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U.S. gun industry loads up, thanks to boom in buyers
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 26 apr 2013 | John Diedrich

Posted on 04/26/2014 4:17:11 AM PDT by rellimpank

Guns continue to do a booming business, with the industry making, selling and importing firearms at the highest level in at least a quarter-century, according to a new federal report.

The report also reveals the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives inspected fewer than 10% of the roughly 140,000 federal gun dealers in the nation — a seven-year low — as the agency struggles to fulfill its goal of inspecting all dealers every five years.

ATF's Firearms Commerce in the United States report, released this week, shows 8.6 million guns were manufactured in the U.S. in 2012, the most recent year available. That was a 31% increase in just one year. U.S. gun production nearly doubled since 2008 and nearly tripled since 1986, the report says.

Beyond domestic production, the U.S. imported 4.8 million guns in 2012. Last year, 5.5 million firearms were imported.

All categories of gun manufacturing grew, but handgun production jumped the most, the report showed.

Experts differ on the reason for the spike, suggesting it is due to safety concerns, fear over possible federal restrictions of firearms or simply increased interest in shooting and hunting.

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; nra; rkba

1 posted on 04/26/2014 4:17:12 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: afraidfortherepublic; george76

—ping—


2 posted on 04/26/2014 4:18:16 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
Experts differ on the reason for the spike, suggesting it is due to safety concerns, fear over possible federal restrictions of firearms or simply increased interest in shooting and hunting.

How about because of puke leftie reporters like John Diedrich?

3 posted on 04/26/2014 4:25:07 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: rellimpank

Increased production and sales beyond the capacity of the ATF to inspect, regulate, etc. is a good thing in my mind.

However, I think the strong increases in production have taken their toll on what used to be finely crafted, high quality functioning weapons from some manufacturers.

I’ve noticed things that shouldn’t have left shops like Smith & Wesson on more than one revolver (bad turn rings, missing parts), and from Colt on their semi-autos(no tension extractors, roughed up slide surfaces).

All of this on guns that were ranging from $800+ to over $1000. It’s made me now do more than a quick check on the weapon when actually buying it.


4 posted on 04/26/2014 4:26:59 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: rellimpank
"Glenn Pierce, a professor at Northeastern University, said guns were driven by what Obama might do before Newtown and spiked afterward.

There has been a perception that this administration wants to take guns away, and I don't think that has been true," Pierce said. "All they see is President Barack Obama as someone who wants to take your guns away, no matter what he says."

Well, Duuuhhh! It IS CLEAR that Obama does not believe in private gun ownership. There is proof he said that. But the Complicit Lying Press refuses to admit fact. Forget anything he says, He LIES! Watch his actions, they scream his intent.

5 posted on 04/26/2014 4:48:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: rellimpank
I do not understand this buying of more and more guns when nothing is being done to resolve the root problem, big corrupt govt that serves the rich at the cost of the middle class.

A Pastor in Maine did a sermon on how nothing will change till the powers in govt fear their ultimate meeting with Christ more than they love money, power, and sex with little 7 to 11 year old boys and girls.

Yet with all these guns being bought, no govt powers fear anything.

Would seem to me that the billions being spent causing ammo prices to spike and making gun manufactures enough money so that they too become elites, could be better used.

6 posted on 04/26/2014 5:19:03 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: rellimpank

Every time I’m in a gun shop or a gun counter in a big store, I see first time buyers, a good portion of them women of all ages.

These are not “gun nuts” hoarding out of fear of the government. These are people who fear for their safety with the rise of violent crime in previously safe neighborhoods.


7 posted on 04/26/2014 5:26:44 AM PDT by digger48
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To: rellimpank

It’s ‘ cause guns are like crack, I tell ya.
You get one just to see what it’s like, and it’s so pretty and so much fun that you gotta get another. And then another.
Pretty soon, you got a whole safe full of ‘em.
I’m surprised the FDA doesn’t regulate them like e-cigs or cigars!


