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Military Sound-Cannon Will Be Used to Deter Speeders
Police State USA ^ | April 16, 2014

Posted on 04/26/2014 12:22:31 PM PDT by all the best

MISSOURI — A military sound weapon called the LRAD is trickling its way into domestic agencies across the country. Its latest application will be for use against drivers on Missouri’s highways.

The Missouri Department of Transportation (MoDOT) has purchased two Long Range Acoustic Devices (LRAD) with the intent of deploying them near work zones. The idea is to penetrate nearby vehicles with an overwhelmingly shrill sound to supposedly get them to slow down.

Called a “safety device” by the local media, the LRAD is most famous for use against civilians overseas during military operations. Its 153 dB sound waves are so powerful that they cause bystanders to reel in pain, clutch their ears, and run away.

Carl Gruenler, a former Vice President of American Technology Corporation (which later became LRAD Corporation) said that the device will produce instant headaches, permanent hearing damage, and that “you definitely don’t want to be” within 100 meters of the device. Of course, that was said in 2004, before the company began marketing its weapons to domestic government agencies.

Since then, the LRAD was being delivered to local law enforcement agencies throughout the USA; many through federal grants aimed at militarizing police. By 2009, the LRAD was dramatically used for the first time against Americans, when police mounted it on their armored vehicles and used it to disperse unwelcome protesters in Pittsburgh during the G-20 Summit

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153-dB LRADs will blast paralyzing sound waves at oncoming traffic.
1 posted on 04/26/2014 12:22:32 PM PDT by all the best
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To: all the best

153-dB LRADs will blast paralyzing sound waves at oncoming traffic.

What could possibly go wrong???


2 posted on 04/26/2014 12:25:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Yeah, not like making a high speed driver clutch at their ears could cause an accident or something.

What moron came up with this idea?


3 posted on 04/26/2014 12:27:12 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: all the best
153-dB LRADs will blast paralyzing sound waves at oncoming traffic.

Wow. What could possibly go wrong? I bet the injury attorneys are already working on TV ads to fish for clients damaged or who crash because of this insanity.

4 posted on 04/26/2014 12:27:19 PM PDT by lafroste (matthewharbert.wix.com/matthew-harbert)
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To: all the best

With the driver paralyzed by sound waves the car careened into the work area killing dozens.


5 posted on 04/26/2014 12:27:22 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: tet68

Bazookas or RPG’s would be effective, as well.


6 posted on 04/26/2014 12:28:02 PM PDT by liege (America 180)
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To: all the best

Do you ever get the idea that things are getting crazier by the day? I do.


8 posted on 04/26/2014 12:28:35 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: all the best

Any accidents caused by such devices demands that those manning and using those devices be dragged from their posts, beaten to a bloody pulp and strung up from the nearest highway sign. Intentionally causing accidents, mayhem and excruciating pain to anyone forfeits your rights to exist.


9 posted on 04/26/2014 12:30:01 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: all the best

Waiting for the lawsuits to pile up when someone has a accident or coronary because of this stupidity.


10 posted on 04/26/2014 12:32:20 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

As I have said to others i feel like I’m living in a fireworks factory and some idiot is running around in it with a lit road flare.

CC


11 posted on 04/26/2014 12:34:57 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Travis McGee

Ping.


12 posted on 04/26/2014 12:35:10 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Thumper1960

Got to start making ‘them’ feel afraid.


13 posted on 04/26/2014 12:38:47 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: all the best

I was driving along on a country road one time as a youth. I had some music and I was driving along sort of thinking of other things, easy to do when you’re about the only car on the road for a mile in either direction.

All of a sudden, this really loud siren blasted from almost on top of my back bumper. I hadn’t even noticed the car there. It scared me out of the blue, and I momentarily lost control of the vehicle. I was very fortunate that it continued to head forward, but I just was easily could have jerked on the wheel or hit the brakes, or have done something to cause a very bad accident.

If there had been people working on the road, I would have seen them and slowed down. What this guy did could have easily caused me serious injury.

Now they want to use these new tools on drivers, and I marvel at the lack of common sense government people exhibit each and every day.

For our safety, and I mean this seriously, we need to furlough about 95% of them.


14 posted on 04/26/2014 12:40:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: all the best; All
... the device will produce instant headaches, permanent hearing damage, and that “you definitely don’t want to be” within 100 meters of the device.

As with drivers causing crashes by not paying attention to the road while texting, not only will drivers likewise be distracted by these cannons, but they'll be distracted when they are driving faster than the higher legal speed and at greater risk for a worse accident imo.

15 posted on 04/26/2014 12:43:10 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: all the best

It’s not about public safety, it’s for surreptitiously pre-emplacing Weaponry for use against unruly citizens.

Imagine one or two of these at the recent Bundy Ranch Standoff? You might get the idea...


16 posted on 04/26/2014 12:43:36 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: all the best
When I worked as a surveyor on highway projects; I would have welcomed a "military sound cannon" -- at least until someone develops a proper vapourizing ray.

