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How Now White Cowman ... Mark Steyn
Steyn Online ^ | 25 Apr 2014 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/26/2014 2:32:07 AM PDT by Rummyfan

Like everyone else, Gavin McInnes has weighed in on Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's observations on "the Negro". Mr McInnes concludes:

This isn't about some old guy's views on slavery. It's about government control. We're not saying Bundy is the messiah and we accept him as our personal savior. We're saying the government is wrong.

Let's stipulate that Cliven Bundy is a racist. Let's also assume, if only to save time, that he's Islamophobic, homophobic and transphobic. So what? Does that make criticizing the Bureau of Land Management "racist" or "homophobic"?

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KEYWORDS: bundy; bundyracist; bundyranch; grazingrights; grazingstatistics; marksteyn; steyn
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1 posted on 04/26/2014 2:32:07 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

Does that make criticizing the Bureau of Land Management “racist” or “homophobic”?

Indeed but the GOP will still chase their tail.


2 posted on 04/26/2014 2:45:30 AM PDT by Altura Ct. (i)
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To: Rummyfan

Mark Steyn dittos. Like him almost as much as Rush. The man hits the nail on the head every time. How people can sit back and watch their individual freedoms being taken away and not say a word is beyond me. But then again, our choices at the ballot box these days are pretty slimy.


3 posted on 04/26/2014 2:52:23 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: Rummyfan
I wouldn't ass/u/me anything about Bundy being racist. He just pointed out one of the most unconstitutional, invasive, and pervasive overreaches of Federal Governance (the Democrat Plantation), and everyone seems to be having cartwheeling fits of diarrhea trying to distance themselves from the man and what he actually pointed out.

The overreach of the Federal Government is far from limited to some rangeland in the boonies, and the armies enabling, enforcing, and collecting the money to pay for these most universal and destructive of Federal programs vastly outnumber the 200 BLM JBTs sent to put the Bundys out of business.

4 posted on 04/26/2014 2:54:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: JLS

Steyn ping.


5 posted on 04/26/2014 2:55:13 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Richard Warman censors free speech.)
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To: sauropod

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6 posted on 04/26/2014 3:02:17 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Rummyfan

As has been pointed out in the first news of this devastating situation, the desert tortoise is endangered by the presence of cattle. Yet, for a very large sum of money to the government, a cattle raiser can use the land and to hell with the tortoise. So, it’s obviously NOT ABOUT THE TORTOISE.


7 posted on 04/26/2014 3:49:19 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: Rummyfan

These lines from Steyn are extremely important:
“No one -Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Franco -had devised a form of totalitarianism appealing enough to seduce (Anglo-nations). Now they have. As the Bundy example illustrates, a free people will cheerfully abandon bedrock principles like equality before the law if state power is being used to torment a racist or a homophobe or someone whose very presence offends against the citizenry’s sense of its own virtue.”


8 posted on 04/26/2014 4:02:12 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Rummyfan

Till you neuter the “racist” word you will have no conservative movement of any heft, no matter how much you grovel or weep.


9 posted on 04/26/2014 4:04:53 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: kitkat; Rummyfan
"Yet, for a very large sum to the government, a cattle raiser can use the land........"

The grazing fees, measured in a monthly fee per cow/calf unit, are very, very cheap. Much cheaper than what it costs to graze on private land.

There are a huge number of these grazing leases thru-out the western states and in total, the cow/calf economy is huge and a substantial benefit to the western states.

And if you add up the congressional delegations from all these states, they have enough power in Congress to prevent Congress from raising the grazing fees.

10 posted on 04/26/2014 4:19:06 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Rummyfan

Let’s also assume, if only to save time, that he’s Islamophobic, homophobic and transphobic.
-=0=-
Is that the same as Trashphobic ?


11 posted on 04/26/2014 4:19:42 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: Rummyfan

Drudge posted the unedited version of Bundy’s rant. It appears that the Times cherrypicked it to make it appear far worse than it was. Why isn’t this being reported as much as the original story?


12 posted on 04/26/2014 4:21:02 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Rummyfan
Bundy didn’t say anything Bill Cosby hasn’t been saying for years. Bundy is no more racist than Steyn. It boggles the mind to see supposed conservatives buying into the NY Times lies. For those of us from the West who have worked the land, it is disconcerting to know city slickers will never really get it though they can dance around it all day long; especially East Coasters. Note to Steyn: stop trying to give yourself more creds by continuing the lie that Bundy is a racist. It only points out your bigotry towards those who work for you in bringing food to your table.
13 posted on 04/26/2014 4:29:54 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Rummyfan
Never better. I have been saying much the same thing...

