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Curtis Reeves appeals denial of bail in Pasco movie shooting
Tampa Bay Times ^ | April 25, 2014 | Lisa Buie, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 04/27/2014 12:37:05 PM PDT by FBD

A lawyer on Reeves' defense team filed the petition this week asking the 2nd District Court of Appeal to allow Reeves to be released until trial on second-degree murder and aggravated battery charges.

"Because (Reeves) has wrongfully been denied pretrial release, he is being illegally detained," attorney Frances Martinez wrote.Reeves, 71, has been in the Pasco County jail since Jan. 13, when authorities say he shot fellow theater patron Chad Oulson, 43, of Land O'Lakes at the Grove Cobb Theatre in Wesley Chapel.The bullet hit Oulson in the chest and grazed the left ring finger of his wife, Nicole.

Authorities say the shooting happened after Reeves became irritated over Oulson's refusal to stop texting his 2-year-old daughter's caregiver during movie previews. Reeves left briefly to complain to management, then returned. Moments later, witnesses said they saw popcorn fly and heard a shot. They gave varying accounts at Reeves' bail hearing in February.

Because of those conflicting stories, prosecutors did not meet their legal burden to keep Reeves in jail, his attorneys argued. They also argue that prosecutors had to refute Reeves' claim he acted in self-defense, which is also required to deny bail.Curtis Reeves Jr., the retired Tampa police captain arrested in a fatal movie theater shooting during an argument over texting, is asking an appeals court to overturn a judge's ruling denying bail and free him from jail.

(Excerpt) Read more at tampabay.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: chadoulson; curtisreeves; donutwatch; reeves
It seems that the Judge believes Reeves may be a threat to society, and should be kept behind bars until his trial.
1 posted on 04/27/2014 12:37:05 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Uncle Chip; null and void; DariusBane

Curtis Reeves (Florida theater movie shooter) update


2 posted on 04/27/2014 12:39:07 PM PDT by FBD
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To: sport; dmz; Georgia Girl 2

Curtis Reeves update.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 12:46:16 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

Shooting an unarmed guy who’s holding a box of popcorn could definitely hint at that...


4 posted on 04/27/2014 12:47:02 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

Oftentimes these cases are forgotten after the initial incident. It would be nice to follow this one all the way through trial and verdict.


5 posted on 04/27/2014 12:49:05 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/pretial-set-for-this-morning-in-movie-theater-shooting-case/2169793

A very different take on the event.


6 posted on 04/27/2014 12:56:41 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: FBD

I bet if Reeves is released on bail he’ll shoot his wife and then himself.


7 posted on 04/27/2014 12:56:59 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: windcliff

Reeves remains confident he will win:

“Like I told everybody, I’ve spent 71 years doing the right thing and this guy just … anyway,” he said before trailing off.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/movie-theater-shooting-suspect-confident-of-prevailing-in-trial/2174450


8 posted on 04/27/2014 1:06:11 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

Thanks for the ping.


9 posted on 04/27/2014 1:07:20 PM PDT by sport
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To: FBD

So do I.


10 posted on 04/27/2014 1:07:48 PM PDT by sport
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To: windcliff

I bet if Reeves is released on bail he’ll shoot his wife and then himself.
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It wouldn’t surprise me. This guy should NEVER again see the light of day.


11 posted on 04/27/2014 1:09:22 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: sport

I agree with you. His next hearing is July 9th.
This is going to drag out for a long time, I suspect.


12 posted on 04/27/2014 1:11:15 PM PDT by FBD
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Thanks for the link. Article reports that Reeves claimed he was punched, and yet no visible marks were reported by the arresting deputy on Reeves face after the shooting.


13 posted on 04/27/2014 1:13:21 PM PDT by FBD
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To: House Atreides

There’s a group of people here, who still think that Reeves was justified in shooting Oulson. I suspect their support will vanish after a guilty verdict.


14 posted on 04/27/2014 1:15:40 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD
They also argue that prosecutors had to refute Reeves' claim he acted in self-defense, which is also required to deny bail.

Last time I looked, shooting someone for throwing popcorn at you is not a valid self defense argument...

But hey, he's a LEO and he gets to make up the law as he sees fit.../ S

15 posted on 04/27/2014 1:17:07 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FBD

Initially his lawyer claimed that he wanted a speedy trial to be held within a couple of months. He has obviously changed his mind and wants to drag this thing out as long as possible and hence his appeal of the no bail ruling.


