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Unknown gunmen land from helicopter, attack checkpoint in Donetsk region ("US-made guns"?)
RT ^ | 4-26-2014 | RT

Posted on 04/26/2014 9:22:44 PM PDT by tcrlaf

Self-defence forces have managed to repel an attack on a checkpoint in Soledar city in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region after unknown assailants landed in a helicopter and attacked in a blitz operation.

Over a dozen of gunmen descended from the helicopter and launched an attack on a defense squad guarding a checkpoint near Soledar. As the unknown men attacked, the militia, most of them reportedly unarmed, was forced to retreat.

Following the shootout, the attackers have retreated as well, taking one of the defenders hostage, the local self-defense force told RT’s correspondent Paula Slier who is at the scene.

There are conflicting reports of deaths and injuries, with some talking about at least one killed among the attackers, while other reports suggest one of the defenders was killed.

After the military raid ended, some of the self-defence militia moved forward to retake the checkpoint. Those who were guarding the checkpoint, told Slier that the marked attackers in black uniforms were armed with ‘US-made guns’.

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KEYWORDS: agitprop; civilwar; coup; ibtz; putinsbuttboys; russia; russiatoday; ukraine
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If true this is a major escalation.

The "US Weapons" quote is very important. If true, this opens up all kinds of problems. If it isn't true, what is Russia going for?

1 posted on 04/26/2014 9:22:45 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
Tweet from the RT article.
2 posted on 04/26/2014 9:24:02 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

The tweet:
PaulaSlier_RT
Woman tells me she got phone all from kidnapped man before he was taken saying he could see four men lying in the grass


3 posted on 04/26/2014 9:25:25 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

The ever-reliable Russia Today.

Nazi propaganda for the 21st century.


4 posted on 04/26/2014 9:30:08 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Got another source reporting this attack in detail that would meet with your approval???? I’ll be glad to review it, if you do.


5 posted on 04/26/2014 9:30:58 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

How about you post from a non-Russian source?

Now THAT would be something we’ve never seen on FR.


6 posted on 04/26/2014 9:33:27 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

As I said, do you have a non-Russian source that you approve of, that is carrying this story? ? Or do you just like to complain?


7 posted on 04/26/2014 9:35:31 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I agree. Don’t post from Russian propaganda sources. Their goal is to manipulate public opinion for the uninformed and spread lies.


8 posted on 04/26/2014 9:35:52 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; Admin Moderator

So you have no other sources to the story to point to, and nothing to add, just flaming, correct?


9 posted on 04/26/2014 9:37:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“...The “US Weapons” quote is very important. If true, this opens up all kinds of problems. If it isn’t true, what is Russia going for?”

*******************************************************************

Russia is simply setting up a PRETEXT for their upcoming actions.


10 posted on 04/26/2014 9:38:01 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: tcrlaf

Of course I like to complain, I’m Canadian.

But that’s irrelevant to this issue, if the facts are as you say, you should have no trouble finding some non-Russian media outlet to back up what you say.

So go ahead, I have no preference. Just skip the Russian lies.


11 posted on 04/26/2014 9:42:01 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: tcrlaf

I don’t see the point of posting Russian propaganda.

Did you enjoy reading Pravda during the Cold War?


12 posted on 04/26/2014 9:43:04 PM PDT by Rob the Ugly Dude
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To: tcrlaf

It’s a classic snatch and grab done professionally. Didn’t commit an atrocity, went in cleanly and bagged a prisoner. And left. Don’t know if it was a target or just a target of opportunity.

This was an intelligence mission and the size of it is military strength. You don’t just throw 12 men like that together in a pick-up mission of that sort. That means they’ve worked together a longggg time. This was a message that ups the ante for Putin. “Where willing to do some military action here. How far do you want to go?”. The M16 (being generic) is an odd piece. Can be oversight can be by design for deception or messaging and the subtly is gives Putin a face saving route out, well both sides for that matter. No public commitments yet.

I suspect somebodies digging into the structure of the who ever the defenders are representing. The notation that some of them were unarmed means local conscripts, the armed ones could be a tier above that with perhaps 2 or 3 ‘organizers’. Wonder if they snatched an ‘organizer’, wounded or no?