"the purpose of the federal bureaucracy's "grazing fee" was never to provide a fair-market value for the cost to taxpayers of permitting grazing on public land but simply to drive those cattle off the land, and their owners out of the ranching business. As a form of coercion, it worked. But it is not a "law" that should command any respect."

14 posted on 04/26/2014 4:31:38 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Over the last two or three decades, the Bureau has squeezed the ranchers in southern Nevada by limiting the acres on which their cattle can graze, reducing the number of cattle that can be on federal land, and charging grazing fees for the ever-diminishing privilege. The effect of these restrictions has been to drive the ranchers out of business. Formerly, there were dozens of ranches in the area where Bundy operates. Now, his ranch is the only one.

An unaccountable, radical left agency controls more land than "France, Germany, and Italy" combined.

Congress didn't raise the fees. Congress must pass positive laws to counter Obama's ministers. That isn't going to happen in Obama's senate.

Events such as these are not supposed to happen in our constitutional republic.

15 posted on 04/26/2014 4:35:44 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V.)
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To: Rummyfan
Just So brilliant!!

"As the Bundy example illustrates, a free people will cheerfully abandon bedrock principles like equality before the law if state power is being used to torment a racist or a homophobe or someone whose very presence offends against the citizenry's sense of its own virtue." P>And so pre-Nazi era as well.

16 posted on 04/26/2014 4:36:43 AM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Nobody is reading what was written about what Bundy said. They are watching/listening to the videotaped interviews and to the actual words that came out of his mouth.


17 posted on 04/26/2014 4:37:26 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: junta

If a white man calls someone a Negro, he is a racist, even though we still have the NAACP.

If a white man calls someone a ni##er, he is a racist, even though it is OK for them to use that word when talking to another.

If a white man calls someone a black man, he is a racist and is told he should use the term African American.

Next, if a white man calls someone an African American, he will be told he should use the term American of African decent.

Bottom line, the white man will always be called a racist, because it always puts him on the defensive in any argument and he can’t win in a politically correct world.


18 posted on 04/26/2014 4:37:29 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: Jacquerie
The grazing fees haven't gone up for decades and the prez has nothing to do with setting the fees so I don't see how you can blame the present president or the BLM.

Do you think senators, Orrin Hatch, Mike Lee, Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein, or any other member of congress from these western states are going to vote to raise the grazing fee?

19 posted on 04/26/2014 4:52:11 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Rummyfan

As always Steyn has it exactly right....particularly the last paragraph


20 posted on 04/26/2014 4:54:45 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Altura Ct.

Read Steyn’s column that is NOT his conclusion at all


21 posted on 04/26/2014 4:55:13 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Smokin' Joe

Read the column....Steyn has it right. It is well thought out and well said. He agrees with you in case you didn’t know


22 posted on 04/26/2014 4:56:06 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Smokin' Joe
Seriously, Bundy is as racist as a White Hispanic.

< /SARC>

Damn, the media can take out anyone they don't like.

We will never be able to forward a champion in the face of such withering lie fire ('v' deliberately omitted from 'live').

23 posted on 04/26/2014 5:03:28 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: ImNotLying
How people can sit back and watch their individual freedoms being taken away and not say a word is beyond me.

You'd be surprised how many people, including many on FR, don't care about others' individual freedoms being lost if it doesn't personally affect them. It sickens me.

24 posted on 04/26/2014 5:31:42 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: Rummyfan

This article seems to be evidence that the charge of “racism” is losing its sting. The author asks the fatal question: “are the actions of the BLM made right if we call Bundy a racist?” Grant that he is a racist, sexist, homophobe the BLM was still wrong. Let Steyn’s attitude spread.


25 posted on 04/26/2014 5:31:53 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: junta

Agreed. Steyn’s article is an attempt to do that.


26 posted on 04/26/2014 5:37:34 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Nifster
Yes, Steyn understands the power of the media to brand someone in order to keep their message from getting out, as well as to provide the excuse (in the public psyche) to justify killing them, in extremis. "Demonization" was done to the Weavers with incendiary language, each sylable setting the meme. Words like "compound", "assault weapon", "ambush", any of a number of groups who are supposed to be decried because of their beliefs (and therefore are to be considered "evil"), "Big" (as if that in itself made someone/thing evil), "racist", _____-ophobe (fill in the blank), etc., are slapped together for maximum effect, making their focus somehow subhuman and not worthy of Rights like the wonderful folk who seek to rob, destroy, or kill them (for the good of the collective).

Steyn has been the target of such rhetoric, so he gets it, but so many who should have been stalwart in the breach cut and ran instead.

27 posted on 04/26/2014 5:49:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Rummyfan

Steyn is batting a thousand... And every hit a home run.


28 posted on 04/26/2014 5:50:19 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Rummyfan
I don't know if Bundy is the racist he's been made out to be. I still don't know why he expounded on the problems of the black underclass (goaded into it?), but he is not far wrong in that they exchanged one form of slavery for another.

