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Russian Su -24 scores off against the American "USS Donald Cook"
Russian Radio ^ | 4-21-2014

Posted on 04/27/2014 5:13:29 AM PDT by Renfield

Russian Sukhoi Su -24 with the newest jamming complex paralyzed in the Black Sea the most modern American combat management system "Aegis" installed on the destroyer "USS Donald Cook". Pavel Zolotarev, Deputy Director, Institute of USA and Canada, shares details about this version which is being actively discussed in the Russian media and by bloggers.

US destroyer "Donald Cook" with cruise missiles "Tomahawk" entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea.

In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, "Aegis" spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. And suddenly all the screens went blank. "Aegis" was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.

Apparently, all efforts to revive the "Aegis" and provide target information for the defence failed. Russia's reaction to military pressure from the United States was profoundly calm, feels the Russian political scientist Pavel Zolotarev:

The demonstration was original enough. A bomber without any weapons, but having onboard equipment for jamming enemy radar, worked against a destroyer equipped with "Aegis", the most modern system of air and missile defence. But this system of mobile location, in this case the ship, has a significant drawback. That is, the target tracking capabilities. They work well when there is a number of these ships which can coordinate with each other somehow. In this case there was just one destroyer. And, apparently, the algorithm of the radar in the "Aegis” system on the destroyer did not load under the influence of jamming by the Su-24. It was therefore not only a nervous reaction to the fact of flying around by the Russin bomber which was common practice during the Cold War. The reaction of the Americans was due to the fact that most modern system, especially its informative or radar part, did not work adequately. Therefore, there was such a nervous reaction to the whole episode.

After the incident, the foreign media reported that "Donald Cook" was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

What are the possible consequences of the incident provoked by the U.S. in the Black Sea? Pavel Zolotarev forecasts:

I think that Americans are somehow going to reflect on improving the system “Aegis". This is a purely military aspect. In political terms, there is hardly any likelihood of demonstrative steps by either side. That is enough. Meanwhile, for Americans it is a very unpleasant moment. In general, the missile defence system which they deploy involves huge expenditures. They have to prove each time that it is necessary to allocate funds from the budget. At the same time, the ground component of the ABM was tested in ideal conditions and showed a low efficiency. This fact is concealed by the Pentagon. The most modern component, the sea-based system "Aegis" also showed its shortcomings in the present case.

The system with which the Russian Su-24 shocked the American destroyer "Donald Cook" has the code name "Khibiny". This is the name of the mountain range on the Kola Peninsula in the Arctic Circle. "Khibiny" is the newest complex for radioelectronic jamming of the enemy. They will be installed on all the advanced Russian planes .

Recently the complex has undergone regular testing exercises on the ground in Buryatia. Apparently, the tests which were conducted under conditions as close to real as possible, were successful.


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I haven't seen a report of this anywhere else. Any of you Navy types know anything about this?
1 posted on 04/27/2014 5:13:29 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

Whoa.


2 posted on 04/27/2014 5:15:13 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Renfield

All your signal are belong to us!


3 posted on 04/27/2014 5:19:45 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: Renfield
all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

LOL! At least Ivan has a sense of humor.

5.56mm

4 posted on 04/27/2014 5:20:08 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Renfield
Consider the source. Sounds like propaganda. The USS Donald Cook.

From the American side:

On 12 April 2014, the USS Donald Cook was "buzzed", 12 times by a Russian Su-24 bomber jet. According to U.S. military officials the crew aboard the Donald Cook made several attempts to radio the Russian warplane asking the pilot what his intentions were and sending warnings to remain at a safe distance, but the Russian pilot did not respond.

According to U.S. sources it appears the plane was not armed.

While American military officials consider the incident provocative they say the encounter ended without incident.

Hardly sounds like they jammed it or anything like that, just a "buzz".

5 posted on 04/27/2014 5:20:41 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Renfield

“After the incident, the foreign media reported that “Donald Cook” was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation.”

I doubt this very much.


6 posted on 04/27/2014 5:21:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Renfield
They saw this aircraft 50+ miles away and could have dropped it like a bad transmission.
BTW - my nephew's on board the Donald Cook - great kid.
7 posted on 04/27/2014 5:21:41 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Renfield

I’d take any Kremlin reports with several pounds of salt right now. (As I would take any White Hut “#” reports.) Popcorn time.


8 posted on 04/27/2014 5:21:50 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: M Kehoe

Thank you. I only read the first two paragraphs before I responded. On second read, I picked that up. As with our own media, one is left having to determine which, if any, elements of truth are in the report...


9 posted on 04/27/2014 5:22:24 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Renfield

As Spock (the alien, not the lousy author of stupid how-raise-your-kids books) said, “Military secrets are the most fleeting.”

If this is true, and I doubt we’d announce that it was, then the trip there was worth it. Depending for your very survival on something that has already been countered is a need-to-know intel tidbit.