Bwahahahahaha! You think Obama is this smart!?


13 posted on 04/26/2014 9:54:58 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Rob the Ugly Dude

Actually, I did. It was also part of my training at DLI.

You can’t defeat an enemy whose motivations you don’t understand.

I WANT to know what the Russian position’s are, and I want to know what their leaders are saying, vs. our own.

Unless you would rather take Mr. “If-you-like-your-doctor-you-can-keep-your-doctor”’s word as gospel? In the electronic age, info is now available in almost real time.

Besides, do you see anyone else willing to stand up to the Right-Sector flame trolls on FR?


14 posted on 04/26/2014 9:58:16 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson
Unfortunately they have shown to be the most reliable source recently.

The exact opposite is true, unless you're relying on their own reporting of their reliability to tell you how reliable they are.

16 posted on 04/26/2014 10:01:51 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Usagi_yo

“You think Obama is this smart!?”

Not really, but someone around him maybe, if the many reports of XE/Blackwater/Greystone guys on the ground in Ukraine is true.

There are many videos on Youtube of uniformed people claimed to be “English Speakers”, from Kiev, to the last attack on the Slovyansk roadblock.


17 posted on 04/26/2014 10:02:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Any descriptions or photos of the weapons?


18 posted on 04/26/2014 10:03:29 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We get it, already.

Anything that anyone, anywhere says that is counter to what MaidanPR puts out is “Filthy Paid Russian Propoganda”.
Give it a rest.

If you actually had anything constructive to add to a conversation, or to counter said “propaganda”, I might take you seriously. Until then, you are just a sick troll that shadows the Right-Sector thugs perfectly.
Tell me, do you still want Avakov murdered for killing Sashko?


19 posted on 04/26/2014 10:07:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Ruprecht Jamieson

“Unfortunately they have shown to be the most reliable source recently.”

For near real-time info on what is happening in Ukraine, the three best places I have found are Al-Jezeera’s Live Blog, The Interpreter’s Live Blog, and RT’s blog. They pretty much mirror Twitter reporting.

Of those three, RT is the only one that breaks down individual stories, which is why it gets posted here.

US Media is 2-3 days behind the curve, if they even bother to report anything, at all. Even the Tweets of their own correspondents never end up as a story.


20 posted on 04/26/2014 10:10:31 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Check for cattle mutilations. If present, the helicopters are black. Russians should just pack up and go home before it’s too late. :-)


21 posted on 04/26/2014 10:12:45 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: tcrlaf

“Anything that anyone, anywhere says that is counter to what MaidanPR puts out is “Filthy Paid Russian Propoganda”.”

Everything that RT puts out is absolute propaganda and is recognized as such. Why do you propagandize for Russian foreign policy that is illegally annexing sovereign land and sending in special forces and agents inside a sovereign nation?


22 posted on 04/26/2014 10:13:52 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: tcrlaf
We get it, already.

If you're taking the invader's (Russia's) side, then no, you don't get it.

If you're still spouting the "Right Sector" red herring, then no, you don't get it.

If you still think Russia Today is objective, then no, you just don't get it.


23 posted on 04/26/2014 10:14:23 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

I’m NOT taking Russia’s side, I’m posting the latest news.

I’m trying to understand, to the best of my limited abilities, what is REALLY going on, from the propaganda being thrown around by ALL sides.

That I don’t trust what is coming out of Washington says volumes in itself.


24 posted on 04/26/2014 10:20:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: canuck_conservative

Please link to when I ever said RT was “objective”. Mow you are just making things up.


25 posted on 04/26/2014 10:21:54 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All; Admin Moderator

Of the 25 25 comments on this thread, only THREE, not by me, relate to the contents of the article.


26 posted on 04/26/2014 10:24:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Duh, you posted an article with RT as your source, then you take a quote from that source and assume it’s true (post #1).

That implies you trust RT as a news source.

In #17 and #19 you’re positively defending Russia’s behavior.

So don’t claim innocence now, that you “just want to find out what’s going on”. If you want to apologize for Russia, just admit it.


27 posted on 04/26/2014 10:27:27 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: tcrlaf

“Not really, but someone around him maybe”

Thats true and I was word fiddling trying to squeeze in “Like perhaps he left somebody in the Military that smart”. But I didn’t want to stretch the imagination that far or mainly because I didn’t want to disparage the military.

The thought that a private company could do this freaks me out a bit. Wow, corporate army. Not your ‘Soldier of Fortune’ subscriber types either. But you know, after so many years of war we’re bound to have produced some pretty cold and efficient paramilitary types. Caesars private army. I wonder who funds it. Gotta cost a fortune. What’s funny is they’re probably insured too. Those are the real players. I wonder what will be today’s symbol for the Rubicon. Rise the Illuminati! Rise the Barbarians!

Sorry, was practicing some creative writing.


28 posted on 04/26/2014 10:28:45 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: tcrlaf

“Of the 25 25 comments on this thread, only THREE, not by me, relate to the contents of the article.”

Incorrect statement.

Comments as to the credibility of the source are valid comments regarding the article.

Russia Today is a known propaganda arm of the Russian government.


29 posted on 04/26/2014 10:29:06 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: canuck_conservative

You just skipped this part, then?

“If true, this opens up all kinds of problems. If it isn’t true, what is Russia going for?” in Post#1?


30 posted on 04/26/2014 10:32:10 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Using American weapons doesn’t mean anything.


31 posted on 04/26/2014 10:34:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: tcrlaf

I didn’t skip #17 and #19


32 posted on 04/26/2014 10:35:22 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: tcrlaf

US Weapons?

Probably the B.L.M. or ATF.


33 posted on 04/26/2014 10:37:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: tcrlaf
Take what the media says with a grain of salt, and look at what the Ukrainian people are actually saying. I'd suggest delving in with Google Translate and Chrome, and you'll find that on social media and even on the major Russian-language forums in Ukraine, the people seem to be rather supportive of the Maidan government in resisting Putin's aggression.

The Maidan government is not very popular overall though, but mainly because of the co-opting of the Ukrainian oligarchs and perceived weakness against Putin (and Yulia being the inevitable candidate...again). In other words, it's actually disliked more due to the return of the unpopular Yushchenko elites, not because of the 'neo-Nazi Banderist Svoboda takeover'. Most seem to have sided with the Maidan government for now though, due to the ‘rally around the flag’ effect.

Svoboda seems to be viewed as a small, loud and troublesome faction massively played up by the Russians.

And yes, there is a significant minority (maybe 10-30%) of Russian-speakers in Eastern Ukraine that actually do want Russia to annex the East, but it's clearly a minority and even they are rather ambivalent with the Russian infiltrators and their paid crowds.

The only ones who are not viewing Putin as the aggressor over there are the Russian trolls who admit to coming from there to 'give their side of the story'.

34 posted on 04/26/2014 10:40:10 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Iron Munro

LOL! Yeah, I was thinking when I read that, “Whoa - there aren’t a lot of places you can get U.S. made weapons. Other than Wal-Mart.”


35 posted on 04/26/2014 10:43:47 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I agree. Don’t post from AMERICAN MEDIA propaganda sources. Their goal is to manipulate public opinion for the uninformed and spread lies.


36 posted on 04/26/2014 10:50:29 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Corporate Democrat

“The only ones who are not viewing Putin as the aggressor over there are the Russian trolls”

IMHO, as I have said many times, Obama and the minions, in an attempt to make Russia “pay” for stopping the Syria attack, have unintentionally created conditions that Putin, Machiavellian that he is, couldn’t possibly pass up.

Events in Ukraine didn’t happen in a vacuum, and Russian Intelligence isn’t stupid. They saw what was coming and made contingencies for it.


37 posted on 04/26/2014 11:10:00 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

You’re right , it didn’t happen in a vacuum. Yanukovych made a key election promise to associate Ukraine with the EU. As a Russian, he decided to play the moderate to get elected.

Once he did get elected, he waffled for a few years and then broke that promise in return for 15 billion from Putin. When he reneged, massive outrage ensued quickly leading to protests.

Did Obama force Yanukovych to ditch the EU Association deal?


