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U.S. troops arrive in Lithuania amid Ukraine tensions
Reuters ^ | 4/26/2014 | Reuters

Posted on 04/26/2014 7:49:38 AM PDT by lodi90

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To: JimSEA

I agree JimSEA.


51 posted on 04/26/2014 2:06:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: RetiredArmy

150 guys won’t be able to defend against a massive Soviet tank attack. We have taken hundreds of thousands of troops out of Europe, Germany, etc. since the First Gulf War


There isn’t going to be a massive tank attack by Russia right now. The Russian economy is tanking and Putin is in a weak position economically.

The point of this deployment is for the U. S. Army to set up shop in Poland and the former USSR. U. S. Army units deployed on the ground in the FSU is part of the bill Putin will pay for abusing his neighbors.

Notice that this isn’t a unit of mess cooks sent to Lithuania. A U. S. Army airborne infantry company is a credible tripwire and all that is required right now. Other companies will rotate in and gain experience in the region over the next 7 months. I serious doubt Putin wants to risk nuclear war engaging elite U. S. Army troops.


52 posted on 04/26/2014 2:08:51 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

This is all hat and no cattle, and Vlad knows it.

Obama is working for Putin, that is why there has been such a pitifully weak response by the US to date to Russia.

Eastern Ukraine will fold back into Russia with ease in the near future, as the folks there are mostly pro-Russian. Besides, having the eastern part guarantees Russia the ability to possess and to protect all the pipelines heading out of Russia to the west.

Obama and Kerry are merely doing a kabuki dance while Vlad applauds in private.


53 posted on 04/26/2014 2:17:37 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: lodi90

I am quiet familiar with what goes on in Europe and the Soviets. I spent 10 of my 20 years in the military in Germany. One tour I spent patrolling directly along the old East-West German border. My last tour was with the 3d Armored Division in Frankfurt. It was one of the main division responsible for defending Europe. So, I am familiar with everything that went on then and what goes on now. I sat in many a briefing and spent tons of hours in the field preparing for the Red Hord coming across the border.


54 posted on 04/26/2014 2:25:19 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: lodi90

PS to your post. Your said “tripwire”. That is exactly what units on the border were. We were THE early warning system if the Soviets came across. We were told our life expectancy was about 8-10 seconds if they decided to come. Just long enough to grab the quick phone to our higher HQ and scream “here they come” and then be blown to pieces by incoming.


55 posted on 04/26/2014 2:28:09 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: lodi90

bkmk


56 posted on 04/26/2014 2:31:43 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: dfwgator

Don’t know who knows, but the Russians announced the intention to create a base by 2040. Launching landing 1st probe 2016, orbiter 2018, and lander 2019.

Updated:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2602291/We-coming-Moon-FOREVER-Russia-sets-plans-conquer-colonise-space-including-permanent-manned-moon-base.html


57 posted on 04/26/2014 2:58:25 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: grania

Never said that. But Ukraine is lost. Russia is the warmonger here, not the US. Hard to be a warmonger when all US actions are more blather or token troops; meanwhile, Russia has 2-3 divisions wargaming on the Ukraine border. And likely several armies on standby (1 army=100,000 troops plus equipment).


58 posted on 04/26/2014 3:04:25 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: chessplayer
I realize I used a poor choice of words re #16. I apologize.

I would rather say, our homosexualist led military, which does appear to me to be the case, for one must suffer disapproval quietly therein, and without notice, which will definitely in many cases undermine one's faith, or be supportive of this "new" military direction, which will advance careers, but at the cost of sacrificing honor, which I would still like to believe at least drove the Officer Corps.

This is especially true of the Service Academies who have very specific Honor Codes: "We will not lie, cheat nor steal, nor tolerate those among us who do."

Do you feel that the writers of these codes then had today's standards in mind? Or were they working from Judeo-Christian motivated truth?

I think, and believe in the later.

Again, I'm sorry for the offense my fumbling use of words may have caused.

59 posted on 04/26/2014 3:49:53 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: exit82

This is all hat and no cattle, and Vlad knows it.

Obama is working for Putin, that is why there has been such a pitifully weak response by the US to date to Russia.

