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Is it okay to not care that Cliven Bundy is a bigot?
The Daily Caller ^ | April 24, 2014 | Jim Treacher

Posted on 04/25/2014 1:48:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I haven’t been following the Cliven Bundy case because, believe it or not, southwestern grazing disputes have never been among my interests. I know the Daily Caller has done stories about him because I’ve seen the headlines, but I haven’t followed the whole thing. I haven’t written a word about him before today. I don’t care.

But now that this Bundy fellow has publicly said things that have offended a lot of black people, suddenly, he represents everybody to the right of Karl Marx. Suddenly I’m obliged to have an opinion about him.

If you want to know what I think about some rancher in Nevada, I tend to agree with the always delightful and perceptive Kira Davis. Be warned: I’m told she isn’t a proper African-American because she’s a conservative. Be that as it may, here she’s 100% correct.

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

What Kira said.

I don’t know if Bundy’s grazing dispute has any merit. And I certainly wouldn’t subscribe to his newsletter. All I know is that he’s the latest private citizen to stand up to the government and be excoriated by the media for it. Like Kira said, it’s not about one guy. It’s about the media abusing their power to stifle dissent against government control. Just ask anybody who’s been raked over the coals for daring to complain about their health insurance. Ask Joe the Plumber. Ask Ben Carson. Ask Carrie Prejean. Ask anybody who inconveniences the left.

The message is simple: Submit, or this will happen to you too. And it’ll continue, whether or not some rancher you’ve never heard of is a dumb bigot....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bundy; bunkerville; harryreid; nevada
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1 posted on 04/25/2014 1:48:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I did not find Bundy’s actual, true comments racist.

American Blacks HAVE become slaves on the Democrat Welfare Plantation, where they now pick votes instead of cotton


2 posted on 04/25/2014 1:56:24 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The DemocRat plantation is crumbling before their eyes. They may not like the messenger but what he says is true.


3 posted on 04/25/2014 1:58:44 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/04/bundy-hoax-exposed-full-video-of-cliven-bundys-non-racist-pro-black-pro-mexican-anti-government-remarks-2944710.html?utm_content=awesmsharetools-fbshare-small&utm_medium=facebook-post&utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com&utm_campaign&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FfXzO


4 posted on 04/25/2014 2:07:39 AM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bundy's slavery comments were a stupid thing to say, especially to the New York Times, and he also said something positive about illegal immigrants too.

Ultimately though, the issue is about what the federal government was doing, not this one random man's thoughts on a long-settled issue.

5 posted on 04/25/2014 2:33:07 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bundy lacked the good sense to restrict his public comments to the issue at hand. He made a fool of himself, and there’s no going back. Going forward, no politician, left or right, can touch this joker with a ten foot pole.

The guy is, ironically, all hat and no cattle.


6 posted on 04/25/2014 2:46:39 AM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My feelings on Bundy I will keep to myself.
My feelings on the BLM are very clear -- I oppose their anti-American, anti-Constitutional, fascist power grabs. I think the bureau should be slapped down hard.

If racism is an issue on either side, I have no interest in it at all. I'm strictly focused on the fact that our government is tyrannical.

7 posted on 04/25/2014 2:55:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is he racist or just verbally inept, and does it matter?


8 posted on 04/25/2014 2:57:57 AM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: beckett
Bundy lacked the good sense to restrict his public comments to the issue at hand.

I'm a heterosexual, there, I said it. Now get over it.

9 posted on 04/25/2014 2:59:17 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bundy is not one of Holder’s people, nor does look like he could be Obama’s son, if he had one.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 3:16:21 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One man’s perceived bigotry (with some help from NYSlimes spin) is a distraction from the primary issue at hand of direct national importance, i.e., advancing federal overreach.


11 posted on 04/25/2014 3:16:39 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I could have an opinion but from where I sit, what he thinks, says and does is none of my business.


12 posted on 04/25/2014 3:25:18 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just watched the video of what he said. As someone who has grown up and lives in the South and remembers the days before the Dimocrat plantation, the only reason people would be offended by his comments are because the truth hurts.

Col. West said the same thing and it’s true......

http://dailycurrant.com/2013/03/18/alan-west-calls-obama-slavemaster/

During slavery, family and keeping the family together meant everything. Now they have willingly destroyed their families and their communities for the empty promises and pittance the government doles out to them. The only thing these people mean to dimocrats is votes and apparently they are too stupid to see it.


13 posted on 04/25/2014 3:26:02 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: beckett

“Bundy lacked the good sense to restrict his public comments to the issue at hand. He made a fool of himself, and there’s no going back. Going forward, no politician, left or right, can touch this joker with a ten foot pole.”

