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Unedited Tape of Bundy Emerges, Sheds Light on 'Racist' Remarks
Truth revolt ^ | 04/25/2014 | TR

Posted on 04/25/2014 9:04:14 AM PDT by celmak

A new, unedited version of comments by Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy has emerged, and it sheds some light on the context of his remarks, universally condemned on Thursday as horrifically racist.

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Those abandoning Bundy should not jump the gun on this issue.
1 posted on 04/25/2014 9:04:14 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

context is everything! WIthout context the framing of the written or spoken word is in the hands of “he”: who does the presentation.

Thank you.


2 posted on 04/25/2014 9:06:15 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: celmak

You can always count of the LSM to twist words and take them out of context in order to smear someone they don’t like. He ought to sue them for libel.


3 posted on 04/25/2014 9:06:51 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: celmak

Regardless of whether he did or didn’t make such comments, what do they have to do with the land issue?

It’s like when corrupt figures in the government started leaking “Joe the Plumber’s” financial history and infractions to discredit him after he was mentioned in the 2008 debate. It was Mr. Obama who said “it’d be better if we spread the wealth around” and that was the issue at hand.


4 posted on 04/25/2014 9:07:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: celmak
- Glenn Beck seems to have joined Harry Reid and the BLM

5 posted on 04/25/2014 9:07:45 AM PDT by devolve (- Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - I need more SPACE - Obama Jr -)
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To: celmak

Damage is done. The Sheeple have their new Emmanuel Goldstein.


6 posted on 04/25/2014 9:09:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: celmak

Bundy seems to think liberal, big-government policies are disgusting in all contexts, and it’s hard to argue with him on that conclusion.


7 posted on 04/25/2014 9:09:28 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The enemedia did the same thing to Zimmerman.


8 posted on 04/25/2014 9:10:10 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: celmak

Context really doesn’t matter for comments like that in most people’s minds. since it was pretty bad. Sure, to us, but I am sorry, he should have been more careful with what he said. Most will not care.


9 posted on 04/25/2014 9:11:01 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: celmak

Even the edited comment I heard sounded not like a man speaking out of hatred but out of pity.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 9:11:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: celmak

Where is all the DU trolls telling us all is lost and resistance is futile?


11 posted on 04/25/2014 9:12:19 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You can always count of the LSM to twist words and take them out of context in order to smear someone they don’t like.

George Zimmerman would agree.

12 posted on 04/25/2014 9:13:02 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: a fool in paradise
what do they have to do with the land issue?

Not a thing, not a thing! It is only for the purpose of demonizing him so that when the Government murders him and his family, the sheep will bleat, "He was a kook, he got what he deserved. The brave Government Agents were only doing their job." "No great loss."

13 posted on 04/25/2014 9:13:37 AM PDT by sport
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To: Mechanicos

If you check the Bundy threads, you will probably find that they are members of this forum now.


14 posted on 04/25/2014 9:16:48 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

The KKK stood with the ATF and offered their services during the Waco siege.

That is, if we want to look into guilt by association.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 9:20:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: cripplecreek
Even the edited comment I heard sounded not like a man speaking out of hatred but out of pity.

Agreed, either pity or a scolding of "Is this what you call freedom from slavery??"

16 posted on 04/25/2014 9:21:05 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: a fool in paradise

I agree.

The comments aren’t connected to the land issue at all.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 9:21:34 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: dfwgator

Really, when have the facts ever gotten in the way of who they pick as their Goldstein?


18 posted on 04/25/2014 9:22:08 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: celmak

Funny the deleted part before puts a 180 on the whole thing...its a profound quote.


19 posted on 04/25/2014 9:23:36 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: celmak

I’m not giving up on Bundy. The only thing he did wrong was to use the word “negro,” which is considered wrong these days, although it’s the word we all grew up with, and back then it was the preferred word. Martin Luther King had no problems with it.

What he said was devastatingly true. LBJ and the Democrats put blacks on the Democrat Plantation, by destroying their families and cutting the rug under their opportunities to work. By giving them welfare for having children out of wedlock. And so forth. It’s all true, and it was done deliberately.

And those “range fees” owed to the BLM? That’s nothing but pork demanded for giving ranchers environmental advice when they don’t know a damned thing about the environment they’re supposedly supervising. “Get your damned cows off our land, so we can euthanize the turtles and put up subsidized solar power cells to pay off Harry Reid and his son!”

He’s supposed to pay them an annual fee for that kind of advice? He knows a hell of a lot more about that land then any of those useless, bullying bureaucrats.


20 posted on 04/25/2014 9:23:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: celmak
Those abandoning Bundy...

My hypothesis is that those that abandoned Bundy are fake constitutional conservatives, looking for any excuse at all to side with their DC buddies about Reid's sleazy land deals, and yet still get elected. Mygosh, look how fast Rand Paul and Shawn Hannity got on board the DC train on this issue.

Bundy did something beyond what anyone would expect a person to do in these circumstances, much more than those ranchers who decided to give up rather than fight the feds. He's not trained in dealing with a hostile media out to get him. What average person leverages everything they say so it can't be taken out of context?

I wonder if what he said is much different than what MLK said to blacks, many decades after slavery was abolished. Is it any different than Ceasar Chavez demanding US wages for Mexican workers who were being exploited and unable to move ahead to more independent lives?

The "constitutional conservatives" have been very, very disappointing in the whole situation. Very few had the instincts to immediately support citizen's rights to the land in these fast-moving events. Too many of them (I suspect looking for a "way out" from having to defend Bundy and anger Reid) quickly condemned Bundy instead of actually reading and hearing what he had to say, which is a consistnat message for US citizens to take back their lives and not be slaves to the government.

I'm very discouraged that we don't have much of a real voice in DC.

21 posted on 04/25/2014 9:25:48 AM PDT by grania
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To: celmak
Liberals, Democrats and RINO’s couldn't wait to play the race card. It still proves the axiom that those that play the race card have lost the argument and are using a ridiculous premise to further their agenda.
22 posted on 04/25/2014 9:26:45 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: celmak

There is absolutely no doubt that the traditional media is a propaganda arm of the Democrat Party, aka the government party. It has been proven many, many times that the media will edit any interview in a way that will be most damning to conservatives. They are not reporters, and they do not report the truth!

It doesn’t even matter whether or not they think they’re propagandists. Maybe they even think they’re fairly reporting the facts. After all, Mr. Bundy said what he said, except the media is hopelessly blinded by their own pro-left ideology even if they individually try to be fair. It would take an exceptional person to be able to properly put things into context, and frankly, most journalists are not very exceptional.

The important question is what can we conservatives do about it? We are not going to receive equal treatment in an agenda filled media. If one of our people makes a less than perfectly scripted comment, the media will attack ruthlessly. Whereas, someone on the left can make much more damning statements, but they will be presented in the most favorable sense by the media who see their “reporting” not as a means of presenting truth but as a means to fix society.

The bottom line? Conservatives really need to be prepared for the media onslaught. We’ve had several cases where decent candidates have made some foolishly naive interviews and comments to the media. Doesn’t anyone really think someone like Todd Akin would have been worse than a Democrat, regardless of Akin’s medically incorrect views about conception after rape? Does anyone really believe Akin was waging or wanted to wage a war on women? Laughable, but that was the media’s meme, and it doesn’t matter if someone like Biden says equally ill informed stuff on a daily basis.

So, we need to get a lot smarter about how to craft our message.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 9:27:00 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: Cicero
The only thing he did wrong was to use the word “negro,”

Well, coulda been much worse... if he used the "macacca" word, or heaven-forbid, "niggardly".

24 posted on 04/25/2014 9:27:28 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: celmak

So what? The feral government can communistically seize his herds and livelihood because now he’s judged a racist?

Harry Reid be waciss too. Confiscate his land and property. Oh, yeah. He’s a democrat. He can play that card anytime.


25 posted on 04/25/2014 9:28:10 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Cicero

This guy pretty much said the exact same thing as Bundy, albeit much more eloquently:

“Among a large class, there seemed to be a dependence upon the government for every conceivable thing. The members of this class had little ambition to create a position for themselves, but wanted the federal officials to create one for them. How many times I wished then and have often wished since, that by some power of magic, I might remove the great bulk of these people into the country districts and plant them upon the soil – upon the solid and never deceptive foundation of Mother Nature, where all nations and races that have ever succeeded have gotten their start – a start that at first may be slow and toilsome, but one that nevertheless is real.”

- Booker T. Washington (Up From Slavery)


26 posted on 04/25/2014 9:28:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cicero

Nothing wrong with that word either....It’s how we describe blacks in Spanish. What are the PC Police going to sensor spanish also?

Now that would be...racist!


27 posted on 04/25/2014 9:30:36 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: celmak

Nothing here that Thomas Sowell hasn’t said, only in a more educated fashion.


28 posted on 04/25/2014 9:31:28 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Twisting words just like their “father” taught them.
(See Genesis 3 for details)


29 posted on 04/25/2014 9:32:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: celmak

Race Baiters gotta hate.

