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Cliven Bundy -- The Man Who Said Too Much
americanthinker ^

Posted on 04/25/2014 12:20:07 AM PDT by chessplayer

Cliven Bundy could tell you what it’s like to go to sleep as a hero and wake up as a monster; and rightly so on both counts.

The Drudge Report -- which for days assigned the ranch standoff its lead headline -- now links to a Washington Post blog with the Drudge-assigned banner, “Rand Paul, Republicans – RUN!”

Distance themselves, they should, not just because Bundy’s comments are flatly racist,,,His supporters should separate from his cause because his statements go against American ideals on a very basic level.

These comments revolve around the fallacy that slaves could be freer than free persons. Even if the rest of Bundy’s thought process is fair (it’s not) or justifiable (it isn’t), At this core is where the published quotes attributed to the Nevada rancher become the most concerning.

Republicans must distance themselves from the man with the same haste and purpose in which a doctor would remove a gangrenous arm. His comments threaten to taint a movement. His quoted opinions become a weapon to be used against a party with which had just been making headlines for its desire to improve minority outreach. Proper conservatives believe in the value of each individual in very clear terms, but the world will never accept such truths if individuals like Cliven continue to weigh down their message.

The frank truth is that the minorities that he referenced in his tragic racism may spend their lives as takers from the government (simply restating his supposition), but none of them can be accused of living off of government resources and then failing to pay the millions that they owe for it. Who was the drag on our system again, Mr. Bundy?

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KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyracist; bundyranch

1 posted on 04/25/2014 12:20:07 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Bundy is not a racist. He didn’t say anything that Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell haven’t said a million times.

Oh, yeah. They’re racist, too.


2 posted on 04/25/2014 12:31:38 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: chessplayer
The federal government owns 86% of the land in Nevada

the government this much land in Nevada and other states is socialism/communism. the land must be given to the states and individuals NOW


3 posted on 04/25/2014 12:35:56 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: chessplayer

This from a site that calls itself a “thinker”?


4 posted on 04/25/2014 12:39:36 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Arthur McGowan

Williams and Sowell have never said blacks were better off under slavery. They have said black families were better off during the Jim Crow era, but that’s hardly the same thing.


5 posted on 04/25/2014 12:40:40 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: chessplayer
Bundy used the forbidden word. "slavery".

Despite the de facto welfare slavery of the Democrat Plantation, even the Pubbies don't want to admit the truth: when they were picking cotton, or hoeing the crops, or harvesting, they worked for the food, housing, clothing, and rudimentary medical care provided--they (perhaps more than) earned their keep or there would have been little point having them around.

Now, stripped of work ethic and sense of achievement, the same things are provided by the government, extracted from their benefactors at gunpoint (or threat thereof), only there is no sense of accomplishment (unless it's 'gettin over on the man'), no sense of self worth, nor work ethic.

There is no way the latter is more beneficial, as generations are being stripped, culturally and socially, of the tools which might lead them to success above and beyond the projects (slave quarters).

Sure, the little cabin has been traded for a nicer (well, sometimes) apartment, or Section 8 housing, and the place is better lit, the chains aren't drab iron, but gold filled, and they can come and go as they please, but it is what it is, regardless of nicer trimmings, and the illusion of 'freedom'.

Far too many are too blind to see it.

6 posted on 04/25/2014 12:49:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: chessplayer

American Thinker


7 posted on 04/25/2014 12:55:23 AM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well said. Bundy was as right as rain - his only mistake was in restricting his comments to “the negro”. A slave could have initiative, dignity, and a sense of honor. Regardless of race, the welfare recipient, particularly the multi-generational variety who considers it an “entitlement” have none of that...


8 posted on 04/25/2014 12:55:32 AM PDT by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: Democrat_media

The mostly blue states are the Slave States. Those states are owned by the Feral Government and the citizens of those states are the serfs and vassals.


9 posted on 04/25/2014 1:13:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Bundy used the forbidden word. "slavery".