Yeah, for sure. In a matter of seconds he turned himself from a sympathetic figure, standing up to big bad government into just another bigoted, racist old fool. And, even worse, he’s managed to hand Harry Reid an out. Harry can now say, “see, told ya, told ya!” Sigh, happens every time.....


14 posted on 04/25/2014 3:27:12 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Early on a FReeper commented that all he has done is inelegantly state some if the same truths that Senator Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) did almost 50 years ago, before he was a Senator. I still think this is one of the more insightful comments on this episode yet. I wish I had bookmarked the post.

50 years, and one still can’t forthrightly discuss the real issues here.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 3:32:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: snoringbear

The main stream propaganda machine is powerful...!


16 posted on 04/25/2014 3:33:54 AM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Compare the media uproar over Bundy’s “racist” comments to the silence of the Corrupt Liberal Media over Jamie Foxx gloating on Saturday Night Live about killing “ALL the white people. How great is that? How black is that?” or Eric Holder’s open statements made before the Senate Judiciary Committee in June, 2009, that federal hate crime laws do NOT cover racially motivated violence against white Americans because they are not an Holder approved “protected group”.

Bundy is an elderly white blue collar worker who is held to a higher standard than a racist black Attorney General who is corrupting the law.

There is plenty of racism evident in this story and it is the same old racist double standard that is SOP of “liberals” and their toadies in the Corrupt Liberal Media.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 3:35:50 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: FreedomPoster; SoFloFreeper

Here, I found the post, and it was SoFloFreeper.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3148165/posts


18 posted on 04/25/2014 3:37:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Depends on your point of view. If you believe that Bundy’s cause was right before then the fact that he’s a racist jackass doesn’t change that.


19 posted on 04/25/2014 3:39:46 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bundy committed the unpardonable crime.

He noticed. You’re not supposed to notice.


20 posted on 04/25/2014 3:41:09 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What matters is that the Federal Government thinks the right thing to do is go to war against American citizens and use military-like organizations, including snipers, to govern them.

If there was ever in this country an organization or creature that needed to be run over by a steam roller, it is any denizen or group of same that occupy positions of authority in the United States.

21 posted on 04/25/2014 3:43:42 AM PDT by stevem
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To: All

It’s about the principle, not the person. Why is he holding “court” making comments using a mic and amps anyway? It would have made sense to maintain a low profile while the surrogates dealt with this in the public arena. Now all we will be hearing is not Obama’s desire to loose tens of thousands of hardened criminals on the streets out of “fairness” but what one guy in Nevada said.


22 posted on 04/25/2014 3:47:20 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I understand what Mr. Bundy was attempting to say and don't sense racial hostility in his attempt. It's a difficult subject to talk about and most people aren't great orators.
23 posted on 04/25/2014 3:47:28 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The MSM’s point is that racists deserve to be harassed, and worse, by the feds.


24 posted on 04/25/2014 3:50:11 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: MagnoliaB

Democrats of old used their own money to buy slaves. Present day Democrats use tax money to buy their slaves.


25 posted on 04/25/2014 3:52:54 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reid takes a tidbit of an interview, screams racist and demands Republicans and black leaders condemn Bundy (even though Bundy is, I believe, a democrat). Then the ‘full version’ of the tape comes out, conveniently only after the Reps have made damn fools of themselves apologizing all over the place as Reid preens his feathers, but not in time to make the evening news. Someone was a good little facist puppy dog. I wonder what bone Reid will throw them?

I’d like to know where the hell the people were, who are supposed to be protecting Bundy from beartraps such as this? Which individual led into this discussion of blacks and hispanics, why wasn’t it recognized for the trojan horse it was, why wasn’t such a trap anticipated as a highly probable event, and what did that line of questioning have to do with thugs murdering cows, pushing little old ladies to the ground and shoving guns in people’s faces to collect a bill, anyway?

I hope a lesson was learned - by everyone - that if Reid is the first person on the morning news cycle with a smear campaign in hand, it’s probably fishy.

Hopefully this morning’s news cycle will expose the smear campaign for what it was so we can refocus the heat back on Reid and back on the real message at hand - government heavyhandness and thuggery, threats of lethal force against a citizen from a senate leader, and smear and intimidation campaigns levied by a senate leader against any dissent from citizens.


26 posted on 04/25/2014 3:54:08 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Look at it this way... If (and I say IF) Bundy said those things in those contexts.. he is Ned in the First Reader to our VP. Biden has said way worse and more stupid! This is the media’s way to paint Bundy as some redneck hating man; thus, he doesn’t “deserve” equality or protection. Paint him as a “monster” and the American people will turn a blind eye when the government swoops in and burns his ranch, or kills him. Just my opinion....