16 posted on 04/27/2014 1:18:01 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: FBD

People are presumed innocent. Isn’t the issue of bail whether a person is a flight risk?


17 posted on 04/27/2014 1:22:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Exactly. There’s no desire for a speedy trial by guilty people. If they wait long enough, witnesses die, their stories change, memories fade. Reeves attorneys will drag this trial out as long as they can.


18 posted on 04/27/2014 1:24:13 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

“It seems that the Judge believes Reeves may be a threat to society, and should be kept behind bars until his trial. “

Or that he has very little to lose by running. 71, murder charges, do the math. I wonder if the judge also realizes his fellow cops won’t be that eager to catch him if he ran.

An interesting thing my father noticed when he was arrested. You had an old man, handcuffed in the front, being ‘lead’ by a cop several feet away. Would anyone else under such serious charges be treated so kindly?


19 posted on 04/27/2014 1:33:12 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: FBD

I don’t have, and I suspect no one else has, enough information to come to a definitive, firm conclusion about this tragedy. And, apparently, some of the independent eye witnesses just disappeared.

I do think however that there would be no way on god’s green earth that I would shoot a man for running his mouth at me or punching me. Now, if the decease had a weapon, and had threatened me, or my wife, that’s “a horse of a different color”.

Doesn’t look good for the old man, and that is sad, but he did take another man’s life for what looks like unjustified reasons.


20 posted on 04/27/2014 1:33:40 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Moonman62

Some suspects are held in jail, if they’re believed to be a danger to society, yes? There’s no argument that Reeves shot two people in a movie theater, and afterwards reportedly said: “That will teach you to throw popcorn at me.”

-that’s not someone who should probably be running around free, until after he gets a trial. That’s what the judge thinks, anyway? But I suspect he won’t be free, after his trial.


21 posted on 04/27/2014 1:34:40 PM PDT by FBD
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I’m not sure what different take you are getting. Or is it this?
“In an interview with a Pasco sheriff’s detective after the shooting, Reeves said he was scared for his life after Oulson came over the seat and punched him in the face, setting up a possible self-defense claim.”

If so, cops know the magic words to say to save their butts.


22 posted on 04/27/2014 1:38:40 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: FBD

“Reeves’ attorney Dino Michaels told reporters after the hearing that Reeves is holding up “the best he can” in jail.”

My heart bleeds for him. By a show of hands, or flames, how many are more concerned with how the widow and child are holding up, than they are by this animal.

“For a 71-year-old guy who’s never been in trouble before, (and has) always been a pillar of his community, he’s not in the best of health,” Michaels said. “He has strong faith.””

Who decided he is a pillar of the community? Until this, I’d never even heard of him. And I live in the area. And people worked with him after he left LE have a different view of his character. Some apparently aren’t surprised.

“He has strong faith.”
Faith, if true, is nice. Try the other fruits of the Spirit. One of them is labeled self control. It would have kept him out of trouble.


23 posted on 04/27/2014 1:43:29 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan
“An interesting thing my father noticed when he was arrested. You had an old man, handcuffed in the front, being ‘lead’ by a cop several feet away. Would anyone else under such serious charges be treated so kindly?”

-great observation.

http://uthmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Curtis-Reeves-arrested.jpg

24 posted on 04/27/2014 1:43:38 PM PDT by FBD
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To: LevinFan

I didn’t know you were a local.

Please keep me posted when this trial starts.


25 posted on 04/27/2014 1:46:30 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Cen-Tejas

According to witnesses, both men were exchanging words with each other. People have heated arguments in public all the time, without it escalating to shooting. I think it’s pretty disingenuous of Reeves to say that he feared for his life, just because of an argument.


26 posted on 04/27/2014 1:50:15 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Popman

“But hey, he’s a LEO and he gets to make up the law as he sees fit.../ S”

- you can see that same attitude in his supporters, as well.


27 posted on 04/27/2014 1:53:15 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

I’ll try, but I’m not all that up on local news. Most of my news comes from websites like this and some on radio. I’m a bit more interested in the bigger picture, where news is concerned.

part of the issue with so much going on, is a person can only pay attention to so much. Something the worst in government count upon.


