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Rebellious Nevada rancher's slavery remarks dim Republican support
Reuters ^ | 04-24-2014 | Steve Gorman

Posted on 04/24/2014 10:09:39 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

(Reuters) - Two Republican U.S. senators who voiced support for a Nevada cattleman in his showdown with federal agents over grazing rights on public land condemned the rebellious rancher's remarks about whether African-Americans would be "better off as slaves."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyranch; nevada
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Bundy and slavery, Akin and rape, Medina and 9/11...

Why do people publicly face-plant on political no-brainers?

1 posted on 04/24/2014 10:09:39 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

Yeah, Ron Junior ran like a scalded dog, didn’t he?


2 posted on 04/24/2014 10:11:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I don’t know.

We have been bending over backwards for an entire generation to avoid ever acting like “racists”.

What he said, may not have been the most politically sensitive, but it wasn’t blatantly racist.

I like the way he didn’t backtrack, and am inclined to think this could backfire on Dems bigtime.

Would have preferred he hadn’t said anything, but he seems to be handling himself ok.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 10:13:03 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dude was winning the argument, then goes and shoots himself in the head.


4 posted on 04/24/2014 10:13:51 PM PDT by marron
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To: PaulCruz2016

dementia


5 posted on 04/24/2014 10:14:33 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: marron
IIRC, the video predates this kerfuffle.
6 posted on 04/24/2014 10:14:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Why bring up the subject? What does it have to do with his situation?

Some people just don’t know when to shut up.


7 posted on 04/24/2014 10:15:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Cliven Bundy is NOT a politician..the fact that the left is making such a big fuss about what some random person says shows how scared they are that they are gonna get their asses kicked in November..no matter what Bundy says, doesn’t take away the fact that the Govt surrounded his home, armed to the T, took his cattle and massacred them and put them in mass graves


8 posted on 04/24/2014 10:15:15 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: PaulCruz2016

Bundy’s unfortunate “remarks” pulled Hopalong Harry Reid’s gonads out of the fire before they were done. It’s too bad. Our side had the ball rolling and Reid was in heap big hot water. The state controlled “media” can now use Bundy’s remarks to get Harry’s ass off the griddle.


9 posted on 04/24/2014 10:18:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; PaulCruz2016

Interesting.

In any case, with him or without him, I think people are waking up to the constitutional issues. I hope they are, anyway.

The US government should not own vast swaths of land. Beyond office complexes and military bases, they shouldn’t own any land at all.

And people are starting to realize that the regulatory agencies, which are arming themselves at a starting rate, are laws unto themselves. They answer to no one. They are rogue robots who write their own laws and now increasingly are judge jury and executioner.

BLM should be first on the chopping block but should certainly not be the last.

I will say that I will not get excited about any politician who doesn’t see the problem and at least seem prepared to do something about it. Repeal obamacare? Sure, great, but there are other maybe bigger fish to fry too. Like BLM.


10 posted on 04/24/2014 10:21:08 PM PDT by marron
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Cliven Bundy is NOT a politician.

Reid knew this was coming which is why he was so cocky recently. Putting on my tinfoil cap (complete with a propeller), it seems that Mr. Bundy was the unwitting victim of a setup.

11 posted on 04/24/2014 10:22:12 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: PaulCruz2016
Because Bundy is not a politician, nor am I.

What he said was just old fashioned plain talk, that should be used more often.

The statement in it's context was condemnation of over 100 years of failed social engineering by the US government.

He touched on everything in a few short words from the chronic crime problems to the breakup of the cohesive family to the welfare dependency and he called it what it is.

Just another form of slavery to the national and local governments.

To call the comment racist is absurd and is a byproduct of the massive overuse and distortion of the term.

Everyone knows this, yet they are running like scalded dogs. If Archie Bunker had said that, everyone would be laughing at the subtle criticisms of government.

Well, I won't run.

I commend him for a refreshing commentary of life in the good ole USA today.

12 posted on 04/24/2014 10:24:09 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: marron

I think people are getting tired of being called racist at the drop of a hat. What he said wasn’t racist. It was anti-progressive. But rock the boat just a little and the republicans, and so-called conservative talking heads, will run for cover like the cockroaches they are.