27 posted on 04/25/2014 3:56:21 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Haven't we called the Welfare State the Democrat Plantation for years?

Is Bundy wrong to decry the loss of family ties, of self-respect, of work ethic that accompany the multigenerational welfare state? Is he wrong to point out the obvious: that those who have no guidance oft go astray?

Are the Statists on both sides of the aisle so willing to ignore the obvious, to wit, that their social engineering and the cradle to grave micromanagement of people's lives by the Government is a dismal failure? They only need look at the social and cultural wreckage they have created to see what is obvious to the rest of us.

The only problem is that they call it "art".

28 posted on 04/25/2014 3:59:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: blueplum
Remember folks, its the liberals were of dealing with, who will do what ever, say what ever and twist what YOU say to get their point across.

Cliven Bundy’s statement was totally twisted to read and sound in the liberals favor, with full intentions to be used to discredit Bundy. Reading his comments and watching the you tube video when he made his statement left me with a perfect understanding of what Bundy said. The media is doing its damnedest to take popular support from Bundy.

29 posted on 04/25/2014 4:01:15 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: blueplum

Media whores changing Bundy’s words to meet their agenda.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 4:02:07 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps someoone in the GOP should propose a constitutional amendment that is basically in support of what the media and the Democrats are doing in this case. The amendment would basically say an American loses certain contstitutional protectons if a panel of sociological experts - drawn perhaps from the media, universities and minority advocacy groups - determines that the citizen has made a racial utterance, and is underserving of either the benefit of any doubt about the racial interpretations of the statement or any forgiveness, either because of a lack of repentance, being affiliated with right-wind groups, and/or having too many characterists associated with prior racists in our country, such as being white or Christian or male.

Accordingly, those who are judged by this panel to have made a racist utternance, and are also deemed not worthy of any doubts or forgivenss, will forever be barred from seeking any legal redress against any federal or state government based on a claim that they have been damaged by the unconstitutional acts of a governmental authority.

Naturally, the media and the Democrats will want to call this a stunt and also say that this proposal is completely ridiculous - at which point the GOP should basically say - YES, it’s ridiculous, so then why are we not talking about the constittutionality of the government’s actions in this case, as that is a core question that is worth considering whether or not the person who is being damaged by this acitons might be a racist.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 4:04:24 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: newnhdad

He needs to be more savvy


32 posted on 04/25/2014 4:06:45 AM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My comment: the concept that truth is its own defense is now void in the US.


33 posted on 04/25/2014 4:07:01 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is not the best speaker but I would not call him a racist.


34 posted on 04/25/2014 4:08:18 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: rdcbn

Bundy’s argument with the FedGov is valid and his arguments are good ... his remarks are unfortunate in that they will become the focus and not the actual issue at hand.


35 posted on 04/25/2014 4:08:22 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we were to believe the media...

Bundy is “a bigot” (based on editing of comment to make him seem like one).

Trayvon was a nine year old (based on photo).

Zimmerman was a large white man (based on doctored photo).

Zimmerman was a white bigot (based on edited 911 call in which the media outlet deleted portion where dispatcher asked for description of suspect).

Al Gore won the 2000 election.

Bush is a war criminal.

Obama is your messiah.


36 posted on 04/25/2014 4:08:58 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess a man who puts a “kick me” sign on his own ass is more to be pitied than scorned.


37 posted on 04/25/2014 4:12:33 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let he who is innocent cast the first stone...

No man is perfect, no man is perfectly understood and by what right does anyone have to throw stones?

The left is very good at throwing them at all who do not ‘toe the line’ to their commandments of political/culture correctness.

Bundy was inelegant, but truthful. I too am known for what I call...’brutal honesty.’ This freedom is not the Liberty Lincoln had envisioned for the slave.


38 posted on 04/25/2014 4:13:03 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even if he was a democrat I would NOT want the government to do what they did to him


39 posted on 04/25/2014 4:20:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From Nathan Bedford's about page:

… the modern tendency to indulge certain taboos such as, Nazism, anti-Semitism, and the Holocaust, pedophilia, and, the most incendiary tripwire taboo of all, racism. These taboos have become weapons of the left in the war that is raging in America, a civil war waged against us by the left. I believe that the Democrat party in the extreme elements of it on the left have become increasingly philosophically bankrupt but the main prop of this empty vessel is the unshakable belief that they are superior to the right because we are racists. There are ways to react to this propaganda: the first is to cravenly succumb to it, which is the present practice of the modern Republican Party and it has been exemplified by the pathetic, interminable apologies of Trent Lott and Senator Allen. The second is to brazen a situation out as exemplified by the post gaffe performances of senators Byrd and Dowd. A third way, Nathan Bedford Forrest's way, is to declare, "damn your eyes, here I stand."