8 posted on 04/26/2014 5:47:31 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: rellimpank
>>making, selling and importing firearms at the highest level in at least a quarter-century, according to a new federal report<<

Well if anything, the American people are sending a message to uncle sugar....loud and clear, “in this new federal report”. lol

Love’n it. Freedom loving folks are not just going to sit back and allow freedom to disappear. At least those of us that grew up in an age when America was still somewhat free. This new generation for the most part have been brain warshed into handing over their liberty. Not knowing at all what they've done.

It's kinda like that ol bird dog gettin in the chicken pen and tasting blood for the first time...he will always yearn for that second taste. Folks will fight like rabid coyotes.

I've tasted freedom, it is on my lips! I yearn for the day when folks can live free in this country once again.

9 posted on 04/26/2014 5:49:13 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: rellimpank

Kinda weird how the ammo shelves are still empty. I mean, the demand is there and has been for years. Why can’t I walk in and buy 22 longs?


10 posted on 04/26/2014 5:51:23 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger
-all of the ammo manufacturers have been running at full speed for over a year-

--they are concentrating on the big sellers ( .223,.308,9 m/m,.45 ACP)--.22 rimfire is low margin and more difficult to manufacture---

11 posted on 04/26/2014 5:58:41 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

“all of the ammo manufacturers have been running at full speed for over a year”
Not sure I believe it..If there was a long term shortage of any other product, an ipod for example, Someone would be cranking them out and they would be everywhere.. 22 longs and other ammos have been scarce since 2008.


12 posted on 04/26/2014 6:08:25 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger

If you have a WALMART or Academy near you, find out what day they get their shipments. Get there early, and you can likely buy three bricks every delivery day.


13 posted on 04/26/2014 6:09:26 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: rellimpank; All

https://us.advancedtactical.com/shop/product-detail/22-lr-high-velocity/?utm_campaign=advanced%20tactical%20launch&utm_source=intermedia&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=22lr%20gif%20300x250


14 posted on 04/26/2014 6:13:01 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Arrowhead1952

At the 3 local Walmarts, there are 5 people or more waiting when the deliveries are set out. Mostly old guys who are hoarding or reselling for profit. They seem to have inside info as I have have never beaten them there.


15 posted on 04/26/2014 6:15:41 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger

—I was under the impression that nobody manufactured .22 “longs” anymore —I am 73 and haven’t seen anything but “shorts” and “long rifles” most of my life-—


16 posted on 04/26/2014 6:15:48 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: ArtDodger

My take on the ammo shortage is it’s a combination of hoarding by the general public, government agency contracts for millions of rounds designed to effectively remove ammo from the shelves so the masses cannot use their newly acquired weapons, and a complicit ammo industry which will never cross the federal government and has been hamstrung with the task of fulfilling huge contracts from all the fed agencies that take years of production runs to fulfill. Even the postal service has been ordering millions of rounds. These contracts take precedence over production runs designed for retail sales to the general public. Like the high price of gasoline due to the falling value of the dollar, the price for ammo will never return to pre-market manipulation levels. One box of .38 special runs $35 for 50. Who can afford to go to the gun range now?


17 posted on 04/26/2014 6:21:23 AM PDT by 4Runner
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To: 4Runner

4Runner, as good a take as any I’ve seen. End result is a bunch of people with guns and no ammo...Who know Pat Paulson was so ahead of his day.. When he ran for president (spoof) he said “Guns aren’t the problem, it is the ammo!
Think of the thrills of sneaking up on a grizzly with an unloaded gun!”


18 posted on 04/26/2014 6:32:59 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: rellimpank
FTA:

Pierce noted a Pew Center survey from last year showing that nearly half the gun owners said they had a firearm for personal protection, up from 26% in 1999. Pierce noted this trend comes as crime generally fell during that period.

Duh. Prof Pierce, isn't it just possible that crime has dropped significantly since 1999 precisely because so many more people are buying and using guns for personal protection, which is one of the two main purposes of the Second Amendment???

19 posted on 04/26/2014 6:46:46 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: VanShuyten

I understand the affliction. It’s called, “being driven out of your house by the Gun of the Month Club.” Of course, neither I nor many other FReepers have that problem any more due to the horrible curse of Tragic Boating
Accidents that have inexplicably befallen so many of us.