13 posted on 04/24/2014 10:25:06 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Reid: Capitol Visitor Center Will Minimize ‘Smell’ of Tourists

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/02/reid-capitol-visitor-center-minimize-smell-tourists/

Harry Reid ‘Negro’ Comment: Reid Apologizes For ‘No Negro Dialect’ Comment

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/harry-reid-negro-comment-_n_417406.html

On Sandra Day O’Connor: “I think one reason she was a good judge is she had no judicial experience” before she joined the Supreme Court.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/harry-reid/statements/?page=2


14 posted on 04/24/2014 10:26:37 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

What will not be erased... is the image of stormtroops quitting Bunkerville, driven off by cowboys who would not cringe.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 10:28:06 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: LeoWindhorse

No one seems to look at the fact that this man is 80 years old,he HAS NO
IDEA of political correctness, he sees people in these neighborhoods
on government entitlements and he just says what he feels!!! OUR country used to be this way we could say what we wanted, ALL IN THE
FAMILY is a perfect example of the humor that USED to be accepted!!!
I think EVERYONE here NEEDS to give this guy a break!!!!! He has lived
his life in a different time!!!!!


16 posted on 04/24/2014 10:28:23 PM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Mr Bundy isn’t a politician. His opinions doesn’t make the govt actions right.


17 posted on 04/24/2014 10:29:10 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: PaulCruz2016

so, the democratic party has kept black people down for nearly 200 years and that’s A OK but when a Republican points that out, it’s racist bigotry? Typical.


18 posted on 04/24/2014 10:35:29 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

He said it crudely, but he was trying to say what many of us have said a hundred times, which is that the welfare state has destroyed the black family. It destroys, in fact, families of whatever color or cultural background, it is an equal opportunity destroyer of families.

And while I don’t know all the legalities of his own personal situation with BLM, I firmly believe BLM should be disbanded and the lands they administer handed back to the states. Or better yet, sold off to US citizens (with previous leaseholders getting first right of refusal).


19 posted on 04/24/2014 10:36:32 PM PDT by marron
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To: PaulCruz2016

The wheat and the chaff are going their separate ways now!


20 posted on 04/24/2014 10:37:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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Amazing how these reporters never make such character discoveries concerning the idiots on the Left.

The MSM is the Country’s greatest threat.


21 posted on 04/24/2014 10:39:59 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Psalm 144

That is what this story should have been about from the beginning..how the Govt can just come on your property and take it away and destroy it..like they did with the cattle..they slaughtered them, shot them in the head and put them into mass graves..where is the outrage from PETA, the same group that made a fuss about Easter Eggs on the White House lawn, yeah those people, didnt give a rats ass about cattle being SLAUGHTERED..that is a crime and the people who did that should be prosecuted, but it won’t happen and we won’t hear anything about it because hey, I guess those cattle were Republican so therefore no mention of their death is necessary


22 posted on 04/24/2014 10:40:24 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: PaulCruz2016
Unfortunately, articulate, thoughtful conservatives do not usually personally experience this type of big government overreach, and the MSM would misquote out of context if they did.

Rush Limbaugh is a nearly daily example of this Alinsky tactic.

23 posted on 04/24/2014 10:40:32 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Kit cat

“No one seems to look at the fact that this man is 80 years old,he HAS NO
IDEA of political correctness, he sees people in these neighborhoods
on government entitlements and he just says what he feels!!”

I thought he lived out on a ranch. You mentioned him seeing these people in these neighborhoods. What neighborhoods would those be? His neighboring ranchers?

He screwed the pooch by bringing race into it. Actually he screwed the pooch by getting off topic.

Sadly I now think he’s just a blowhard trying to hold on to his 15 minutes.
He’s now done more damage than good.
With the senate really up for grabs by a narrow margin, this could have serious consequences. Because the media and the Dems are going to have ammo now to paint all conservatives as racists.


24 posted on 04/24/2014 10:41:05 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

Apparently you didn’t bother to listen to his remarks. He names exactly when and where he saw those neighborhoods.


25 posted on 04/24/2014 10:42:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: marron

Mourdock & Akin revisited! I guess he is not very smart dude.


26 posted on 04/24/2014 10:43:50 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: TigersEye

He’s not going to listen to you, he is too busy with the political campaign.

If he’s not carefull he will trip over the heals of a couple dozen jelly spined republicans running in the same direction...


27 posted on 04/24/2014 10:46:08 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: TigersEye

“Apparently you didn’t bother to listen to his remarks. He names exactly when and where he saw those neighborhoods.”

Nope. I only read the excerpts posted here.


28 posted on 04/24/2014 10:46:39 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: PaulCruz2016
Here is Rand Paul saying almost the exact same thing that Cliven Bundy said...

Rand Paul: Extending jobless benefits a 'disservice' to workers

"When you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you're causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy. And it really - while it seems good, it actually does a disservice to the people you're trying to help," Paul said.


29 posted on 04/24/2014 10:46:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: snarkybob

Typical lazy lout.