I suspect that the sound won't be turned all the way up to 11 -- instead it'll be used to hail speeders, with a warning or a command to

There's plenty of precedent for using a "sound cannon", or "Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD)" to communicate authoritatively Here's an interestng article on the topic:

http://www.rferl.org/content/explainer-lrad-sound-cannon/24927845.html

17 posted on 04/26/2014 12:44:15 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: all the best
If one of these blasted in or anywhere near my vehicle and my hearing range I'd be tracking me down some officials to with my fist beat the living crap out of. I'm serious and do not say it lightly. I have neurological damage in my auditory and optic sensory processing system that such an event would trigger seizures and immediate loss of concentration. This is very dangerous technology that the mere distraction of it being deployed will get innocent persons killed by the cognitive issues it causes. What sort of sadistic fool is authorizing using this?

Why is it suddenly civilian law enforcement as agencies have been allowed to become a militarized band of tyrants? Put a darn cruiser with a cop in the construction zone and let him cite speeders. Have two. One in the start of the zone and one near the end who can innate pursuit and the witnessing officer issue a citation.

18 posted on 04/26/2014 12:46:50 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: all the best
At these levels even short term exposure can cause permanent damage -

Loudest recommended exposure WITH hearing protection: 140dB
Jet engine at 100' 140dB
12 Gauge Shotgun Blast 165dB
Death of hearing tissue 180dB
Loudest sound possible 194dB
19 posted on 04/26/2014 12:47:16 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Thumper1960

I’m thinking heads on pikes. They stay up and are more long-lasting reminders.


20 posted on 04/26/2014 12:47:18 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: all the best

I would hit the gas and get out of range of that thing as quickly as possible.


21 posted on 04/26/2014 12:47:47 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: all the best

Why don’t they just shoot rockets at speeding cars... or perhaps have a drone take them out with a surface-to-ground missile or something.


22 posted on 04/26/2014 12:48:08 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

In my state speeding through construction when lights are flashing meaning persons actually there working will get you a $500 fine. In 99% of the zones at least one cop is there drawing some extra cash which is fine. That should suffice. A sound cannon can cause the offending driver and others to loose complete control of self and vehicle.


23 posted on 04/26/2014 12:53:07 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Cementjungle

Exactly! What’s wrong with conventional weapons? Some mortars or artillery would be more sporting.


24 posted on 04/26/2014 12:56:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Cementjungle

“Why don’t they just shoot rockets at speeding cars... or perhaps have a drone take them out with a surface-to-ground missile or something.”

Today’s satire is tomorrow’s reality with those people. Don’t give them any ideas.


25 posted on 04/26/2014 12:57:22 PM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: all the best

How many will suffer immediate heart attacks at the wheel, and be blameful for the results, instead of the police with thier over-reaching technology?


26 posted on 04/26/2014 12:58:39 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: all the best

Great...it’s be like the gang-banger next to you on the roadway with rap crap turned up to 11 — only 10x worse. Instead of slowing people down, they’ll do the exact opposite. I’d speed up as much as I can to get past the pain zone.

Government sure continues to attract the best and brightest, doesn’t it?


27 posted on 04/26/2014 1:00:02 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: all the best

153 db will damage your hearing measurably, permanently in seconds. Lawsuit.


28 posted on 04/26/2014 1:00:55 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Government sure continues to attract the best and brightest, doesn’t it?”

Who was it that said politics(government)is like a pond? The scum rise to the top.


29 posted on 04/26/2014 1:02:12 PM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The “proper vapourizing ray.” When I was a kid, we took LONG family road trips across the country and that was always my dream. I’d target the idiots using the bug spat “sights” on the windshield and let loose the ray to vaporize ‘em. Only way to keep my sanity cooped up with the family for 5,000 miles.


30 posted on 04/26/2014 1:04:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: caveat emptor
It's not so much the DB level causing the reaction but rather the frequencies used. How distracting for example would a sound the frequency of a typical household smoke alarm be especially out of the element of where you would expect to hear it?

I remember when I drove an 18 wheeler. First thing we were taught was pull the horn only as a last resort because it would likely create panic in the diver in front of you. I only used my air horn as a make shift burglar alarm for when I was in the sleeper. Second thing we were told to be careful when and where we engaged it was the Jake Brake for the same reasons. When a truck behind or beside you suddenly sounds like someone cranked up the engine volume that is the Jake Brake. It's supposed to only be used going down steep grades as a means to slow the truck.

31 posted on 04/26/2014 1:05:09 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: all the best; All

I hope no construction workers are hurt when Missourian’s start shooting these out.


32 posted on 04/26/2014 1:05:23 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: caveat emptor

Your table is obviously wrong. Herewith, the correct table:

* Jet engine at 100’ 140dB
* 12 Gauge Shotgun Blast 165dB
* Death of hearing tissue 180dB
* Loudest sound possible 194dB
* Gang-banger in car next to you at red light lebentyzillion dB


33 posted on 04/26/2014 1:05:39 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: all the best

“Its 153 dB sound waves are so powerful that they cause bystanders to reel in pain, clutch their ears, and run away.”

