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More renounce US citizenship but deny stereotype
Yahoo News (AP) ^ | April 27, 2014 | ADAM GELLER

Posted on 04/27/2014 8:08:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

Inside the long-awaited package, six pages of government paperwork dryly affirmed Carol Tapanila's anxious request. But when Tapanila slipped the contents from the brown envelope, she saw there was something more.

"We the people...." declared the script inside her U.S. passport — now with four holes punched through it from cover to cover. Her departure from life as an American was stamped final on the same page: "Bearer Expatriated Self."

With the envelope's arrival, Tapanila, a native of upstate New York who has lived in Canada since 1969, joined a largely overlooked surge of Americans rejecting what is, to millions, a highly sought prize: U.S. citizenship. Last year, the U.S. government reported a record 2,999 people renounced citizenship or terminated permanent residency; most are widely assumed to be driven by a desire to avoid paying taxes on hidden wealth.

The reality, though, is more complicated. The government's pursuit of tax evaders among Americans living abroad is indeed driving the jump in abandoned citizenship, experts say. But renouncers — whose ranks have swelled more than five-fold from a decade ago — often contradict the stereotype of the financial scoundrel. Many are from very ordinary economic circumstances.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: citizenship; expatgraph; expats; feet; panama; vote
Leaving the lawless, socialist mob rule, society.
1 posted on 04/27/2014 8:08:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

If a “Decent States of America” was established by means of the secession of today’s “red states” I’d renounce my citizenship in the “United States” in a heartbeat.And it wouldn’t have anything to do with taxes either.


2 posted on 04/27/2014 8:14:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Navy Patriot

Producers leaving, takers arriving.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 8:14:56 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Gay State Conservative

The United States has the best government money can buy.


4 posted on 04/27/2014 8:25:35 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: skeeter
"...takers arriving."

Illegally and in the hospital maternity wards!

5 posted on 04/27/2014 8:27:58 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Navy Patriot

America (badly) needs to bring back American industry and American jobs.

Both parties are currently sold out, to our own number one geopolitical rival in the coming years: China.

China is now the second largest country in military spending in the entire world.

We currently run a MASSIVE trade deficit with China.

This is not sustainable. Bring back American jobs. Now.


6 posted on 04/27/2014 8:28:58 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I’d renounce my citizenship in the “United States” in a heartbeat.

Not me. Let the rest of 'em find a new name, they abandoned the principles already.

7 posted on 04/27/2014 8:31:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Funny the NS Slimes’ try to make it that they’re a bunch of tex evaders when the country is composed of half the population who don’t pay taxes and a massive influc of immigrants who bring their backwards culture into the fold.


8 posted on 04/27/2014 8:31:55 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Navy Patriot
Canada is no bastion of individual freedom - a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. America is truly the world's last hope. This graphic says it all for me (sorry don't know source):  photo bloodofpatriots_zpsc32d5d82.jpg
9 posted on 04/27/2014 8:33:20 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Navy Patriot

Their numbers are too few to indicate a trend. It’s a human interest story, for now.


10 posted on 04/27/2014 8:33:29 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Navy Patriot
More renounce US citizenship but deny stereotype

For a moment there I almost spilled my kauphy. I read it as MOORE BTW that is a correct spelling in the government method of anything goes as long as you try teaching system.

11 posted on 04/27/2014 8:34:22 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: skeeter

What are the advantages of citizenship anymore?


12 posted on 04/27/2014 8:40:08 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Navy Patriot

13 posted on 04/27/2014 8:41:53 AM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: Prospero

It’s a human interest story, for now.

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Until some countries figure out they can atrract a lot of talented Americans by offering powerful incentives. Panama comes to mind.


14 posted on 04/27/2014 8:43:01 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Smokin' Joe

And when things go south wherever they ran away to, they’ll want to come back and should be met with a locked door.

I know a couple who live in Honduras part time. While its great, they know better than to buy into the fantasy that its where they want to be when it all goes to hell. The wealthy gringos will be the first target of an angry population.


15 posted on 04/27/2014 8:45:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Not me. Let the rest of 'em find a new name, they abandoned the principles already.

So given the choice of living in a nation consisting of NC,GA,TN,TX,WY,etc,etc...or one consisting of NY,MA,CA,VT,MI,WA,etc....you'd live in the one whose capital might be San Francisco?

Yikes!

16 posted on 04/27/2014 8:45:50 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: cripplecreek
And when things go south wherever they ran away to, they’ll want to come back and should be met with a locked door.

Things are gonna go south here a *lot* faster...a *lot* earlier...than they will in Canada,Switzerland,Australia,etc.

17 posted on 04/27/2014 8:48:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: cripplecreek

The wealthy gringos will be the first target of an angry population.

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Only here they will be called the Greedy One Percent instead of gringos. ;)


18 posted on 04/27/2014 8:50:13 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard
Only here they will be called the Greedy One Percent instead of gringos. ;)

Who aren't cowards.
19 posted on 04/27/2014 8:52:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Eff That! Where did you get that idea? Take from the western divide to the Eastern Divide, from the Hudson’s Bay to the Bay of Campeche and call it America. Lat the rest find a new name.