30 posted on 04/24/2014 10:47:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: marron

Welfare has also destroyed many more white families. Watch the show “Cops” on TV. It is so sad to see how people live. There are 3 times as many whites receiving government checks compared to blacks. It is due to sheer numbers...there are 4 times as many whites as blacks. Percentage wise more blacks are on welfare.


31 posted on 04/24/2014 10:47:57 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: Kit cat

Just about everything I was going to say - thanks!
Especially referencing his age.


32 posted on 04/24/2014 10:48:09 PM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: TigersEye

“Typical lazy lout.”
Yep, but I’m still right most of the time.
He screwed the pooch. Plain & simple.
He never should have brought race into it.


33 posted on 04/24/2014 10:50:10 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

Weak sisters can stay on the porch. No one needs you.


34 posted on 04/24/2014 10:51:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: entropy12

“Welfare has also destroyed many more white families.”

You’re correct. Government dependency destroys lives. That’s why it was stupid to even bring race into it.


35 posted on 04/24/2014 10:52:05 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: TigersEye

Randy said it with finesse. Bundy said it crudely. That is why there was no reaction to Randy saying it.


36 posted on 04/24/2014 10:52:22 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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To: Cold Heat

Therein lies the problem. Republicans aren’t conservatives.


37 posted on 04/24/2014 10:52:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: entropy12

He’s smarter than most, including on FR...he’s a man who’s made his living the hard way, not a sucking on the teat politician who should know how this stupid, leftist game is played.

Even many on FR who should know better are succumbing to the leftist media playbook and abandoning Mr. Bundy because they’re too damned stupid to actually comprehend what he said and what he meant.

The absolute truth is what he uttered...are we to now abandon a man who exercised his right to speak his mind and give his very astute, although inarticulate opinion on a subject?

The bigger picture is that the leftists are using their playbook, Alinsky’s rules for radicals against this man in order to isolate him and polarize support for what he represents and many on FR are taking the bait...


38 posted on 04/24/2014 10:53:54 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: entropy12

I guess that means the issue of an overbearing violent lawless government no longer holds any appeal. Pack the tents we’re headed back home!


39 posted on 04/24/2014 10:54:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Kit cat

yep , just like my dad :^)

gone but not forgotten , he too used to say some pretty interesting things . p/c ? What’s that ?

and he had growing dementia for years but he was a lot older than Bundy


40 posted on 04/24/2014 10:54:18 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As a matter of historical accuracy, after the Civil War, some blacks returned to their former masters voluntarily. That being said, Bundy wasn’t bashing blacks. He was talking plain about problems that are well known and have been well publicized. He’s not exactly talk show smooth, but I bet he doesn’t count Tamara Holder or Bob Beckel as his dear friends either.


41 posted on 04/24/2014 10:54:33 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: TigersEye

Right. Because you’re doing such a great job lol.
I’m right. Sorry, but I am. You don’t like it, then ignore it.
I do understand that this is probably a very emotional issue for you.


42 posted on 04/24/2014 10:54:44 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: entropy12

“Randy said it with finesse. Bundy said it crudely. That is why there was no reaction to Randy saying it.”

Senator Rand didn’t mention race.


43 posted on 04/24/2014 10:55:47 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: snarkybob

No, not at all. Like you I don’t value freedom from tyranny at all. Stay on the porch.


44 posted on 04/24/2014 10:56:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: snarkybob

So, Eric Holder was right ... about you.


45 posted on 04/24/2014 10:57:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

“No, not at all. Like you I don’t value freedom from tyranny at all. Stay on the porch.”

I’ll stay on the porch. You stay in your bubble and keep complaining loudly when you get trounced.

This was just a dumb move.


46 posted on 04/24/2014 10:58:00 PM PDT by snarkybob
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To: entropy12
There are 3 times as many whites receiving government checks compared to blacks.

What "government checks"?

If whites are 38.8% and blacks are 39.8% of the welfare check collectors, what are you talking about?

47 posted on 04/24/2014 10:58:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: snarkybob

I’m not going to be trounced by an uninformed coward. lol


48 posted on 04/24/2014 10:58:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Well they are not much better off as dependents of largess & big government.


49 posted on 04/24/2014 10:59:32 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yeah, Ron Junior ran like a scalded dog, didn’t he?

As he should. Randy is a very smart guy since he says nothing which MSM can attack. There is no place for bringing race into the Nevada situation. Bundy lost a whole bunch of support with his racist comments. Randy was correct in supporting Bundy's cause in the beginning and not disassociating from Bundy's racists comments.

50 posted on 04/24/2014 11:00:19 PM PDT by entropy12 (Democrats win WH for one reason...welfare checks, food stamps and 143 more giveaways)
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