And those libs who view the law as sacrosanct (the laws they like), earnestly invoke Thoreau when breaking laws they don't like...which are numerous. Just see how much sympathy the people who trash logging sites or protesters who cross boundary lines at nuclear or military facilities get from libs. Then breaking the law is just fine...isn't that right John Stewart?

In short, most libs are incredible hypocrites about the law...including the president who is himself a criminal lawbreaker by refusing to enforce existing immigration laws.

29 posted on 04/26/2014 6:03:46 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: ImNotLying
>>But then again, our choices at the ballot box these days are pretty slimy.<<

The reason folks are beginning to stand up and push back is because of the slimy choices at the ballot box.

We are witnessing corruption in the electoral process like never before in our history. The federal gubbamint using all it's agencies power to alter American elections.

When our only peaceful means to enact change is polluted by evil men, then folks will stand up. The only way to get a bully to back down...stand up and punch’em in the nose.

These lil twits that permeate our gubbamint pick on ordinary law abiding folks utilizing the full force of the federal agency from behind a desk.

What they need is a good ol fashion @$$ whoopin. Scuff up their knees and elbows a bit, then send’em home sniveling.

I look at photos of wussys like Holder, Obozo, Panetta, Biden, Reid, Boehner...that's what I see. Little punks that use the power of elected office to push folks around.

30 posted on 04/26/2014 6:21:52 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: MarMema

“a free people will cheerfully abandon bedrock principles like equality before the law if state power is being used to torment a racist or a homophobe or someone whose very presence offends against the citizenry’s sense of its own virtue.”
Isn’t this what happened when so many people didn’t vote for Romney, not that I am defending him, but would rather go with a Marxist then with a rich capitalist?


31 posted on 04/26/2014 6:29:01 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: All

I don’t care if Bundy said he wanted to see the constitution turned back to 1789, at least he knows there is one.


32 posted on 04/26/2014 6:39:30 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: Rummyfan

Ya knew this was coming.
He’s also a Mormon—wait ‘till they get into that.

It’s a good gauge on how out of touch the “GOP” can be when defending our rights. At ANY criticism, they go to auto-cringe, roll over and play dead.

He’s waayycyst, of course. That goes without sayin.


33 posted on 04/26/2014 6:39:43 AM PDT by Flintlock (islam is a LIE, mohammmud a CRIMINAL, sharia is POISON!)
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To: EverOnward
You're missing the point: Steyn isn't saying Bundy is a racist, he is saying that is a misdirection to change the debate. In terms of what the whole Federal bureaucracy run amuck issue, what Cliven Bundy thinks about brown people is irrelevant. Whether Bundy is a Mother Theresa to American minorities or a David Duke is an entirely separate and irrelevant discussion.

He is one man, and if he is a threat to anyone the sheriff can pick him up.

The BLM is a standing army with nothing better to do than lord over and steal land for Harry Reid's corrupt deals.

Cliven Bundy is not a racist, but the NYT is a pack of liars. And that we already knew. I really don't care what they think of anyone. I think too much of my parakeet to even put it in the bottom of his cage.

34 posted on 04/26/2014 6:43:45 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: EverOnward

“Bundy didn’t say anything Bill Cosby hasn’t been saying for years.”

Cosby said it may be better to have been a slave with a family life who learned how to pick cotton?


35 posted on 04/26/2014 6:44:52 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: driftless2
but he is not far wrong in that they exchanged one form of slavery for another.

The real creeps in this argument are the heirs of the old Southern Democrats - in their minds they have devised a way to keep poor and uneducated people in their voting bloc - by keeping them poor, uneducated, and dependent on them for their room and board.

36 posted on 04/26/2014 6:50:57 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Rummyfan
Steyn is seeing the present and projects it into the future.

It is not pretty. It's frightening.

37 posted on 04/26/2014 6:53:04 AM PDT by Gritty (Gun controllers aren't afraid of guns but a country where the individual has power-Dan Greenfield)
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To: Fuzz

Neither did no such thing...

Mr. Bundy was asking a question...”is the black better off as a slave, with a family, food, housing, etc. or are they better off being a slave to the government?” It was framed as a question making a comparison between the 2.

“Pick cotton” is a euphimism for WORK...

Mr. Bundy fails in the articulation and the stay on topic departments and that’s all...

Anyone of us who is not an experienced public speaker, familiar with the ways of the leftist propaganda arm could have fallen into the same trap laid for him...

And the “isolate, marginalize and polarize” tactic is being worked against Mr. Bundy right here on FR...who would of thought?


38 posted on 04/26/2014 6:55:00 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: ImNotLying

How about “people of color”...is that permissible?