Despite the de facto welfare slavery of the Democrat Plantation, even the Pubbies don't want to admit the truth: when they were picking cotton, or hoeing the crops, or harvesting, they worked for the food, housing, clothing, and rudimentary medical care provided--they (perhaps more than) earned their keep or there would have been little point having them around.

Now, stripped of work ethic and sense of achievement, the same things are provided by the government, extracted from their benefactors at gunpoint (or threat thereof), only there is no sense of accomplishment (unless it's 'gettin over on the man'), no sense of self worth, nor work ethic. There is no way the latter is more beneficial, as generations are being stripped, culturally and socially, of the tools which might lead them to success above and beyond the projects (slave quarters).

Sure, the little cabin has been traded for a nicer (well, sometimes) apartment, or Section 8 housing, and the place is better lit, the chains aren't drab iron, but gold filled, and they can come and go as they please, but it is what it is, regardless of nicer trimmings, and the illusion of 'freedom'.

Far too many are too blind to see it.


Applause. I would add to afraid to see it.

Bundy's stand against the encroachments of big government and the erosion of rule of law and property rights have obviously hit a nerve on both sides of the aisle.

Harry Reid has given the eGOP PC cover to abandon Bundy.
10 posted on 04/25/2014 1:30:27 AM PDT by khelus
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To: chessplayer
All he needs is a drum machine and several negroes chanting "mf , yeah" and he's a rap star.

I'm offended by the perpetually offended.

11 posted on 04/25/2014 1:53:19 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: chessplayer

At the end of this year, the Democrats will give Cliven Bundy their Fundraiser of the Year Award.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 1:59:49 AM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: chessplayer
perhaps journalists should have waited for the release the "full version" of the tape, including the comments leading up to the clip circulated, and the follow-on comments where, after defending the plight of the black man, he defends hispanics. Maybe they could have even done a teeny little bit of research before issuing knee-jerk reactions and labeling Bundy racist.

And for those journalists that don't know the history of the West or bothered to take two minutes to look it up, the finest cotton in the world came from Arizona, with Texas and Oklahoma close behind. Cotton helped build the West as much as cattle did, so it would not be unusual for a seasoned westerner to think of growing and picking cotton as a valid and respectable occupation for the unskilled laborer in the Western states. Only racial knee-jerks and people ignorant of Western agriculture would exclusively associate the phrase “pick cotton” with the South and try to twist it as a racial insult. He also mentioned growing turnips and chickens, which are not an exclusive Southern items, either.

Before his circulated comments, Bundy talked about having witnessed the Watts riots, how he could see blacks were unhappy, that they didn't feel they had any freedoms, and, he acknowledges “they didn't have them”. That "it was wrong", and that he didn't want blacks or hispanics "to go back to that", that we had made progress since then and "we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of the bureaucracy and doing it in a peaceful way."

Then, in what was heralded to be the money shot, he talks about driving by the government projects, and seeing poor blacks with nothing to do and how unhappy they looked sitting there doing nothing, that they were never taught how to get off the dole or given the opportunity to be self-sufficient. In response to an off-camera comment, he acknowledges the fact blacks have physical ‘freedom’ following antebellum days, and acknowledges slavery was wrong, but asks what kind of freedom do poor blacks really have, consigned to government barracks surrounded by concrete, broken families, abortions encouraged, and fatherless children being raised by old people? He asks, as we have all asked, and have heard asked a thousand times in a dozen different ways, has the overall quality of life of poor blacks improved or become worse as wards of the government?

His defense of the hispanic immigrant (many of whom picked cotton as a means to become self-sufficient) is released as a separate tape. While certainly not an eloquent speaker, if one listens carefully to what he says it's obvious he meant no disrespect to any racial group and was, in fact, calling the government to task. imo The ‘Bundy is a Racist’ articles are nothing more than manufactured hysteria.

13 posted on 04/25/2014 2:15:48 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: chessplayer

Bottom line: we all know... we ALL know... that conservatives and right wingers have the entire establishment media against us. We ALL know that.

Bottom line 2: Bundy’s opinions on race and welfare have NOTHING to do with his righteous cause, had no bearing on it whatsoever.