10 posted on 04/27/2014 5:22:41 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Renfield
I haven't seen a report of this anywhere else. Any of you Navy types know anything about this?

Probably because it's fantasy.

11 posted on 04/27/2014 5:23:20 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Renfield
Two things stand out in this report: 1) The Russians have revealed their capability in this regard. 2) The U.S. has revealed that the Russians were effective.

One would hope that the U.S. does have countermeasures and is only letting the Russians think they were effective via this press release, but with MomJeans destroying our military, the probability is that we are sitting ducks.

12 posted on 04/27/2014 5:23:31 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Renfield

After the incident, the foreign media reported that “Donald Cook” was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

I don’t buy this for a second. A crew of 27 on an Aegis destroyer? And they ‘resigned’? C’mon. I understand that this is the millenial Navy but I ain’t buying this.


13 posted on 04/27/2014 5:24:32 AM PDT by xvq2er
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To: Renfield
Several points. How would they know the reaction of the DDGs crew? How would they know the screens went blank? Considerable levels of hyperbole in that report. It is possible to jam radars, but an aircraft-borne radar (on a single plane) jamming something like an AEGIS system is not at all easy. That would have to be a powerful transmitter to burn through the AN/SPY1, and if the plane had disabled the AEGIS that could technically be considered an act of war. For decades NATO and the Warsaw Pact would play all sorts of games, games that apparently still continue to this day, but there were certain lines in the sand that were not to be crossed (with the exception of accidental and 'accidental' submarine collisions). A plane doing an aggressive run towards a ship, and disabling its radar and fire control systems, is not a line that is to be crossed.

Anyways, I think the real story is the Fencer flew towards the DDG, was obviously not armed, and like several times in the past was allowed to do its maneuvers. There was no jamming of the AN-SPY1, no plasma stealth or other make-believe technologies, and it was another silly game.

14 posted on 04/27/2014 5:40:46 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: UCANSEE2

“There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation.”

Well, since there are 281 crewmembers, I think we can bin this account right now.


15 posted on 04/27/2014 5:43:49 AM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Renfield

Baghdad Bob has finally obviously come out of retirement to personally take charge of Russia’s Ministry of Communications and Mass Media.


16 posted on 04/27/2014 5:44:08 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Renfield

Why do the Russians do this?

They exaggerate their capabilities, which in turn results in the U.S. bolstering its actual military development to counter something that was grossly over rated in the first place, thus putting the Russians even further behind.

Of course with this administration, things are very different!


17 posted on 04/27/2014 5:45:16 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Renfield

If this is true, it’s not surprising. Aegis is 80s technology and our government in it’s belief that no one is going to develop anything to defeat it has done nothing to replace it. As far as the Montreaux Convention, war ships are required to file a declaration with Turkey 21 days in advance and normally can stay in the Black Sea for 21 days. Turkey can waive this 21 day limit for a longer stay if they like since they are in control of the strait. The Cook has been there 17 days. Mass resignations is not unheard of. My daughter knows of a recent incident where that happened.


18 posted on 04/27/2014 5:47:01 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (You think you know me. You don't.)
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To: Sooth2222

Looks like Soviet Pravda and Izvestia are back in business.


19 posted on 04/27/2014 5:48:58 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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To: Renfield

Aegis is obsolescent, but the Soviets are doing us a favor if they show us their countermeasures prior to combat. The Navy does have a high priority program to develop a more modern radar system, if Obama doesn’t scuttle it.


20 posted on 04/27/2014 5:51:01 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Renfield
After the incident, the foreign media reported that "Donald Cook" was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

The is pure propaganda BS. Classic Soviet era BS.

21 posted on 04/27/2014 5:52:17 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
the Soviets are doing us a favor if they show us their countermeasures prior to combat.

I agree. It would be stupid to show you cards like this. Sounds like propaganda.

22 posted on 04/27/2014 5:53:18 AM PDT by McGruff (Clinton had his Kosovo, Obama has his Ukraine.)
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To: Renfield

Must be a Russian version of the Onion.


23 posted on 04/27/2014 5:56:23 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Renfield

One SU-24 with an EW pod did not shut down Aegis. Ridiculous.


24 posted on 04/27/2014 5:58:54 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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One SU-24 with an EW pod did not shut down Aegis. Ridiculous

The Su-24 would have to be more EW hardened than the ship (or the avionics might not function). Is that possible?

25 posted on 04/27/2014 6:02:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Renfield

The only serious point, which isn’t even made here, is that the US Navy would have a very hard time conducting war time operations in the Black Sea.

The USN is centered on carrier strike groups and they aren’t going in there. US DDGs are not battle cruisers and they would be very exposed to massed missile attacks, without a long enough reach to do anything but play defense.


26 posted on 04/27/2014 6:08:51 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

How about “the Russians have now admitted to committing an act of war against the US” ?