39 posted on 04/26/2014 6:55:24 AM PDT by kiltie65
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To: kiltie65

People of color is too broad

Besides, the decision is made....... black is the only PC acceptable word to describe negros of all variations and genetic makeup.

The “civil rights” movement needs all to be alike to be successful. There can be no splitting tolerated. No mulatto, no high yellow no differentiation. There can be no difference between the girlfriend of a zillionaire basket ball player and a common street ho.


40 posted on 04/26/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Ben Ficklin

The problem isn’t the grazing fee, but the continuous reduction in the number allowed. They also are retiring huge sections of land from any grazing based on human=evil. This is contrary to public law, which still mandates multiple use.

Oh....and I am absolutely certain that my senators, John McCain and Jeff McFlake, would gladly raise grazing fees.


41 posted on 04/26/2014 7:01:24 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

This thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3148817/posts

is about the ongoing fight for enough water to keep Tombstone from burning. In several years, has any national level politician from Arizona lifted a finger to help? Nope.

John McCain could put an end to this in a week if he was willing - but the national politicians ONLY care about CITY folk!


42 posted on 04/26/2014 7:13:57 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Are you saying that it would be more expensive for Bundy if he actually owned that land? Does the BLM pay money to grow the grass or something?

What are they doing that Bundy would have to pay more for if he was doing it himself than the grazing fees they were charging?


43 posted on 04/26/2014 7:15:19 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ImNotLying

NAACP is Colored People.

The UNCF is Negro.


44 posted on 04/26/2014 7:16:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SZonian

“Neither did no such thing...

Mr. Bundy was asking a question...”is the black better off as a slave, with a family, food, housing, etc. or are they better off being a slave to the government?” It was framed as a question making a comparison between the 2.”

Right. I’m aware, as are most people. That IS the problem, right there. Expressing the thought in the form of a question doesn’t remove the racist connotations, or on a more basic level, logic.

“Pick cotton” is a euphimism for WORK...”

Points can be made without having to resort to preposterous analogies that undermine your point.

“Mr. Bundy fails in the articulation and the stay on topic departments and that’s all...”

He’s free to express his ideas in his own rambling way, but he isn’t immune to criticism or pushback because of it, especially when actively looking for national attention and support.

“Anyone of us who is not an experienced public speaker, familiar with the ways of the leftist propaganda arm could have fallen into the same trap laid for him...”

There was no trap. He wanted media attention and rambled on about why he thinks he was only getting support from white people to a group of people with cameras.

“And the “isolate, marginalize and polarize” tactic is being worked against Mr. Bundy right here on FR...who would of thought?”

I would hope his comments would be rejected by all reasonable humans.


45 posted on 04/26/2014 7:20:08 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: kitkat
As has been pointed out in the first news of this devastating situation, the desert tortoise is endangered by the presence of cattle.

That's by no means a sure thing.

‘The more cows on the range, the more tortoises’

46 posted on 04/26/2014 7:26:01 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Fuzz

Then I’m not “reasonable” because I’m keeping my on the gimbal...and siding with Mr. Bundy in his bigger fight against the government and scum like Reid...

It’s funny how quickly many on FR “forgot” what happened to Joe the plumber after he made the 0 look like the bumbling idiot that he is...

What did folks think was going to happen? Then that RAT Reid says that Mr. Bundy was essentially going to “get his”...and a day or two later the NYT’s releases this edited piece of propaganda.

This should not have come as a surprise to anyone. Yet many here are pushing each other out of the way in their race to get on the NYT’s parade float...


47 posted on 04/26/2014 7:38:36 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

“Then I’m not “reasonable” because I’m keeping my on the gimbal...and siding with Mr. Bundy in his bigger fight against the government and scum like Reid...”

It’s possible to support his cause while still rejecting his comments, though it is difficult.

“It’s funny how quickly many on FR “forgot” what happened to Joe the plumber after he made the 0 look like the bumbling idiot that he is...”

He became a media celebrity, campaigned with McCain and other politicians, wrote a book and even ran for congress.

“What did folks think was going to happen? Then that RAT Reid says that Mr. Bundy was essentially going to “get his”...and a day or two later the NYT’s releases this edited piece of propaganda.”

Reid has a time machine? Reid made his comment two days before Bundy started rambling on about what’s wrong with ‘the negro’.


48 posted on 04/26/2014 7:49:58 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: ImNotLying
But then again, our choices at the ballot box these days are pretty slimy.

Maybe we can encourage Mitt to run again.

I just KNOW that HE would not let a fellow MORMON be run roughshod by the BLM thugs!!

49 posted on 04/26/2014 8:16:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fuzz

Where is Porter Rockwell when you need him?


50 posted on 04/26/2014 8:18:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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