Eastern Ukraine will fold back into Russia with ease in the near future, as the folks there are mostly pro-Russian. Besides, having the eastern part guarantees Russia the ability to possess and to protect all the pipelines heading out of Russia to the west.


You have pretty much all your facts wrong. Congratulations.

Less than 40% of E. Ukraine was “pro-russian” according to the polls. That was before the Al Qaeda in Ukraine kidnapping and murdering routine. I see they did more Al Qaeda style hostage videos today. Huge own goal there. Ukrainians are watching this. They don’t wants to be ruled by thugs like this. So Putin is down to 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 who are pro-Russian. Maybe less. That leaves invasion as his only card. The people in E. Ukraine won’t be revolting and ejecting the Kiev govt for him.

The Russian economy is tanking and there is no genuine civilian revolt in E. Ukraine.

Of course Putin is free to invade if he chooses. Then the kenyan is free to pull the plug on Russian access to the banking system. That means no Visa and mastercard in Russia for example. The Russians will then be surviving on cabbage rolls and farmers cheese for the next decade. For entertainment they can watch NATO troops digging in in the FSU.

It will be fail all around for Team KGB if they choose to invade E. Ukraine.


60 posted on 04/26/2014 3:52:42 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: RetiredArmy

FRiend, thanks for your service. Since you spent so much time over there you will know that the Germans have always been wobbly. Nothing new here. Putting a few American troops on the line to stiffen them up has always been required.


61 posted on 04/26/2014 3:55:19 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

150 paratroopers. Wow! I hope they don’t end up being 150 “sacrificed” paratroopers.


62 posted on 04/26/2014 4:03:48 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: dfwgator

So, what will the liberals say if a gay soldier is killed because of his sexual preference? And by the way, if it’s a “preference” when do they say they’re born gay. They can’t have it both ways. Unless they’re bi.


63 posted on 04/26/2014 4:06:21 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: JimSEA

As with the ‘Rabs I still say give every bleeping adult in those countries a rifle and a box of ammo and let them defend themselves and/or fight it out among themselves for once. Pootin won’t invade a country with a rifle behind every tree. That whole disarmament thing just creates opportunities for thugish behavior both there and here.


64 posted on 04/26/2014 4:10:29 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: VerySadAmerican

150 paratroopers. Wow! I hope they don’t end up being 150 “sacrificed” paratroopers.


One airborne company a month for the next 7 months. They are a quick reaction force. The rest of the brigade can deploy from Germany & Italy on short notice. This is a fighting force and not a show the flag op. The 173rd is more than enough kick ass to handle Putin’s no insignia fag army if they decide to show up in the Baltics. I’ll buy you a clue: Putin wants no part of the US Army. Bad for business.


65 posted on 04/26/2014 4:17:42 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

You seem to forget that Obama told the Russian prime minister that he would have “more flexibility” after the No. 2012 elections.

Why do you think he said that?

As for Eastern Ukraine, let’s see how that plays out. All I see are Russian flags in the demonstrations. Kiev sends troops and armor, and they defect.

Most of the easterners remember being a part of Russia before 1994. They don’t identify with “Ukraine”.

Bottom line is that Vlad can pretty much do what he wants. The US is not going to interfere, and neither is the EU.

What we have now is all posturing. We are NOT going to get into a war with Russia over the Ukraine.

The American people have had enough of war for the last 13 years. Let the EU fight this one.

We’re broke, too.

As far as the sanctions go, Russia has all the gas and oil that the EU needs. that’s their bargaining chip and it is a huge one. The EU knows it, too.

The US Cavalry is not coming to the rescue this time.


66 posted on 04/26/2014 5:48:56 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

In the other related thread Ukrainians said they can only pay their troops $45 a month. And they want them on duty for at least 12 hours daily. No soap and underware included.
You can make as muc flipping burgers with less hours at work just across a Russian border, daily.
That is one single reason why Russia’s popularity would only grow in E.Ukraine.


67 posted on 04/26/2014 6:12:38 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: RetiredArmy

Who said it would be 150 guys? Probably half will be female.


68 posted on 04/26/2014 6:12:59 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: lodi90

There is a blog on the Foreign Policy website and one of its posts from last month had this heading: Putin’s Playing Risk, While Obama’s Playing Candy Land. Kind of sums up who has the upper hand in this current geopolitical struggle.