20 posted on 04/26/2014 6:52:17 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: ArtDodger
Around where I call home, only people lacking much ammo at home are the Indians, and that's because they spend most their money on booze; their choice of course. The Whites mostly all reload and they ain't going to run out for several generations; all big time hoarders.

Myself, I just like buying guns, low end collector that will never be done buying dies bullets & brass for my new calibers. Boy do I like older well worn hunting guns that I have personally watched local Indians kill more fresh meat with than one could imagine, grandfather guns; buy them all too.

I buy a couple Ars every year, got a 308 Scar & MP 10 of late; and looking for a late 60's model 88 308; anybody got one?

Ain't any gun owners going to part with their guns, no matter what Big Ears has to say, be upheaval & change when it comes to that form of Government. You'd think the Dems would finally figure that out and make the crooked Republicans actually do something to win elections.

21 posted on 04/26/2014 7:05:40 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Gaffer

There’s a video a dealer made of a new Marlin 39A vs an old one. The new one had poor edges, loose fitting stock, and cycled rough. The current big boys are running it like a widget business. Get them out the door and don’t worry. Used to be matching numbers on bolt and receiver meant they were custom fit for best results.


22 posted on 04/26/2014 7:09:53 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Eska
Understand, Eska. But socialism is a creeping ism and it will work its rot on the east and west coasts and work its way inland. In Pennsylvania, I have heard, it is illegal to hunt with reloaded ammo. Don't know if that is all ammo or just certain ones. In Nazi Germany, hoarding was eventually punishable by death.
Hard to believe we could sink that low as a country but look how low we have already fallen in the last generation and especially in the last 6 years.
23 posted on 04/26/2014 7:13:06 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Bogey78O

I recently got hold of a brand new Kel-tec PMR 30. I only loaded the mags with the ammo they suggested and I only loaded them 2/3 full (20 rounds). Every 2nd or 3rd round jams consistently over multiple magazines. I sent it back to Kel-tec on January 6. It is still there for repair. They only say 4 more weeks when I have my dealer call them.

My guess is that they’re competing with the ATF in getting my silencer stamp back which took 12 months.


24 posted on 04/26/2014 7:23:09 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Get there early, and you can likely buy three bricks every delivery day.


And if people who used only one brick a year stopped doing thing this, there wouldn’t be a shortage. (Not objecting to hoarding, just saying what causes the shortage).


25 posted on 04/26/2014 7:27:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Lose to Cruz - 2016!)
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To: Gaffer

Yes you are right. Mr. GG2 field strips a weapon right on the counter before buying.


26 posted on 04/26/2014 8:08:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rellimpank
"All they see is President Barack Obama as someone who wants to take your guns away, no matter what he says."

Obama lied about Health Care to get it passed and he'll lie to take our guns away. Obama thinks the ends justify the means. A person stupid enough to take Obama at his word is either a fool or a journalist - hence the above quote...

27 posted on 04/26/2014 8:16:46 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats are waging war on the middle class...)
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To: rellimpank

Four brand new ones just this year.

Ruger SP 101 for CCW.
Savage Model 111 in .308 for long range social work. Great value package with a nice factory fit Nikon scope for less than $400.
2 each 10/22 Take Down for the trunk of our cars as an addition to the Get Home Bags Mrs. L and I each have.

Love that little Ruger. Cabelas had them on sale for $309 a copy. I watched them sell 5 while I was picking ours up. Put a 4 x 32 Nikon on them, dropped 525 rounds of Federal 36 gr HP into the convenient pouch on the Ruger pack it came with. 4 per loaded Ruger 25 round mags into the section designed for it and we have a darn fine “Oh crap!” rifle for the truck. The whole thing fits right next to the spare tire underneath the cargo area of our suburban assault vehicles. LOL.

Plenty of room in there for a few other goodies, too. Knives, compasses, beef jerky, power bars, water bottles, para cord, Bic lighters, flashlight, emergency blankets, tarps, multi-tools, etc. nice complement to the other BOB we keep in our vehicles.

L


28 posted on 04/26/2014 8:35:13 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

I wish FR would accept gun advertisements. They are so comforting.


