Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hell Freezes Over: Paul Krugman, Bill Kristol Agree That Cliven Bundy’s A Law-Breaking Jerk
The Daily Caller ^ | April 27, 2014 | Brendan Bordelon

Posted on 04/27/2014 12:32:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman are undoubtedly on opposite sides of America’s political spectrum. But the conservative commentator and liberal economist came to a rare point of agreement on Sunday: regardless of his comments on race, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s law-breaking stand against the federal government is inexcusable.

Kristol and Krugman appeared on ABC’s “This Week” to discuss Cliven Bundy’s racially insensitive comments published earlier this week. Once seen as a right-wing folk hero for his stand against the Bureau of Land Management’s push to reclaim grazing fees he owed the Feds, Republican politicians dropped Bundy like a hot potato once the remarks surfaced.

But Krugman was disappointed that Bundy’s racist musings distracted from his larger anti-government message. “I think the Cliven Bundy thing actually is awful, because we should be talking about the message, not the man,” he explained. “Which is really a terrible message, which is you have the right to use other people’s property — namely, federal grazing land — for free.”

“Freedom is the right to not pay for the damage you do,” Krugman bemoaned. “It’s really a horrifying thing he was ever made a hero even before these comments came out.”

“I am horrified to agree with Paul Krugman,” Kristol joked....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bunkerville; kristol; krugman
Now we know Bundy must be right. LOL
1 posted on 04/27/2014 12:32:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the two idiots are both wrong. Those two are the real jerks.


2 posted on 04/27/2014 12:36:18 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kristol has always been a totalitarian jerkoff. No suprise here.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 12:37:54 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mulligan

Cliven Bundy bump.

:D


4 posted on 04/27/2014 12:38:00 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kristol also thought Obama would be a great president, big surprise. It would be surprising if he stood up for Bundy.

Pray America wakes up


5 posted on 04/27/2014 12:39:08 PM PDT by bray (The Republic of Texas 2022 is here)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Poor old Bundy. Oh, Al.

They know what he meant but are to afraid to agree with him on the meaning of what he said.


6 posted on 04/27/2014 12:40:06 PM PDT by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think I've probably read my last article on Cliven Bundy. He's been thoroughly Alinsky'd and way too many conservatives have been sucked right in. In a word, it's sickening.
7 posted on 04/27/2014 12:41:33 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Law breaking jerks, hmmm. Bill Clinton, Timothy Geithner, Al Sharpton, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Charlie Rangel, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Rod Blagojevich, Robert Torricelli, Jesse Jackson Jr., Lois Lerner... that description gives a long list.


8 posted on 04/27/2014 12:43:25 PM PDT by fhayek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

This should teach all of us that there is no political solution to our problem.


9 posted on 04/27/2014 12:44:03 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Neither Kristol or Klugman have touched the base issue.

Does The Sovereign State of Nevada has all that land, which it claimed when Nevada sought statehood, or has the federal government gone beyond the 10th Amendment, and arbitrarily SEIZED all that land, without recompense, to The State of Nevada.


10 posted on 04/27/2014 12:51:26 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
I saw it. They both think of Bundy as a guy who just didn't want to pay his taxes so he could ranch. They never even mentioned the bogus turtle thing, Reid's dirty dealings, or the issue of historic grazing rights on federal lands, or if they should even be federal lands. Krugman thinks the feds SHOULD own the property, for our own good, of course.

What's the surprise? They're both globalists, with Kristol speaking about the parts of our lives and the economy that are and should be in the control of corporations and global entities and Krugman speaking for the parts of our lives and the economy that are and should be controlled by government.

99% of the population should be disgusted by now.

11 posted on 04/27/2014 12:51:35 PM PDT by grania
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Despite their pretensions of intellectualism, both are cultural inbreds with no expertise or understanding in this matter whatsoever.

They are east coast city boy dip$hits opining on the west’s free range cattle culture tradition and current issues. In other words....ignorant and ignorant of their ignorance. As hopeless as they are useless.


12 posted on 04/27/2014 12:51:54 PM PDT by Lowell1775
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thank goodness Cliven Bundy has been put in his place and
the Federal government is no longer overbearing and violent.
We can all go home now and beat our Glocks into garden trowels.
13 posted on 04/27/2014 12:51:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bundy replaces Zimmerman as current target.


14 posted on 04/27/2014 12:53:59 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kristol and Krugman. To quote the old “Frasier” TV show, “Does it matter? You get the one, you get that other one. Personally I think the whole arrangement is a little—”.


15 posted on 04/27/2014 12:57:47 PM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two statists prefer tyranny to freedom. Why is that supposed to be surprising?
Oh yeah, because the Republicans and Democrats want us to think they are different.


16 posted on 04/27/2014 12:59:06 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mulligan
Think again.

Behind on your federal taxes? Expecting to use your usual route home? Think again.

You have the right to use other people’s property — namely, federal government's? Think again! PSA

17 posted on 04/27/2014 1:00:17 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Cliven Bundy Delenda Est
18 posted on 04/27/2014 1:02:48 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

I agree, just shame shame shame on Hannity, Kristol and others….they’ve stepped in deep do do……whatever the deal is with Bundy, this is not about Bundy. It’s about an out of control government and the absurdly big and powerful BLM.