They only hear the dog whistles.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 9:33:22 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: celmak

Chris Cuomo on CNN said the remarks were so bad, he would not play them.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 9:33:53 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: celmak

Sadly a lot of people have taken their eye off the ball. The issue is not Bundy’s views on race or anything else. The issue is whether a weaponized BLM should have the power to do what they did. And they should not.


32 posted on 04/25/2014 9:34:35 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Obama-worst president in American History)
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To: celmak

The notion that blacks are worse off now than in the 1960s or the immediate post-WWII years has been claimed by many black leaders over the years, and I culled several examples in just a few minutes of googling. I also found examples of black leaders saying that blacks are now worse off in South Africa than they were under apartheid. One does not have to necessarily agree with these comments to understand the point, and the point is NOT that slavery and apartheid should be restored or civil rights laws abolished. That was NOT Bundy’s point, and it is obviously not the point when black leaders point out current problems in the black community.


33 posted on 04/25/2014 9:37:32 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Mechanicos
Where is all the DU trolls telling us all is lost and resistance is futile?

They are ALL OVER THE PLACE ! Where have you been ?

34 posted on 04/25/2014 9:38:14 AM PDT by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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To: celmak
Didn't improve it for me. When I see this line of his:

"And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

I think of this quote:

"When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."

35 posted on 04/25/2014 9:38:21 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Even Bundy’s edited comments were not racist, they were just politically incorrect.


36 posted on 04/25/2014 9:39:08 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: DoodleDawg

Horrifically racist? WTF? Horrifically? Jesus..this country is toast.


37 posted on 04/25/2014 9:39:15 AM PDT by gwgn02
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To: gwgn02
Horrifically racist? WTF? Horrifically? Jesus..this country is toast.

Call it racist if you wish. I just think it was a really stupid thing to say.

38 posted on 04/25/2014 9:41:52 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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39 posted on 04/25/2014 9:42:14 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DTogo; cripplecreek
Agreed. I posted this on another thread last night..

"I would venture to say that Mr. Bundy has gone to bed bone tired, with every muscle aching, more nights than not, but with a heart full of gratitude for the freedom to enjoy the fruits of working so hard that it hurts. He was not expressing racism, IMHO, but pain at the inability of so many of his fellow men to have the opportunity to do likewise. So the man's not a great orator...I'll take the in-artful statement of a man who knows how to work over the soaring rhetoric of an elitist snake any day. "

40 posted on 04/25/2014 9:42:20 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (No Mo (zilla). I'm going to the Opera instead.)
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To: celmak

I hope Bundy sues the NYT; seems they went out of their way to change the context and tone of what was originally said.


41 posted on 04/25/2014 9:43:00 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Bundy had best not speak of social/political issues at this time, Harry Reid and the NYT out to get him and turn what was once sympathetic people to his cause against him. They are experts at that and he is not, although his arguments are well taken, they are politically incorrect.
42 posted on 04/25/2014 9:43:44 AM PDT by Vinylly (?)
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To: DoodleDawg

No I won’t call it racist, because what he said WAS NOT racist. SMH


43 posted on 04/25/2014 9:45:37 AM PDT by gwgn02
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To: celmak

Can someone link me to the TEXT of the comments? (preferably, indicating those that the MSM included, and those they excluded).


44 posted on 04/25/2014 9:45:40 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: a fool in paradise

“Regardless of whether he did or didn’t make such comments, what do they have to do with the land issue?”

Good question.

And why the hell is he bringing race into it and talking about slavery?

Nobody cares about his social engineering theories. He is beginning to sound like a big government type. Cattle ranchers get subsidies as well.


45 posted on 04/25/2014 9:46:04 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: DoodleDawg
"Call it racist if you wish. I just think it was a really stupid thing to say."

Many black leaders have said similar things, e.g., "We're worse off now than we were in 1960." And - by SOME objective criteria - they ARE worse off, particularly in terms of the broken family structure.
46 posted on 04/25/2014 9:46:34 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Vinylly

Screw that, I hope he keeps speaking his mind and sues the crap out of everyone in sight who purposely twists his words. If lawsuits don’t work, maybe, just maybe its time to go back to good ol fashion ass kickings.


47 posted on 04/25/2014 9:46:57 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Atlas Sneezed

The link is there, right after the excerpt.


48 posted on 04/25/2014 9:48:06 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: a fool in paradise
It was Mr. Obama who said “it’d be better if we spread the wealth around” and that was the issue at hand.

Obama basically told the world, 'I am a Marxist' --- and the Media rushed to change the story to digging up some dirt on Joe the Plumber.
Of course the Media is made up of Marxist, Sodomite loving, Godless atheists - so no surprise, but still irritating.

49 posted on 04/25/2014 9:48:14 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Much thanks.


50 posted on 04/25/2014 9:51:37 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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