Here


40 posted on 04/25/2014 4:22:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The MSM's are more racist that Bundy every day.
They jumped all over themselves, even Hannity, without trying to parse what he actually said.
He is being punished for being white and honest, and not sticking to the PC formula.

Here are the MSM rules for white folks with whom they disagree:
He used the word "Black"? OMG!
It does not matter what he said or what he meant. He must be a bigot.
No White man must speak about Blacks. Not even a statement in support of the black community.
Negative comments are derogatory and bigoted even if true.
Positive comments are condescending and bigoted, even when true.
So, rip him apart.

41 posted on 04/25/2014 4:22:59 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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When Truth cowers, Evil thrives.


             

42 posted on 04/25/2014 4:23:32 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat Dollar has the full Bundy clip
http://patdollard.com/2014/04/shock-hoax-exposed-full-clip-of-cliven-bundys-non-racist-pro-black-anti-government-remarks-vs-media-matters-deceptively-edited-hoax-version-see-that-cliven-bundy-is-actually-an-advocat/

Bundy laments the corrosive Federal impact on Black families, talks about their long faces and crappy lives. Bundy pities the Black plight as worse than slavery. Bundy contrasts the Black family with Spanish families, how the Spanish are living happier and fullfilling lives.
Bundy uses these stories to underscore his conclusion that the Federal Government is the root cause of society ills.

Also saw a clip of whistleblower Tice, who feels vindicated by Snowden’s revealations. Tice was silenced by reports that he was crazy, and anyone running his story was also crazy.

Why am I conflating the two stories?

So that Freepers, take great care when watching clips and reading stories. You may only receive a small slice of the story, a story that communicates a lie.
Watch for the race card, or the mental card!

In conclusion, the demented David Gregory story, and the “Psychological Consultant” story. Was that a warning shot to all Journalists and Whistleblowers?


43 posted on 04/25/2014 4:24:09 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: swampfox101

“The main stream propaganda machine is powerful...!”

Yes it is.
All the more reason that Bundy should have stayed on topic, that being his land. But, he wanted to play talk show host and got in over his head in about one nano second. “Stupid is as stupid does”. Over, and over again and again. And so it goes......


44 posted on 04/25/2014 4:25:18 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: PaulCruz2016

The entire Bundy comment was not stupid. The stupidity was thinking the New York Times, or any MSM outlet, would report the story truthfully.

At work, we are reminded, continually, to not provide comment to Journalists. Do not even say you have no information. Send EVERY inquiry to the PR/Communications office. Just give them the Department name & phone number, then hangup


45 posted on 04/25/2014 4:29:36 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The property right is God given, not government created, and extends to all


46 posted on 04/25/2014 4:34:48 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let me take a CUE from the faux Indian from MA

MY ‘tribe’ had an old saying

EVEN A FISH WOULDN’T GET CAUGHT IF IT WOULD JUST KEEP ITS MOUTH SHUT.


47 posted on 04/25/2014 4:35:34 AM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The better question is" "Is it OK to be so stupid as to believe that Bundy's comments are racist?"

And: "Is it a sign that we have lost when supposed Conservatives back down from a simple Truth because they fear being branded as racists by the actual racists?"

Anyone with a lick of sense knows that Bundy's comments/questions speak to Truth and our side is too cowardly to call out the real race-baiters out of fear. This does not bode well for those of us who have any shred of hope of regaining our Republic and Constitution - too cowardly to fight = to weak to win.

48 posted on 04/25/2014 4:40:57 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Racist comment? Or realizing what welfare does to the family structure and the ability to be all you can be. Let’s face it this is just what the socialist/commie media wanted, as espoused by Saul Alinsky to destroy the gov’t’s enemy.
Disparaging Mr. Bundy will now give the gov’t. cover to go after him.


49 posted on 04/25/2014 4:47:53 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: EBH
not the Liberty Lincoln had envisioned for the slave.

The sad and stupid thing about this whole uproar is that Bundy chose to refer to 1860 instead of 1960 and beyond. The black race made amazing progress - through many dangers, toils and snares.

Then came the War on Poverty.

If ever there were an object in the Law of Unintended Consequences, there it is.

50 posted on 04/25/2014 4:48:48 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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