29 posted on 04/26/2014 9:46:40 AM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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To: ArtDodger

“...Why can’t I walk in and buy 22 longs?”

Because 22 Longs, rigorously speaking, have not been in demand much. The last guns made in this country chambering those cartridges, and those only, went out of production before 1914.

If Art is thinking of 22LR (Long Rifle, postdating the Long by several years and today’s most common rifmire cartridge), there are plenty of factors that constrain higher production rates.

Ammunition manufacture is more complicated, risky, and exacting than gun manufacture. Profit margins are also lower, and raw materials have become tougher to obtain, in great measure thanks to foreign competition.

A rimfire cartridge is less complex and less powerful, but making of rimfire ammunition is more complex and dangerous than other types, while promising less return on investment.

Contrary to what many forum members apparently believe, demand has increased a great deal recently, especially since the school shooting in Connecticut.

Many assume - breezily - that ammunition producers can expand to meet demand without much delay, fuss, or expenditure. Not so: producers were turning out cartridges at top rates before 2012. Going higher would entail more headaches.

New ammunition plants, and production machinery needed to equip them, are more costly and take longer to build than in any other sector of the gun industry.

Such problems must be confronted by established manufacturers who already know what they are doing; entrepreneurs and other hopefuls not yet in the business face all the same problems, plus many more (learning the trade themselves, finding and training workers, securing their own raw materials, attracting a customer base, forging a reputation).

Depressingly, no bad situation exists which cannot be made worse by government regulation. Workplace safety rules, labor compliance rules, environmental regulation
(just to name a few) all pose more problems for ammunition manufacture than the making of most other products that might be of interest to the gun buying public.

And this infers that the regulators are knowledgeable, interested, and honest. Dare we assume so these days?

Since the regulatory establishment has been captured by Leftists and radical environmental interests, one can longer assume regulators are friendly. They pose even greater problems for ammunition producers, new and old.


30 posted on 04/26/2014 9:57:08 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: rellimpank

“—I was under the impression that nobody manufactured .22 “longs” anymore —I am 73 and haven’t seen anything but “shorts” and “long rifles” most of my life-—”

Longs (22 Short bullet in the case for 22LR {latter came along nearly a decade after the Long, and some three decades after the Short}) left routine production some time back. No new guns firing Longs (and those only) have been produced since World War I or so.

CCI has been turning out 22 CB Longs in small batches: low pressure, low velocity, safe for the older guns. Or they did until the most recent market scrambles.


31 posted on 04/26/2014 10:29:47 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: servantboy777

The American people are sending a message to Uncle Bloomberg, “Pony up more cash, Old Man. It’s going to take a helluva lot more than a measly $50 million to stomp out the 2nd in America!”


32 posted on 04/26/2014 10:45:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Atlas Sneezed
And if people who used only one brick a year stopped doing thing this, there wouldn’t be a shortage.

I have a few bricks in my collection that have been there for years. I usually buy three boxes of 50 at a time and when available. I keep enough to do some target practice when I go to the range or the farm and far from a hoarder.

Last time I went to WALMART, I just happened to ask about the bricks. The guy told me, "You can buy three boxes or three bricks if you come in early". It's their policy to sell no more than three of either to a customer at that store.

33 posted on 04/26/2014 11:09:25 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: ArtDodger

We left Crawford Co in 90’s, didn’t know you couldn’t use reloaded ammo. I highly doubt anybody respects that law anyway. Kinda funny actually.


34 posted on 04/26/2014 11:40:29 AM PDT by Eska
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To: schurmann

—excellent post—


35 posted on 04/27/2014 3:20:43 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: 4Runner

.38 Special is 25 cents/rd all day long....30 cents if you’re blind and slow.

>http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/38special/<


36 posted on 04/27/2014 5:51:53 AM PDT by G Larry (In the beginning there was "Right" and "Wrong" and we've been compromising in the "Wrong" direction)
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To: 4Runner

Consider changing caliber or reloading.

If you have been saving your brass over the years, it is relatively inexpensive to reload, if you switched to 9mm, I’ve seen steel cased ammo for less than $10 a box.


37 posted on 04/27/2014 3:08:13 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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