28 posted on 04/27/2014 2:00:54 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: LevinFan

Excellent point. People are so inundated with fresh government abuse everyday, it’s impossible to track it all. The gubmint counts on this.


29 posted on 04/27/2014 2:08:59 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

If he’s now saying he was punched, that’s a new made up story, because he wasn’t saying that right after he murdered that guy.


30 posted on 04/27/2014 2:11:25 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: Real Cynic No More

I heard his attorneys say that in the bail hearing coverage. This article reports that as well.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/pretial-set-for-this-morning-in-movie-theater-shooting-case/2169793


31 posted on 04/27/2014 2:25:20 PM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD

I agree and have thought the same thing. I think him saying that at that instant was “instinctive cop training” surfacing at a critical instant meaning he knew that at is trial “self defense” would likely be his only cover and he wanted to get that out there.


32 posted on 04/27/2014 3:03:15 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas
I don’t have, and I suspect no one else has, enough information to come to a definitive, firm conclusion about this tragedy.

I know based on available information including a poor quality security video, his defense of "stand your ground" is completely baseless...

I'm a cranky old cop who thinks he's above the law is a much sounder defense...

33 posted on 04/27/2014 3:48:21 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Popman; Alaska Wolf; TexasFreeper2009; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou
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See! Some pigs really are more equal than others!

34 posted on 04/27/2014 3:53:31 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: Axenolith

“Shooting an unarmed guy who’s holding a box of popcorn”

The dead guy brought popcorn to the gun fight.


35 posted on 04/27/2014 4:17:41 PM PDT by sagar
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To: FBD

” I think it’s pretty disingenuous of Reeves to say that he feared for his life, just because of an argument.”

When you get shoved around and popcorn thrown at you in a dark theater setting, reasonably you feel threatened for your and your family’s well being. You have to take necessary action to deflate the situation. In this case, he was armed so used it. Now he is on trial for using his firearms to protect himself and his wife.


36 posted on 04/27/2014 4:29:20 PM PDT by sagar
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To: FBD

Thanks for the ping.

I don’t have sympathy for either side, actually. But my Granny was right; good manners saves lives.


37 posted on 04/27/2014 4:33:45 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Popman

good comments, I feel sorry for the old man and the deceased and both families. They (the shooter and the deceased) were both soooooooo wrong letting their male egos, in effect, destroy them. One should have sat down and shut up because a fatal bullet cannot be undone.

I have a business partner x chief who is 67. He and I both totally agree on this one. People are gonna be people and males, every now and then, are just going to be males, and that is about all there is to it.


38 posted on 04/27/2014 6:19:53 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: sagar

By another middle aged dork with his wife in the movie theater??? C’mon, it’s not like either of them were a couple of fight hunting Cletus’ down at the local bar...


39 posted on 04/27/2014 7:08:22 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: FBD

I’m all for stand your ground but not over a popcorn thrower. If I’m carrying and you throw popcorn on me I promise I’m not going to kill you. I may and most certainly will throw the some profanity your way but not a bullet.


40 posted on 04/27/2014 8:29:41 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sagar

What about the other patrons and Mrs. Oulson, who was shot in the hand? Is their safety of no concern to a cop who “fears for his life”? How many people’s lives do cops get to endanger for their own perceived threat “deflation”?


41 posted on 04/27/2014 10:18:09 PM PDT by FBD
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To: Georgia Girl 2; Valpal1

I agree. As Valpal1 says: “Good manners saves lives.”


42 posted on 04/27/2014 10:20:08 PM PDT by FBD
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To: null and void

funny... that looks like Carl Rove


43 posted on 04/28/2014 3:03:14 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: FBD
Awww cummon! Cops ALWAYS say they were afraid for their lives or "I felt threatened" before shooting a dog, or a child, or a random theater goer.
44 posted on 04/28/2014 3:07:04 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: null and void

Those are the magical *get out of a jam* words usually. That’s what Eric Gelhaus said after unloading 10 rounds into that kid in California, I believe. And the cops that shot those ladies 70 times, who were delivering newspapers. And the cop that shot the unarmed motorist who had crashed his car in North Carolina. “I feared for my life.”

The badge polishers can’t believe it’s not working in this case.


45 posted on 04/29/2014 7:13:48 AM PDT by FBD
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