69 posted on 04/26/2014 6:36:36 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: PaulCruz2016

What knee slapping belly laught joke. How many are “gay” and how many are girls?


70 posted on 04/26/2014 6:40:33 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: RitchieAprile
I recall the Latvian and Lithuanian Labor Service guys in Germany back in the 60..

When I was stationed in Germany, circa 76-79, there was an airfield operations dispatcher that I worked with who was Polish and taken from his parents during WWII by the Nazi's as part of the "Lebensborn" program. There was a nearby caserne that housed and tried to main stream Lebensborn kids that were then adults. Sad...

71 posted on 04/26/2014 10:07:38 PM PDT by rochester_veteran (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Sequoyah101
Exactly. It is not our monkey. We don’t know enough about it to intervene one way or another.

I would disagree on that. Ukraine gave away world's third largest stockpile of nuclear weapons some ~20 years ago. Here is the gist of the assurances given to Ukraine for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances#Content

According to the memorandum, Russia, the U.S., and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:


72 posted on 04/27/2014 7:44:47 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Sequoyah101
As you yourself note those are two different questions:

a) Whether it's good policy;

b) Whether it's legally authorized.

Regarding (a) I've already indicated I think it's foolhardy to send so few troops to an exposed position.

Regarding (b) I think any President has extremely wide latitude regarding the deployment and use of US forces-- the only real Constitutional check on the use of force abroad is the purse: if you don't want the President to exercise such powers don't pay for a large military.

You can't have it both ways: it seems to me the position you're arguing confuses Congress' power to declare war with the exercise of command authority. And in this case, there is no offensive operation, only defensive.

People forget that an actual declaration of war has many legal effects -within- the United States, such as the power to seize enemy aliens, their property and that of the foreign power, the classification of certain acts as treason and sedition, etc.

As a side note, the Authorization to Use Military Force passed after 9/11 has already been adjudicated by SCOTUS as a declaration of war, and since it specifies "by any means necessary" with no time limit it is probably the most sweeping grant of wartime authority to the executive ever made.

73 posted on 04/27/2014 10:05:35 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: lodi90

Ha. Lot more than 150. Germany has not had a strong army since 1940s. Since, they didn’t impress me the ones I was around over those years in Germany.


74 posted on 04/27/2014 12:39:29 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: itssme

The Lithuanian partizans (including the Forest Brothers) kept fighting the Soviets until the mid-1950s. The last one was caught (and executed) in the early 1960s.

Lithuania has the lowest percentage of Russians in all the Baltics. As Lithuanians were deported to Siberia or sent to the Gulag, the Soviets relocated their own Russians. The Lithuanians kept killing the Russians, so eventually they stopped coming.

My father was among those deported. He returned in 1957. My grandfather was among those sent to the Gulag. He did not return.


75 posted on 04/27/2014 5:28:29 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: lodi90

Anyone remember a time when we fought wars to protect our Country? This is getting so old...


76 posted on 04/27/2014 8:58:57 PM PDT by losinmyreligion
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To: pierrem15

Those are my thoughts as well.


77 posted on 04/27/2014 9:58:29 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: IndispensableDestiny
Thanks for responding. I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather. I fear for those relatives of mine in Lithuania..a struggle to live, and the struggle goes on. May God protect them all who struggle and suffer under socialism/communism/marxism/muslim domination.
78 posted on 04/27/2014 11:23:24 PM PDT by itssme
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To: pepsionice

“trouble via alcohol and hookers.”

I think Putin has already planned an infiltration via Russian hookers and vodka; predictably our troops aren’t schooled in the differences between Eastern European accents and I believe it’s only a matter of time until the troops end up giving out info or end up dead in the alleys of Lithuania.


79 posted on 04/28/2014 8:39:39 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

150 I’d still bet they could kill 10 to 1!
You can Dis the Admin, and Pentagon all you want but do not Dis the Boots on the Ground with a Weapon in their hands!


80 posted on 04/28/2014 3:19:11 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: DocJhn

its not the 173rd Airborne Social Justice Brigade..


81 posted on 04/29/2014 4:52:12 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: PaulCruz2016

Is there a new ribbon for “speed bumps”?


82 posted on 05/01/2014 5:20:31 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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