27 posted on 04/27/2014 6:09:53 AM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Renfield
Naval anti-buzzing device:


28 posted on 04/27/2014 6:14:34 AM PDT by fso301
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To: PLMerite

Plus enlisted members of the crew can not resign. Junior officers (less then 6 years of service) can not resign either.


29 posted on 04/27/2014 6:18:56 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Renfield

The Cold War ENDED almost 25 years ago and WE WON!!!

No need for further military R&D. Now let’s move on and show that we can bomb Botswana into submission.


30 posted on 04/27/2014 6:21:51 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Renfield

Just a dumb old grunt here, but I call BS on this article.

And how in hell can a military person RESIGN from active duty? Hey Top, I resign. Yeah. Sure. LMAO


31 posted on 04/27/2014 6:22:46 AM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: ricmc2175

True. Use of EW measures preemptively against a US warship could certainly be considered a hostile act.


32 posted on 04/27/2014 6:30:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kozak
Looks like Soviet Pravda and Izvestia are back in business.

In the past Pravda and Izvestia were models of leftist propaganda and disinformation. Now, they take lessons from the New York Times! /S

33 posted on 04/27/2014 6:32:39 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Renfield

The truth can be verified by the DOD and told to the public.

However, since the election of the “Communist in Chief”, NOTHING CAN BE BELIEVED from the government...PERIOD!

Now we find ourselves in a real fix since all statements from the government (on all levels from local to national) are first, assumed to be a lie unless proven otherwise.

This is just how far down the sh.t hole we have come.


34 posted on 04/27/2014 6:35:30 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Renfield
Is boolshiite.

Part is not boolshiite which is that any USN units operating in Black Sea are toasted blini in the event of hostility. Don't call it "BLACK SEA," Call it "Lake Russki."

SU-24? Is Russki A-10 equivalent, only faster. In fact, look like the losing Lockheed entry in the A-10 competition of yesteryear.

35 posted on 04/27/2014 6:42:25 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((GOP) ..... GIVE OBAMA POWER)
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To: Renfield

It looks like a classic EMP attack.


36 posted on 04/27/2014 6:44:32 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Kenny Bunk

The su24 is more like the F111. i think you are confusing with SU25


37 posted on 04/27/2014 6:46:21 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Renfield

Why do I think this is BS?


38 posted on 04/27/2014 6:46:28 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: lavaroise

You really need to study what EMP is and not listen to the press hype.


39 posted on 04/27/2014 6:48:58 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: PLMerite

Obviously this is a typo and they meant to say
287, also that the crew asked to join the Russian
navy for protection...


40 posted on 04/27/2014 6:49:14 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: lavaroise; Renfield
.....su24 is more like the F111. i think you are confusing with SU25....

I am so embarrassed that I am resigning from the crew of the "Donald Cook!" If we have a destroyer named "Donald Duck," I will immediately re-enlist and volunteer for Black Sea duty.

Renfield, internalize what LaV said.

41 posted on 04/27/2014 6:57:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((GOP) ..... GIVE OBAMA POWER)
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To: Smokin' Joe

True. Use of EW measures preemptively against a US warship is an act of war. There, fixed it.


42 posted on 04/27/2014 7:01:40 AM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Renfield

Hard to believe........but would not be surprised by our diminishing sea power under our current commie/socialist administration. They’ve cut the military, brought in women and homosexuals to help run fighting ships.....we’re in deep do do.


43 posted on 04/27/2014 7:03:42 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: Renfield

Considering that Russia a few months ago trumpeted that the Ukrainian Navy’s flagship had defected while it was returning from exercises with NATO, tells you something. The ship docked at Odessa rather than sailing to Sevastopol and surrendering.

The Russian flight was a PR gimmick. The news and story line plays well in Moscow and it’s music to the ears of pro Russkis everywhere.


44 posted on 04/27/2014 7:06:38 AM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: Renfield

I call bullshit.


45 posted on 04/27/2014 7:10:02 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Renfield

I’m quite sure a lot military software is garbage.


46 posted on 04/27/2014 7:10:22 AM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: Zhang Fei
"Baghdad Bob has finally obviously come out of retirement to personally take charge of Russia’s Ministry of Communications and Mass Media."

LOL! Dang, I miss that joker: "We have them surrounded in their tanks. We have beaten them with our shoes, and we will roast their stomachs in Hell!"
47 posted on 04/27/2014 7:10:35 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Sirius Lee

>>2) The U.S. has revealed that the Russians were effective.

Where and how?

Links please.


48 posted on 04/27/2014 7:19:52 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3149167/posts


49 posted on 04/27/2014 7:21:52 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Renfield

While this article is likely BS, we know the Russians, and the Chinese, have been working on countermeasures for US tech for years now.

GPS spoofers we already know about. Sat attack systems and Drone communications scramblers have been publicly talked about, while EMP bursters have been rumored for over a decade now.

Who knows what else is in the pipeline, especially with Chinese cooperation.

We can’t expect our opponents are going to sit idly by while we go stagnant.


50 posted on 04/27/2014 7:48:08 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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