Now, what could *possibly* go wrong with deploying one those near a freeway work site?

/do I really need a sarc tag here?


34 posted on 04/26/2014 1:06:07 PM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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To: all the best
the LRAD is most famous for use against civilians overseas during military operations.

These are military weapons designed to be used against the enemy....Oh, I get it...

35 posted on 04/26/2014 1:06:48 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: cva66snipe

In the old days, there was nothing more fearful than going down a long country grade in Washington or Oregon with a fully loaded log truck behind riding his Jake Brake. Still sends shivers down my spine. Yikes!


36 posted on 04/26/2014 1:08:22 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: cva66snipe

Yeah, this might create more problems than it solves. I was mainly trying to express support for taking the speeding problem seriously. Also, I thought that the article was a bit hyperbolic in that it left the impression that the device would be used as a weapon, rather than as a communications device. (Albeit, a very loud, perhaps dangerous-to-use-with-moving-traffic type of communications device.)

BTW, police enforcement in construction zones is rare here — especially if only the survey crew is working. It can be pretty scarey, when you have to set up in the middle of a busy highway.


37 posted on 04/26/2014 1:12:13 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Only way to keep my sanity cooped up with the family for 5,000 miles.”

Are you sure it worked? (Just kidding.)


38 posted on 04/26/2014 1:13:29 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: all the best
Looking at this picture...

the device seems fairly large and should be pretty easy to take out.

I assume the construction zone LRADs will be tripped by conventional speed-sensing radar.

Situation:
I'm driving down a four lane divided highway in the right lane and come up on a construction zone where the speed limit drops, say, to 35mph. I obey. Meanwhile, some idiot in the left lane does not slow down and enters the construction zone at, say, 55mph. The radar senses him and turns on the LDAR. Now I, law abiding driver, am being subjected to LDAR because he's a fool.

I expect my lawsuit will name around 30 defendants, LRAD Corporation being at the top of the list.

39 posted on 04/26/2014 1:14:08 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: all the best

Mission creep at its very worst. Please tell me that this is from The Onion...


40 posted on 04/26/2014 1:19:28 PM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: Mastador1

What about the dogs in the cars?


41 posted on 04/26/2014 1:22:41 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: tet68

They will get sued when the first pile-up occurs because of this freaking out one or more drivers.

Then they will no longer use it. But it will take people being killed and a lawsuit to get them to say they won’t use it.


42 posted on 04/26/2014 1:23:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Exactly so.


43 posted on 04/26/2014 1:23:57 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: TigersEye

LOL


44 posted on 04/26/2014 1:24:41 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: tet68
"What could possibly go wrong???"

Well, if I recover ... and I find where the son of a bitch is ... I'll pull my illegally possessed firearm and shoot the MF'er and spend the rest of my life in prison

45 posted on 04/26/2014 1:25:17 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: cva66snipe

As a biker, I can personally vouch for what you’ve said.


46 posted on 04/26/2014 1:27:00 PM PDT by Salamander (Agent Of Fortune)
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To: all the best
They should just vaporize the speeders.

It will be safer for everybody.


47 posted on 04/26/2014 1:27:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Ray76

With the driver...
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What about motorcyclists or drivers of convertibles ... I can see being right in front of this thing when a speeder comes by you and sets it off...


48 posted on 04/26/2014 1:29:59 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: all the best
The Solution


49 posted on 04/26/2014 1:30:18 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The article states the truth of the dangers and this is way too dangerous technology for use on moving vehicles. People react differently to different frequencies. Most frequencies may not bother them while others there are many frequencies that bother them.

Let me give you an example. Remember when Walmart used an alarm in Electronics that went off every time anyone entered or left? It was a high pitch tone. Thus I could not shop there. I called Corp back when the higher ups actually cared about customers concerns and listened to customers. I explained what they were doing & the alarms were removed. I didn't have to say I'm going to sue rather I explained to the then VP of Loss Control what they did to people. Watch people in places like Lowes and Home Depot where alarms and paging tones are going off. Watch them become more and more agitated although they may not know why.

I understand the safety issues for construction crews. In Tennessee they usually use considerable precautions especially cops in construction zones from multiple land closures to concrete barriers. Then they went to another extreme and created a Move Over Law. Meaning if Joe Patrolman was running a speed trap with his buddies and had a car pulled over on the shoulder by law you have to move left. Try that in a two mile stretch where they are running a trap and persons are jockeying for the proper lane for a major interstate junction. What would have been a better idea? Approaching the offending vehicle from the passenger side. Some cops have caught on. Others still stick their butts out in traffic.

I can show you something else about sound few persons know. We've all heard the kids in cars with cranked up sound systems you hear the bass long before the other frequencies. The bass frequencies can not be stopped. Hearing protection won't stop it because it penetrates the skull which is part of your hearing which is one reason those cannons are a danger. An Audiologist doing an extensive hearing test will test that portion of your hearing. Try it next time you hear a car like that. Stop up your ears as tight as you can. You'll still hear it and feel it.

50 posted on 04/26/2014 1:36:04 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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