38 posted on 04/26/2014 11:18:36 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: tcrlaf
Like I said, go look at what they're saying for yourself. He lied, reneged and then tried to wait out the protests for months. When he tried banning protests and restricting free speech, his own Party began to rebel and so he fled.

A huge number of Russian-speaking Ukrainians then turned on him once they saw just how enormous the guy's house was.


39 posted on 04/26/2014 11:26:37 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: tcrlaf

Tell it like it is, tcrlaf. You’ll start posting from other news sources when they start following your beloved Putin.


40 posted on 04/26/2014 11:37:41 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Corporate Democrat
Everyone ended up turning on Yanukovych but a handful of Putinistas on FReeRepublic. And Yanukovych ended up turning on Putin, which Putin's supporters on this site, in their due diligence to keep us all completely and overwhelmingly informed of every favorable Putin twist and turn, have not shared. Now that I share it we can assume that Yanukovych presidency will no longer be the great cause célèbre for Putinistas. Judas had his regrets too, and now Yanukovych is stating his. Whether the Putinista quislings will ever stop supporting a self-serving gangster statesman remains to be seen.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/deposed-ukrainian-president-i-was-wrong-to-ask-russia-for-help-20140402

41 posted on 04/26/2014 11:47:45 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

Why do you continually post RT Russian State propaganda? Are you one of our resident Putinista’s?

Seriously, this is no better than Granma - Cuban state propaganda.


42 posted on 04/27/2014 12:21:42 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: tcrlaf
So, the bumbling community organizer, Barry Soetoro Obozo, and his handler, Valerie Jarrett, sent the ATF thugs to raid a checkpoint in the Donetsk region? What's this? A variation of “Fast and Furious” in the Ukraine and Crimea featuring the Keystone Cops of federal law enforcement, the BATFE?
43 posted on 04/27/2014 12:58:22 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: tcrlaf

“US Weapons” ?
From fast and furious?
From Bengazi?
Or some other secret obammy charade?


44 posted on 04/27/2014 3:10:53 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: rbmillerjr
Russia Today is a known propaganda arm of the Russian government.

Then, by your logic, we should NEVER post an article by ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC... etc.

I thought the idea here on FR was to discuss an article (including it's validity) instead of just outright ignoring it.

Do you have any proof that anything in this article is not true ?

45 posted on 04/27/2014 5:46:07 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: MasterGunner01

So, the bumbling community organizer, Barry Soetoro Obozo, and his handler, Valerie Jarrett, sent the ATF thugs to raid a checkpoint in the Donetsk region


Nope. The kenyan sent airborne infantry to Poland and the former SU. And superman Putin can’t do a damn thing about it but watch.


46 posted on 04/27/2014 8:11:30 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf

RT and other such sources are known propaganda outlets. It is not a matter of opinion, so your outbursts mean nothing. I would also appreciate it if you didn’t start hallucinating and accusing me of declaring that I want someone murdered.


47 posted on 04/27/2014 8:30:56 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: UCANSEE2

We have freedom of the press here, and therefore higher standards, to where the astute might still expose Dan Rather or check the facts. Thete is no press freedom in Russia, and the government openly manipulates them, and beats and murders its opposition. A better question is, why do you excuse Stalin’s media by pointing to MSNBC? And why do you prefer Stalin’s propaganda? The burden of proof for Moscow’s claims is on them and their apologists, not us.


48 posted on 04/27/2014 8:35:31 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Keep on Trollin’!


49 posted on 04/27/2014 8:53:07 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: canuck_conservative; Rob the Ugly Dude; tcrlaf

It is a good post, thanks tcrlaf.

If you don’t like the source, post after it, noting the source is Russian propaganda, but let’s see what they are saying. Knowing what Russia is telling its people lets us know what they may be preparing their population for.

If they post a totally false article saying we murdered 25,000 innocent Russian soldiers, but there is no western source for the story, it is still significant, because it may portend theri inclination towards war.

Of course even with a propaganda source, it is possible they are right.

People who love FR love it because it isn’t CBS news, only giving us what we “need” to know. Here, we see what everyone is saying, and make up our own minds.


50 posted on 04/27/2014 11:06:12 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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