be under 30 to 50 grams for most people.

The idea is to keep insulin levels very low. Too much carbohydrate or protein will require more insulin.


9 posted on 04/24/2014 5:03:35 PM PDT by Zuse
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To: fatnotlazy
"So you treat diabetes, but die of a heart attack from all that fat?"

The popular mythology is that when you eat fat it somehow goes through your stomach and floats around your bloodstream as cholesterol and clogs your arteries. That's not true.

What you eat goes through various digestive stages in your organs and is broken down and recombined into different compounds.

The cholesterol that stems from eating fat tends to be HDL (good cholesterol) that does not block arteries. Carbohydrates will raise LDL (bad cholesterol). When the "eating fat causes heart disease" hypothesis was first raised they did not distinguish types of cholesterol.

10 posted on 04/24/2014 5:13:48 PM PDT by mlo
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To: All; Mase

And now folks, an expert is going to come on here and tell us how stupid we are just for talking about this.


11 posted on 04/24/2014 5:29:03 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: fatnotlazy
IANAD, but the way I understand this is that high fat diets only cause artery-clogging issues when the fats are ALSO consumed in the presence of many carbs, e.g. your total calorie intake is too high.

The idea is that carbs are preferentially metabolized, the fats hang around in the blood and end up reacting and depositing places.

As far as I know, and from my own experience, low-carb/high-fat/ketogenic diets actually bring down blood cholesterol levels and all the associated things that are bad for your arteries.

The "lipid theory of heart disease" is well on its way to being debunked.

Also remember, fat doesn't turn into fat and make you fat, sugar (carbs) do.

12 posted on 04/24/2014 5:39:49 PM PDT by billakay
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To: MrShoop

Sorry but the “fat = heart disease” is right up there with global war mining.


13 posted on 04/24/2014 5:44:56 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: mlo

Atkins was correct.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 5:46:38 PM PDT by ChiMark (America no more)
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To: mlo

You are right. oops.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 6:00:19 PM PDT by bergmeid
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To: neverdem

So I can eat pork chops and well marbled steak?


16 posted on 04/24/2014 6:08:45 PM PDT by quietly desperate
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To: bergmeid
From what I understand a low carb diet increases triglycerides and HDL.

Just the opposite. It is the only diet that can bring high triglyceride levels down, while increasing HDL levels. The ratio of triglycerides to HDL is the "only" predictor of heart disease and not total cholesterol.
17 posted on 04/24/2014 7:08:42 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
And now folks, an expert is going to come on here and tell us how stupid we are just for talking about this.

LOL. Ancel Keys' spawn. I forget the other "expert" that is part of the tag team.
18 posted on 04/24/2014 7:11:32 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

Gee, he should be here by now. I hope nothing’s happened to him.


19 posted on 04/24/2014 8:29:18 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Dr. Adkins was a cardiologist. Ivy League - Cornell Medical School and residency at Columbia.


20 posted on 04/24/2014 8:30:49 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Gee, he should be here by now. I hope nothing’s happened to him.

Arterial plaque burst or type III diabetes? Hope his Keys worship didn't hurt him.
21 posted on 04/24/2014 8:33:52 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: ALPAPilot; All
Looks like I stumbled upon a cult here.

All I know is, the diet I follow that limits sodium, carbs and fat has worked for me. Lost weight, improved cholesterol and diabetes numbers and has lowered blood pressure. The meds I take have been reduced and some of them I might one day not have to take anymore.

By the way, my cardiologist is highly regarded and respected by his peers too. But he also has enough sense to know that he, like most doctors, doesn't know everything about diet, so he referred me to a registered dietitian. The diet I follow came from that dietitian and it has worked for me. And I still consult with that dietitian once a year in case there are any new advances.

I got fat and wrecked my health through excess. Too much of anything — including fat — can damage your health. I'm not about to undo the progress I've made by following fad diets promoted by charlatans with MD after their names who only want to sell a book and a bunch of overpriced, totally useless products.

22 posted on 04/24/2014 10:27:14 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy
Looks like I stumbled upon a cult here. All I know is, the diet I follow that limits sodium, carbs and fat has worked for me. Lost weight, improved cholesterol and diabetes numbers and has lowered blood pressure. The meds I take have been reduced and some of them I might one day not have to take anymore.

By the way, my cardiologist is highly regarded and respected by his peers too. But he also has enough sense to know that he, like most doctors, doesn't know everything about diet, so he referred me to a registered dietitian. The diet I follow came from that dietitian and it has worked for me. And I still consult with that dietitian once a year in case there are any new advances.

I got fat and wrecked my health through excess. Too much of anything — including fat — can damage your health. I'm not about to undo the progress I've made by following fad diets promoted by charlatans with MD after their names who only want to sell a book and a bunch of overpriced, totally useless products.