20 posted on 04/27/2014 9:01:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Navy Patriot

When I first saw this headline I misread it thinking that Michael Moore had renounced his US citizenship.

Another example of wishful thinking on my part.


21 posted on 04/27/2014 9:05:58 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito
When I first saw this headline I misread it thinking that Michael Moore had renounced his US citizenship.

Another example of wishful thinking on my part.

Happens to me a lot.

22 posted on 04/27/2014 9:11:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Canada’s government had to stand up to the U.S. government for it hounding dual citizens to pay U.S. taxes - including the minor children of dual citizens and asking them to pay taxes on their education savings accounts.


23 posted on 04/27/2014 10:31:26 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Starboard

Panama has attracted me and other FReepers as permanent residents. I’ve still got three years to go before applying for citizenship. Not sure whether will keep U.S. citizenship at that point.

Not perfect but better than any blue state. Think U.S. pre-1960.


24 posted on 04/27/2014 10:41:39 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: tbw2
Canada’s government had to stand up to the U.S. government for it hounding dual citizens to pay U.S. taxes - including the minor children of dual citizens and asking them to pay taxes on their education savings accounts.

I don't understand what you're saying.Canada has no say in US laws regarding its citizens any more than we have a say over Canada when dealing with their citizens.Of course Canada isn't going to assist the IRS n a situation like that nor are they gonna let IRS agents into Canada to enforce such laws.The US is basically the only "civilized" nation on earth that taxes its citizens *regardless* of the source of income or the country in which they're living when its earned.Stupid ain't the word for that.Actually,criminal might be the word.But it's none of Canada's business to support *or* oppose these laws.

25 posted on 04/27/2014 10:57:34 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: peyton randolph
Panama has attracted me and other FReepers as permanent residents. I’ve still got three years to go before applying for citizenship.

I've never been to Panama but I *have* been to Brazil...twice.Unless Panama is 1000 light years more civilized...more stable...than Brazil you couldn't pay me enough to live there.

26 posted on 04/27/2014 11:01:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: skeeter

It might be a good idea for productive US parents to have their children born in another country that allows the child to become a citizen by virtue of birth. I don’t think that hedging bets is such a bad idea these days when the economic Berlin Wall is getting higher and higher, and when it appears that conservatives and constitutionalists are becoming the new 1930s German Jews.
I don’t think that many other nations allow birth in the country as a sufficient sole requirement for citizen status; Canada perhaps?


27 posted on 04/27/2014 11:44:37 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Sioux-san
It's kinda like the guy at the Sasquatch Music Festival. It only takes one to start it.
28 posted on 04/27/2014 12:06:14 PM PDT by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: Gay State Conservative

With the U.S. presence there since circa 1903, Panama is a true melting pot without the “gringo go home” attitude you find in many Latin America countries.

Panama’s economy is growing at 10-11% per year.

The first subway in Latin America just opened in Panama City. The city is about the size of the Dallas metro area if you like that type of thing. I personally prefer the rural areas but that’s me.

Not perfect but better than any of the other Latin American countries (and others) I looked at as an alternative. Factors included political stabilility, capitalism, number of expats, attitudes toward expats, cost of living, flights, and climate. It’s also the easiest country right now for getting permanent residency either as a retiree (pensionado visa) or as an investor (a 416 visa). The 416 visa ultimately lets one apply for citizenship if wanted after 5 years. The pensionado does not.


29 posted on 04/27/2014 12:08:35 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: skeeter

Yep. On the current path, the Untied States will eventually experience a brain drain. Especially if one was young and accomplished, what would you see here for the future?

Just watched a rerun of ‘Space Cowboys’ today. Bittersweet, the references to a pre-”NWO” United States.


30 posted on 04/27/2014 12:23:21 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: Navy Patriot
Americans rejecting what is, to millions, a highly sought prize: U.S. citizenship.

Millions?!? Try billions. Almost every Chinese, Indian, Indonesian, Bangladeshi... there's 3 billion right there... If only 1/3 of those living in those impoverished nations wanted the be here, there's a billion already.

31 posted on 04/27/2014 12:23:42 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Psalm 144

“Untied States” lol.


32 posted on 04/27/2014 12:26:23 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: peyton randolph

Panama has attracted me and other FReepers as permanent residents.

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Panama attracted one the of most brilliant and productive technologists I have ever had the privilege of working with. He also served his country with great distinction in several areas. In short, the kind of person who is a credit to his country and an asset to society.

The fact that someone of this caliber would find life outside the U.S. appealing speakes volumes about the sad state of the country and the misguided direction we’re heading in.

Good luck in your newfound home. I may join you soon.


33 posted on 04/27/2014 1:36:35 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Navy Patriot

The US is much less of a special place.


34 posted on 04/27/2014 2:09:50 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: Navy Patriot
... Last year, the U.S. government reported a record 2,999 people renounced citizenship or terminated permanent residency ...

2999 isn't much, even if it is a "record number".

Too small really to be an indication of anything in particular.

35 posted on 04/27/2014 2:48:58 PM PDT by Salman
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