He should have had friends who know better. How can he not have friends who should have urged caution in the face of an evil and hostile media.

Where were his friends when he needed them?

It’s pathetic and sad that there was no one at his side to give him wise counsel.


14 posted on 04/25/2014 2:20:00 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: chessplayer

Bundy was simply trying to indicate that self help is better than government hand outs.

Rand Paul just sounded his own death nell.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 2:29:01 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: chessplayer

Unbelievable. This man has no influence on welfare funding or anything except his own land. He was making rhetorical points, and “conservatives” are distancing themselves from him?

What do they think about his legal dispute?

On a separate issue, what about the underlying points he was trying to articulate?


16 posted on 04/25/2014 2:58:10 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: blueplum

Well said.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 3:01:14 AM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: blueplum
Well said. Journalists don't wait for any full version of events (Benghazi, for example) before writing and airing stories that serve the leftist agenda.

Reminds me of the 47% comment made by Mitt Romney in 2012.

18 posted on 04/25/2014 3:04:38 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

The NBP’s Malik Shabazz can say kill all white people and their babies, and nothing is said. Screw the lapdog media.


19 posted on 04/25/2014 3:53:37 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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To: chessplayer

He’s believing his own press and it cost him.


20 posted on 04/25/2014 4:00:35 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Hugin

“Williams and Sowell have never said blacks were better off under slavery.”

Neither did Bundy.


21 posted on 04/25/2014 4:02:03 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Mechanicos

Media twisting words again and the “uninformed’ swallowed the bait.


22 posted on 04/25/2014 4:12:09 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: chessplayer

Which teaspoon of medicine to take?

The bitter truth?

Or the sweetest lie?


23 posted on 04/25/2014 4:24:56 AM PDT by Spartan302
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To: Progov

Everyone is asking why he even brought up the subject of race. Well he said that he noticed among the many people that showed up at his ranch to support him that there were no African Americans. He lamented that the “colored” needed to be part of the fight against government overreach and went on to explain why. If trying to bring people under the shelter of your umbrella is considered racist then this country is truly lost.


24 posted on 04/25/2014 4:45:23 AM PDT by heylady
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To: chessplayer
Another FReeper brought up the term 'intellectual dishonest' in this Bundy case (though using it derisively against FReepers here).

This is a classic example of intellectual dishonesty: Making a statement of opinion without knowing all the facts.

I'm not going to pick apart the whole piece, but the key words here are millions they owe: That's a product of the media.

IMHO, I'd use just one part of what he wrote and combine with my own contribution and save a bunch of hot air:

"Cliven Bundy’s case is an example of government overreach and Media assassination"

(did anyone every confirm that the NYT was actually at the desert 'press conference' where the video was shot and that they identified themselves as NYT? I'm convinced he was baited into opening up. The Bundy family was already on alert for 'false statements', going so far as to warn supporters and media that if it didn't come from the family it might be false. We may never know for sure unless the family is able to confirm it or others present that day come forward)

25 posted on 04/25/2014 4:56:33 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Hugin

The point is the same, i.e., How much progress has been made under the ministrations of the Left?


26 posted on 04/25/2014 5:40:21 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: chessplayer

I think AmericanThinker has an American stinker on board. :-)


27 posted on 04/25/2014 7:47:25 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

He didn’t say anything that Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell haven’t said a million times.


Can you provide a link to articles where they said blacks today would be better off as slaves?


28 posted on 04/25/2014 9:23:14 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

No.


29 posted on 04/25/2014 9:56:52 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: chessplayer

Now he’s blaming MLK Jr. because people don’t like his racist rant.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/politics/cliven-bundy-interview/


30 posted on 04/25/2014 10:21:06 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

No, because I’m sure they’ve never said that blacks would be “better off” as slaves.

But, just as they have pointed to particular ways in which blacks have lost ground since Jim Crow, I would not be surprised to find that they have pointed out particular ways in which they have lost ground since slavery.

Slavery was not one long Auschwitz. It was evil, but so are a 90% illegitimacy rate and the abortion of 52% of black babies.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 11:45:03 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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