Posted on 04/26/2014 4:33:56 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
Russia’s aggression against Ukraine has led to Russia’s international isolation, including NATO’s suspension of all practical cooperation with Russia. To divert attention away from its actions, Russia has levelled a series of accusations against NATO which are based on misrepresentations of the facts and ignore the sustained effort that NATO has put into building a partnership with Russia. Russia has also made baseless attacks on the legitimacy of the Ukrainian authorities and has used force to seize part of Ukraine’s territory. This document sets the record straight.
(Excerpt) Read more at nato.int ...
Here is the other side to the story. Bush41 assured Gorbachev that NATO would be disband after Warsaw Pact was disbanded and the Soviet Union dissolved and replaced with Security Council of Europe. Russia would be part of it. Instead NATO still exist and is used by EU to attack Yugoslavia and US to attack other nations in the world. When we kept NATO we promised Yelsin not to add former Warsaw Pact nations to NATO. Today Poland, the Balkins (Romania, Bulgaria) and Baltic states are members of NATO. Then the US assured Russia that we will not make any former Soviet states part of NATO or EU. Then EU/US used NGO to influence the elections in Ukraine and Georgia.
Those are interesting accusations. They are not worth the paper they are written on...
You do have copies of these treaties... right?
Just as Putin’s assurances, in written treaties, that Russia would respect Ukraine’s borders in return for it disarming.
Just like Obama refusing to honor the U.S. committment to protect Ukrainian borders, and the U.S. committment to put in place the anti-missile defenses that Obama unilateraly canceled.
And, for your benefit, just like the NATO charter’s promise not to go outside of NATO unless it was attacked... Then it went into the Balkans on the side of the Islamicists.
It just shows that these agreements and treaties are worthless without the raw power to back them up.
Well, that’s a good reason for Russia to invade its neighbors.
Newsflash. WP was disbanded because all Russia's “allies” wanted to stay as far away from them as it is possible. NATO was expanded for the very same reason.
Isn’t that another propaganda myth with no basis in credible evidence? How for instance, was the POTUS supposed to unilaterrally order all of the other member states to disband their organization without a formal treaty written on paper and ratified by each member state of NATO?
Just imagine if Russia, China or any other power signed mutual defense treaties with Mexico, Cuba, the Bahamas or with Quebec or British Columbia. And imagine if that hostile alliance threatened our viable defense of our only year-round warm water port -- that's what Sevastopol in Crimea is to Russia. In the past we have invoked the 1823 Monroe Doctrine and driven outsiders from our hemisphere. What makes Russia less entitled to the security of its own borders against a hostile alliance?
As Americans, we need to question whether we're just as committed to total war on behalf of Slovenia, Bulgaria or Croatia as we are for the Brits, Germans, Italians and Dutch. NATO has inflated its treaty membership into meaninglessness, with Americans committed to fight for people we've never known and whose events do not threaten our security one bit. This is ludicrous, and it is very dangerous.
Are you living in Poland or a Polish expat in the United States?
LOL—please provide me with information so that I may personally attack you. You Russians are funny.
Okay, I'm imagining that. So. What.
Can someone indicate to me when the demise of the Monroe Doctrine took place?
I’m not asking for any personal information, just curious. I know many people from Poland, even had a Polish girlfriend, none of them was so toxically anti-Russian.
A Chukchi expat in Pernambuco.
Were your friends Russian occupiers?
What?
Do you understand what the Monroe Doctrine is and its almost two centuries of enforcement? The United States considers any such outside meddling in our hemisphere as an act of war against the United States itself. Yet Russia is supposed to relax as a hostile alliance seeks to encircle it with forces along its borders? Who has been provoking whom for the past twenty years?
Practically speaking, on Election Day, 2008.
Russia promised to honor Ukraines borders in the Budapest Memorandum 20 years ago.
They broke that promise.
Anyway here's the FreeReign Doctrine.
Russia can't annex Ukraine, Georgia..any country.
US can't annex Canada, Mexico...any country.
Beyond all of that any country as the inalienable right to ask anybody to help DEFEND itself.
Do you understand inalienable rights.
The declaration of the end of the Cold War was always unwarranted by the geo political reality that Russia remained a hostile state towards the members of NATO. Furthermore the NATO mission included maintaining the peace among the members of NATO and not just an adversarial position against the former Soviet union. So, pretty much everything you cited is a repetition of the communist dogma that falsely claimed NATO serves no legitimate purpose.
Apparently you think they have been delightful global partners at some point in the past.
Got news for you......lol
This entire mess is due to Russia's strategic desire to wake the “Bear” from it's 20 year sleep.
There is not a single country in the region that wants that to happen because they have memories that are not all that old.
For the US to turn it's back while a past and present foe tries to rebuild it's power base and black sea fleet, and resume it's longer term strategic goals using it's signature threat and intimidation model, would be just about the dumbest move ever made by any western power.
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