Don't misunderstand. I think the larger point here is that everyone's body is different to some degree. The funny thing is that it seems that the government wants all of us to follow the same dietary program (i.e. Michelle Obama and the school lunch nonsense). They do large statistical analyses with many participants and then make broad conclusions they think should apply to everyone (not unlike education).

My family has numerous insulin dependent diabetics (mother, father, brother), and cancer is common. We have virtually no heart disease. I know other families that are completely opposite, where heart disease is common. People have to figure out what works their bodies.

I read Dr. Adkins book, and, like many others who are at a high risk for diabetes, it made a huge difference in my health. I got rid of the sugar in the coffee and other sweets, and rarely eat desserts. The doctor gives me a blood test once a year and the lipids have always been normal.

23 posted on 04/25/2014 7:29:27 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: neverdem

It is my opinion that low fat diets have led to the diabetes epidemic. Also to the dementia epidemic as well.


24 posted on 04/27/2014 9:26:54 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: quietly desperate

Most definitely! They are both health foods. (I’m not kidding)


25 posted on 04/27/2014 9:38:04 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: ChiMark

I’m doing a form of Atkins right now - protein and vegetables, including cheese and salad dressing with fat.. Not so bad, not hungry.

Miss the wine but won’t miss the midriff bulge.


26 posted on 04/27/2014 9:45:18 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: bergmeid

I low carb. My last trig reading was 20.

Not a typo.


27 posted on 04/27/2014 9:49:14 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: ALPAPilot

I recently read Grain Brain; The Surprising Truth About Wheat, Carbs and Sugar— Your Brain’s Silent Killers by David Perlmutter. Very good information. I especially learned about the importance of cholesterol in relation to one’s brain. I abhor the medical professions penchant for prescribing Statin drugs. IMO, they are destroying many people’s minds and slowly killing millions.


28 posted on 04/27/2014 9:56:22 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: neverdem
Sorry bro, but I'm still on the Fuhrman train. I was diagnosed with type 2 a year and a half ago...it was my own damn fault, as I was a big fan of Coke Classic.

3 months on the Fuhrman plan, and I was taken off diabetes medication (Metformin). My HbAiC went from 11 to 4.6, and my blood glucose readings were below 100.

I've put on a few pounds because I've fallen a bit on the exercise side, but I'll be ready for my 60th birthday in a couple of weeks, enjoying a 15 mile walk, the good Lord willing.

29 posted on 04/27/2014 9:59:07 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Night Hides Not

I assume you’ve given up sodas altogether.


30 posted on 04/27/2014 10:02:02 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver
I assume you’ve given up sodas altogether.

I treat myself to a diet Ginger ale once or twice a week. Haven't had a Coke Classic in a year and a half.

Lately, I've added Prosecco and Cava to my beverage list. I've been taking a wine and viticulture class at the local CC, and it's been a lot of fun. My adult beverage intake is now maybe 3-5 glasses a week.

31 posted on 04/27/2014 10:12:22 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Night Hides Not

But you’re still diabetic; however, managing it... right?


32 posted on 04/27/2014 10:14:14 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Night Hides Not

I used to drink a lot of diet Mountain Dew. My beverages now are water, coffee, tea, wine & beer. I can make a case for the health benefits of these drinks. I eat fresh fruit instead of juice(too much sugar). I do drink low sodium V8 juice which I spice up with cayenne pepper. It’s an excellent source of potassium.


33 posted on 04/27/2014 10:24:28 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Night Hides Not

Btw, I turn 60 this year,too. Three years ago I thought my life was over. Doctors solution was ever more prescribed drugs which just kept making things worse. I started doing intense research on diet, supplements etc. until now I am enjoying great health and looking forward to many good years ahead.


34 posted on 04/27/2014 10:33:37 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Gene Eric
But you’re still diabetic; however, managing it... right?

Yes, I'm still diabetic. Even if you can reverse it, I believe it stays with you, so you have to manage it daily.

35 posted on 04/27/2014 11:00:44 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: upsdriver
Congrats at the big 6-0. It was a gut punch all right, but I started following Fuhrman's plan on the advice of my doctor.

Changing my diet and exercise habits has made a big difference in my quality of life. My next goal is to get off Crestor, but my doctor prescribes it for the anti-inflammatory effects on the heart. The only side effect I've encountered so far is occasional lower back pain.

I see my doctor every 3-4 months...I'm holding off the next trip until after my birthday. I should be able to drop a few pounds over the next 2-3 weeks.

36 posted on 04/27/2014 11:06:53 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Night Hides Not

I’m glucose resistant and soy intolerant Have followed the glycemic index for years Thank God I found it! With all the snow this winter was not able to get out and EXERCISE or get to the grocery for fresh produce My weight and sugar levels rose. Just recently put on metformin Have already lost weight and sugar is almost where in was last fall.

With soy in everything ( government allow it as filler in hamburger and still be label 100% beef) I’ve eaten God made not man made food look a likes for years
With that said exercise seems to be the key for me


37 posted on 04/28/2014 6:52:57 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: quietly desperate

As long as they are organic (and the beef is grass-fed). You wouldn’t want to eat them if you knew how conventionally, factory-farmed livestock are raised.