19 posted on 04/27/2014 1:04:01 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

DC is usually solid. Surprised to see them label Kristol as conservative. Neocons are the greatest state worshippers of all.

Naturally, they abhor any rebellion against our “national greatness”.

The whole thing is not about Mr. Bundy. It’s about the BLM’s SWAT tactics and attack dogs. Randy Weaver was a total dirtball. Ruby Ridge was not about him. It was about the Gestapo murdering Americans.


20 posted on 04/27/2014 1:06:06 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kristol and Krugman agree: original tea party patriots were law breaking jerks.


21 posted on 04/27/2014 1:10:01 PM PDT by bolobaby
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who is surprised that puppet masters resent the disruption of their puppet show?

Bundy and the people who protected his life are off script.


22 posted on 04/27/2014 1:17:51 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

So two unlimited government guys agreed on government omnipotence. Why would that make Hell freeze over?


23 posted on 04/27/2014 1:19:03 PM PDT by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)


24 posted on 04/27/2014 1:20:54 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Forgotten Amendments

You don’t think our nation is great? Did I waste time serving in the Army then? Was I wrong to help veterans find work for 15 years?


25 posted on 04/27/2014 1:22:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

“National Greatness” was the big rallying cry for the neocons and McCainiacs back in the ‘90s. It’s not about liberty. Their idea of greatness is empire and subservience. Literally. Kristol himself says, “You cannot love your country and hate your government.”

They are pretty close to fascists. Hopefully, their power is waning.


26 posted on 04/27/2014 1:30:13 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two Tories.

The lines are being drawn. Only 1/3 of the colonists were in favor of the original freedom movement, circa 1775.


27 posted on 04/27/2014 1:30:28 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

My feelings exactly...The Weakly Standard is OK, but they are part of Mainstream Republicanism.


28 posted on 04/27/2014 1:32:45 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bundy's racial feelings and his stance on fees is a distraction here.

REAL PROBLEM--BLM overreach.Facts:

Govt. claims Bundy owes 1 mil n grazing fees.

To collect they send 200 militarized troops with many vehicles and guns, including scopes for sniper fire to terrorize American civilians they claim owe the govt. money.

To send troops, BLM spends upward of 10 mil taxpayer dollars.

The real problem is EPA has closed said grazing lands to grazing, hunting, traffic of any kind, to protect a tortoise that is presently overpopulated by 1,000, and which has managed this overpopulation while living with cattle.

Deal of special interest including Harry Reid, his son, and Chinese investors have evidently persuaded EPA to arbitrarily move boundaries to accommodate Reid and son's special interest.

This whole deal stinks worse than the Los Angeles garbage dump.

Bundy's clumsy verbal expressions and lack of fee payment doesn't even register on the scale.

vaudine

29 posted on 04/27/2014 1:34:25 PM PDT by vaudine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bill Kristol: Obama Has Turned Around The Financial Meltdown ‘Pretty Well’

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/23/894341/bill-kristol-obama-has-turned-around-the-financial-meltdown-pretty-well/


30 posted on 04/27/2014 1:35:09 PM PDT by lowbridge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mulligan

Yes Sir! I agree. I THINK I listened to all of Bundy’s videos in controversy and I heard zero racism! The man was making REAL points about the black family today in poor neighborhoods and those same points are made every day on media all over the country by slick, smooth talking, pro “strategists” who know not to use the word “Negro” in front of a camera.

Bundy’s comments about the Mexican family are correct as well. They ARE hard working and they ARE generally very strong in terms of having and maintaining a strong and cohesive family.

I lost any faith in that smug, arrogant Kristol a long time ago and Krugman is beneath me to comment on.


31 posted on 04/27/2014 1:40:56 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
But the conservative commentator ...

Mr. Kristol is just another "conservative" commentator who has evidently not really studied the Constitution and its history, and is therefore clueless about possible major constitutional problems with the federal property in question. There are many such "conservative" commentators and they do more harm than good, imo, because they haven't done their constitutional homework.

32 posted on 04/27/2014 1:46:37 PM PDT by Amendment10
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Forgotten Amendments
They are pretty close to fascists. "Pretty close to"?
33 posted on 04/27/2014 7:37:03 PM PDT by Flame Retardant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Lowell1775

Or as Cliven would say, “Let me tell you about the Jew.”


34 posted on 04/27/2014 8:21:30 PM PDT by Lisbon1940
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: mulligan

I got over Bill Kristol along with Karl Rove a few years back.


35 posted on 04/27/2014 8:57:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
...Cliven Bundy’s A Law-Breaking Jerk

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson

36 posted on 04/28/2014 8:07:02 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Was there ever any doubt about Krudman or Kristhole are?
.


37 posted on 04/28/2014 8:09:13 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Forgotten Amendments

“Randy Weaver was a total dirtball.”

Perhaps he was; I won’t judge him. I followed the story closely at the time since it was only one state over from me.

What I do know is that he was the victim of government entrapment. He was a man who wanted to be left alone and for that the Feds murdered his family. No citizen, dirtball or otherwise, deserves that treatment. A government that uses brute force and murder to get what it wants when the legal avenues are a hindrance is not legitimate.

Mr. Bundy would like to be left alone, too, but that is no longer permitted. I have no doubt that another Ruby Ridge was the plan until word got out.


38 posted on 04/28/2014 10:42:47 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

That was my point.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 3:27:49 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson