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Ariz. bill allowing ranchers to kill wolves also vetoed
Arizona Daily Sun, ^ | April 23, 2014

Posted on 04/25/2014 7:54:58 PM PDT by george76

Gov. Jan Brewer will not give ranchers and their employees permission to kill endangered Mexican gray wolves on federal lands.

The measure vetoed Tuesday was crafted by Sen. Gail Griffin, R-Hereford. She has been a vocal foe of the program by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to reintroduce the wolves into sections of Arizona and New Mexico, saying they are endangering not only cattle but also pets and children.

SB1211 would have spelled out that ranchers could “take” a wolf — legalese for killing — that was killing, wounding or biting livestock. It also would have legalized a guard dog that is protecting livestock killing a wolf.

And the law would also have permitted killing a wolf in self-defense or defense of others. In that case, though, the act would have to be reported within 24 hours to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Brewer, in her veto message, said she is a “strong supporter” of states’ rights. But

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1 posted on 04/25/2014 7:54:59 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

shoot, shovel, shutup


2 posted on 04/25/2014 7:56:20 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: george76

“, , , but. . .”


3 posted on 04/25/2014 7:56:56 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: george76

What’s up with Brewer? I know she’s not running for Governor again but has she switched over to the D side already?


4 posted on 04/25/2014 8:02:31 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: george76
Brewer, in her veto message, said she is a “strong supporter” of states’ rights.

No. No, she is not.

/johnny

5 posted on 04/25/2014 8:02:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Grams A

6 posted on 04/25/2014 8:05:00 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: george76

Did the wolves illegally cross the border?


7 posted on 04/25/2014 8:06:42 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government should fear us.)
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To: ponygirl

Yep. What the feds don’t know, they can’t prosecute you for.


8 posted on 04/25/2014 8:08:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Looks like she has, indeed, gone over to the dark side. Used to live in Scottsdale, Arizona and my young’un was born there. Lots of love for that part of the state.

Noticed that McCain had invited Hillary to visit him in Sedona. They had to go and ruin that place, too. Did Christmas in the Red Rocks a couple of years ago. Really great experience.


9 posted on 04/25/2014 8:11:01 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: george76

Ok. So you can’t kill them on Federal Land. What if they show up on your land, in your back yard per chance? What if they are attacking your pet, your child, your spouse?

If you and kill a two legged jackal, why not a 4 legged wolf?


10 posted on 04/25/2014 8:11:13 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: george76
“A state simply does not have the power to allow a ‘take’ on federal lands,” the governor wrote.

"Take" = kill.

Why doesn't she make someone sue to prove that, as the Left always does. This is what spineless RINO cowards like Brewer do -- speak as if the Progressives have already won.

11 posted on 04/25/2014 8:14:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: greeneyes

As was mentioned above. Shoot, shovel and shut up. But if push comes to shove and the authorities are notified by someone else related to shots fired, “It was self-defense officer.”


12 posted on 04/25/2014 8:16:46 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: ponygirl

Exactly.


13 posted on 04/25/2014 8:27:25 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (The greatest trick the Soviets ever pulled was convincing the world they didn't exist.)
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To: greeneyes

“What if they show up on your land, in your back yard per chance? What if they are attacking your pet, your child, your spouse?”

Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up!


14 posted on 04/25/2014 8:29:29 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Grams A

Beautiful state, and a gun owner’s paradise. Unfortunately, the writing on the wall could be any clearer. It’s going to be Colorado in three years.


15 posted on 04/25/2014 8:30:04 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (The greatest trick the Soviets ever pulled was convincing the world they didn't exist.)
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To: george76

Jan Screwer has gone over to the dark side.


16 posted on 04/25/2014 8:33:42 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: ponygirl

Yup, Problem resolved.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 8:34:57 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: vette6387

That’s what I would do if I lived there, but I meant what is their law with respect to self defense, if it involves a 4 legged wolfie?


18 posted on 04/25/2014 8:35:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: chulaivn66

Put the wolf outside one of the windows of your house, break the glass, and put a cheapo .22 pistol on the ground by his front paws. Now call the police. Castle doctrine, you know.


19 posted on 04/25/2014 8:39:43 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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20 posted on 04/25/2014 8:40:40 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: ponygirl
shoot, shovel, shutup

That is the only way, I am surprised with Brewer.

21 posted on 04/25/2014 8:41:31 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Remember to hang the collar on a choo choo train or 18-wheeler.......or some dim’s ride.


22 posted on 04/25/2014 8:52:45 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: greeneyes

“That’s what I would do if I lived there, but I meant what is their law with respect to self defense, if it involves a 4 legged wolfie?”

Well, when it comes to the survival of me and my family, the law ends up being immaterial. You can’t fight the law from a pine box!
BTW, Brewer is an empty shirt. I don’t know who AZ is going to have for their next governor but the could improve on Berwer, McLame, Flake, etc. For a state with excellent gun laws, I am surprised at the trash they send to Washington.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 8:53:08 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Well of course, I understand the sentiment. No way a person is going to just sit by and let a wolf devour a member of the family.

I just wondered how stupid their state law was when it came to this issues, or whether they had some common sense in this regard.


24 posted on 04/25/2014 9:01:07 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

It’s going to be Colorado in three years.”

Been going out there since horses had the right of way in Scottsdale and there were no stop lights anywhere.

Love skiing in the Snow Bowl, great golf courses around Scottsdale, the Grand Canyon, Snoopy on his rock in Sedona, four wheeling through Rock Creek Canyon. Went to the most beautiful and spirit filled Christmas candlelight service service I have ever attended last year in Scottsdale. The one state that has it all. Just makes my heart hurt. No reason for it to go lib if your Governor hadn’t forgotten where she left her spine.


25 posted on 04/25/2014 9:09:35 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: george76

She’s wrong. Everywhere else a rancher or farmer is allowed to protect his livestock against wolves.


26 posted on 04/25/2014 9:19:44 PM PDT by MNnice
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Works for me. That would look good in cartoon form. Howza ‘bout The Far Side?


27 posted on 04/25/2014 9:26:15 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Grams A

I love it too. I’m 30 miles north of Scottsdale. Cowboy country. Not a day goes by where I don’t marvel at the beauty of this place.

But it’s growing fast, and the transplants are coming from all the wrong places. I hope I’m wrong, I have no interest in leaving here.


28 posted on 04/25/2014 9:35:50 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (The greatest trick the Soviets ever pulled was convincing the world they didn't exist.)
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To: Grams A

She burns me! Recently, she vetoed a bill allowing people with conceal carry permits to bring their personal guns into “gun-free” zones like schools and government buildings. I am sure that potential killers have noted them to be “soft- target” areas.

Let’s hope we can broom her out with a good conservative governor, instead of this wolf in sheep’s clothing.


29 posted on 04/25/2014 9:46:15 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

The area really has grown, particularly compared to the early 1960’s when I was first there. We decided to check out some property that was for sale when we were out there. Found a ranch called Kickin’ A. Believe it was close to Cave Creek? Fell in love with it. Wish I could afford to move back.

Fav place to eat has always been Pinnacle Peak. Been going there when we’re visiting for at least 50 years. There were no paved roads back then and no signs to direct you, you just sort of wandered around up a dirt road and when you came to something that looked like a bunk house in the midst of a working cattle ranch you were there. No menu, you just sat down and they brought you a beer, huge medium rare steak cooked on an open grill outside, a bowl of beans and some bread. Awesome food. They had all the cut off ties hanging from the rafters even then. Glad they have kept it as a family owned place and maintained at least part of its origin.

It’s just so sad to see so many parts of our beautiful country being ruined.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 10:35:36 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: bravo whiskey

No. The Mexican Spotted Owls flew them in.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 10:52:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: ponygirl
shoot, shovel, shutup!

Absolutely, no wolf deserves to live.

32 posted on 04/25/2014 10:58:13 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: george76
permission to kill endangered Mexican gray wolves on federal lands.

How can a state/governor pass laws on what happens on federal lands?

33 posted on 04/25/2014 11:13:27 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks ("I can see Putin's bootprint on 0bama's ass from my house"! Sarah Palin)
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To: S.O.S121.500

it’ll take em 2 years to figure out why that wolf was running at 65mph


34 posted on 04/26/2014 1:02:48 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: greeneyes

“I just wondered how stupid their state law was when it came to this issues, or whether they had some common sense in this regard.”

Don’t live in AZ so I can’t definitively answer your question, but like most states to one degree or another AZ probably comes down on the side of the wolves. The only exception they are likely to “carve out,” is allowing cops to shoot your family pet when he/she comes running over barking to give them a lick while wagging.


35 posted on 04/26/2014 1:15:35 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

My guess is, a piece of paper will not save the wolves nor will it make dishonest people honest. The wolves are at the mercy of those who would eliminate them (again).

There is that unwritten rule that says, “SSS” (shoot, shovel and shut up.)


36 posted on 04/26/2014 3:22:40 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: george76
Geez, Jan! Check out what the wolves are doing in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming since their re-introduction! Killing livestock, wildlife, etc.

Solution to Arizona's problem: shoot and let lay! (Or, bury, if you feel the need)

37 posted on 04/26/2014 4:03:19 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Put the wolf outside one of the windows of your house, break the glass, and put a cheapo .22 pistol on the ground by his front paws. Now call the police. Castle doctrine, you know.

Better yet, put a Roomba under the dead wolf and when it "approaches" the officer, he'll think it was his shots that "took" it.
38 posted on 04/26/2014 4:10:24 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: dalereed
Absolutely, no wolf deserves to live.

Not one that is eating your livestock or threatening your family.

39 posted on 04/26/2014 9:02:57 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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