38 posted on 04/28/2014 7:06:12 AM PDT by ELS
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To: hoosiermama
With that said exercise seems to be the key for me

Hoosiermama, consistent exercise is the key for everyone who is ambulatory.

One New Year's resolution I've been failing miserably on is to be more selfish about my diet and exercise regimens. Life gets in the way, with a son in Scouts and baseball, and it's a tough act to juggle. However, I was able to get in a 7 mile walk yesterday, but I need to do that more than just a couple times a week.

As I was heading out the door, my wife asked me if I would take my eldest son's dog with me. I wasn't the one who volunteered to take care of it while my son went on vacation. Last time I did it, the dog pooped out after 3 1/2 miles, and my pace is not all that brisk (approx 17 min/mile). Obviously, the dog stayed in the back yard.

My weight will be back down in a few weeks, now that the weather is better. As long as my HbA1c is in the 5-6 range, I'll know I'm in good shape. If it gets past 6, then I'll have to tighten things up. Blood glucose has ranged from 100-120, but that will come back down with consistent exercise.

Cholestoral's a different story. My problem is my good cholestoral level's a bit low, and many of the foods that bring it up also raise blood glucose. Finding the "sweet spot" is a challenge.

Good luck with your regimen.

39 posted on 04/28/2014 7:25:29 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Night Hides Not

Stress is another issue. We have hospice in for my father. I’m his caregiver.
Last week I got my first grand daughter ( have a grandson). Although both are great blessings they still add to the stress level that only additional exercise seems to help.


40 posted on 04/28/2014 7:33:43 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Night Hides Not

Fuhrman and the Mediterranean Diet food pyramids are very similar. The differences between the two are mainly in preparation and seasoning.

The killer, literally and figuratively, in the American diet is the prevalence of combining saturated animal fats, carbs and sodium in the same dish. Pizza is one of the worst things one can eat.


41 posted on 04/28/2014 7:41:47 AM PDT by IamConservative
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To: IamConservative
Pizza is one of the worst things one can eat.

You mean the double mushroom, double black olive, and green olive pizza isn't as healthy as I thought?

It's weird...my physician was adamantly pro-Fuhrman 18 months ago, but he's been changing his tune regarding bread. I foresee another tweak in my regimen after my next followup in a couple of weeks (i.e. lower my carb intake).

42 posted on 04/28/2014 7:51:01 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: MrShoop

Bingo!

“If your cardiologist would call this BS, then you probably need a new cardiologist.”

Too damn many cardios/internists and now FPS are putting healthy patients on the Statin lowering drugs and trying to treat people for diabetes when they don’t have diabetes.

Besides causing diabetes, the grain craze may be causing an epidemic of weight gain, and mental deficiencies/problems.

David Perlmutter, MD has written an excellent book called “Grain Brain”. He documents how our diets heavy with wheat, carbs and sugar may be killing our brains.

Last, but not least more retrospective studies are showing people who became wheat eaters and little meat eaters have more cancers.


43 posted on 04/28/2014 9:19:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: FreedomNotSafety; MrShoop

Mr. Shoop is in agreement with you. He was in disagreement with a post above is which is in disagreement with you.


44 posted on 04/28/2014 1:04:26 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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To: Black Agnes

Holycow! That’s some triglyceride level! You’re not gonna turn into a raisin, are you? (kidding, kidding, kidding....)


45 posted on 04/28/2014 1:08:56 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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To: quietly desperate
pork chops and well marbled steak?

Yes, but forget the potatoes and cheese bread.

46 posted on 04/28/2014 1:10:53 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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To: upsdriver; greeneyes

Don’t know about dementia, but I agree with your theory about low fat/high carb. As Greeneyes says, “I disagree with the food pyramid. What do farmers feed cattle to make them nice and fat? Grains.”


47 posted on 04/28/2014 1:13:59 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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To: Silentgypsy

I also take iodoral and the cofactors with it. Dr. Brownstein has a book on iodine and how it helps with blood lipid levels.


48 posted on 04/28/2014 1:33:04 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Silentgypsy
Don’t know about dementia, but I agree with your theory about low fat/high carb. As Greeneyes says, “I disagree with the food pyramid. What do farmers feed cattle to make them nice and fat? Grains.”

I think you'll find that the digestive systems of cows and humans are somewhat different, especially in their ability to digest cellulose.

I'm not pro grain. The only way I've ever been able to control my weight is on some variant of the Atkins diet. One of the unfortunate side effects of the Atkins diet for me is sleeplessness eventually involving paranoia and general nastiness. I'd rather be a little plump and jolly, weight lift, and walk a bunch than be flat out nuts.

49 posted on 04/28/2014 1:58:22 PM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: Stentor

Everyone needs to choose his/her own path. Godspeed!


50 posted on 04/28/2014 6:32:05 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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