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Focus on addiction, the country's leading cause of death
Education Stanford ^ | 2/2014 | michelle Brandt

Posted on 04/27/2014 4:45:59 PM PDT by mgist

HP: Many people don’t realize that overdose is the leading cause of accidental death in the U.S. I gave a talk about five years ago in Chicago, and I mentioned that we had more overdose deaths than traffic fatalities. My audience literally did not believe me. People were absolutely convinced that I had mis-transcribed the numbers. Every year, America loses a little over 32,000 people in auto crashes, and something like 38,000 from overdose deaths annually.

KH: Yeah, it’s remarkable if you compare overdoses to AIDS, which at its peak was taking about the same number of lives. The difference in reaction is really startling. We appropriately became galvanized about HIV/AIDS, and implemented much better public policy to prevent HIV-related deaths. It’s much harder to get traction on the overdose issue, or even to get people to believe how prevalent the problem actually is.

HP: Just to note the numbers, in 1999 there were about 4,000 prescription opiate overdoses. In 2010, there were about 16,000. By comparison, there are about 10,000 gun homicides in the United States.

KH: It is pretty amazing. Many people are focusing on the return of heroin and saying, “It’s all the fault of criminals.” You’ve got to remember, 4 in 5 of people today who start using heroin began their opioid addiction on prescription opioids. The responsibility doesn’t start today with the stereotypical criminal street dealer. We basically created this problem with legally manufactured drugs that were legally prescribed. This really flies in the face of the argument that if we just had a flow of legal drugs, the harms would be minimal.

HP: Can I ask you an embarrassingly basic question? If someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman presumably had access to all sorts of prescription opioids, why does he end up injecting heroin?

KH: That’s actually a good question. Cost drives many people to heroin. It’s more expensive to buy oxycodone than it is to buy heroin. Presumably that was a less pressing concern for Mr. Hoffman. Perhaps the intensity of the rush of injected heroin was more reinforcing to him than opioid medications were. The prescription medications have a longer, slower cycle of action in the body. His heroin use could also be the result of habit. He had experienced a heroin problem before, many years ago. It could be that that was the drug that he knew best or was available in the networks of dealers he used. I’m speculating about somebody I don’t know, but those are some possible reasons.

For most people it’s cost. Add one other thing; when people lose their health insurance, they may need the opioids to manage their pain. People sometimes end up buying street drugs including heroin to manage their pain because they have lost the insurance that used to cover their pain.


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1 posted on 04/27/2014 4:45:59 PM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist
(Puts on flame suit)

Maybe with some addicts, death isn't the problem.
Its the cure.

2 posted on 04/27/2014 4:49:07 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mgist

What America isn’t understanding is that this is social engineering at it’s finest. Soros, who laundered money for the cartels, has been pushing drug legalization, including heroin since the 90’s.http://www.aim.org/special-report/the-hidden-soros-agenda-drugs-money-the-media-and-political-power/

It is Soros’ $Billions in influence peddling, and lobbying, that have led people to believe that the war on drugs was useless. Bottom line, this crap wasn’t around when I was growing up in the drug capital of the world -Miami, in the 80’s and 90’s. There was cocaine, and since there really was a war on drugs, it was too expensive for curious kids.

What has gone on since the 90’s is BS. Big Pharma is legally destroying lives with “legal” opiates in the deceptive form of medicinal pills, and creating a nation of addicts. Politicians are addicted to the endless campaign cash in the form of Pharma and Wall Street lobbying.

Heroin is what destroyed China. Afghanistan now has unprecedented amounts of opium production, as does China, Iran, and Pakistan. Why is it getting into this country so easily?

Because we are a narco nation. Just like most countries in Latin America and Africa, our politicians have been bought and paid for by those who profit from death.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 4:49:49 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: MrEdd

that was my 19 year old son, the child of 2 military officers, you just slammed

yeah his death cured something- my tolerance of clueless idiots


4 posted on 04/27/2014 4:51:13 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

I’m so sorry. You are right people are clueless. This is intentional, and our government is complicit. Americans are being duped, conned, and lied to.

Once rare, heroin use on the rise
More people seek help; police seeing more on street
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20140316/LOCAL/303169953

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-07/australian-navy-seizes-700m-drugs-haul/5246840

Opiates are now the leading cause of accidental deaths, surpassing car crashes and alcohol. http://elitedaily.com/news/world/prescription-painkillers-overtake-car-crashes-leading-accidental-death-us/

This didn’t just accidentally happen overnight. $Millions have been poored into drug legalization efforts since at least 1996. This should be a case study in social engineering, propaganda, and lobbying, disguised as citizen activism. Big Pharma’s political donations have turned the FDA into a campaign finance for favors machine, and the Fat Cat bankers and hedge fund managers who launder money for the cartels, may not have directly broken US laws but they still have the blood of American children on their hands.


5 posted on 04/27/2014 4:53:44 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist
It's perfectly legal to be a prescription heroin junkie, as long as you pay the kings men!

Don't you dare be self sufficient or independent! Don't you dare grow your own! They will kick in your door in the middle of the night and murder you!

Isn't it funny how our govt is arming BOTH SIDES of the illicit drug trade, and they are both aiming at US?

6 posted on 04/27/2014 5:04:18 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: MrEdd

Don’t you get it? Your government is complicit with the cartels. Innocent parents have no idea what is going on. We are living in an Orwellian fantasy where truth is not available. Vulnerable kids have a vast supply of 80% pure heroin that doesn’t need to be injected. It is so pure it can be snorted.

Children are being prescribed legal opium and despite epidemic deaths, the FDA is silent. Early exposure to psychotropic drugs are known to lead to addiction.

Supply is known to be a determining factor to drug usage/ choices. Suddenly Opiates are everywhere!

Remember Holder’s ATF gave an arsenal of weapons to the Mexican cartels, in Fast and Furious?

This is Obama’s America FRiends. Help spread the word.


7 posted on 04/27/2014 5:05:25 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist
the country's leading cause of death

The leading cause of accidental death - the number is dwarfed by deaths due to any major illness such as heart disease or cancer or Alzheimer's. Addiction is responsible for about 1.5% of all deaths in the US - that's not to downplay the seriousness of the addiction issue, but heart disease, cancer, stroke, Alzheimer's and diabetes are the killers which will touch most of our families.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
8 posted on 04/27/2014 5:06:36 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Agreed, the point is we are a NARCO NATION. Heroin production and distribution is at an all time high in Afghanistan, China, etc.

The NSA that can track every legal citizen keystroke and conversation can not pretend to play dumb in what is going on.

It is all about the benjamins, and Obama was bought and paid for.


9 posted on 04/27/2014 5:11:14 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

The country’s leading cause of death are the USDA Dietary Guidelines.


10 posted on 04/27/2014 5:12:41 PM PDT by jdege
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To: mgist

There is a massive war on painkillers and because of that cancer patients and people with horrible painful diseases are suffering because doctors are scared to write prescription for these drugs because they can lose there license due to asinine laws.

So what if a junkie overdose, why the hell should sick people have to suffer for that.


11 posted on 04/27/2014 5:14:33 PM PDT by The Right wing Infidel
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To: silverleaf

When my child was less than a year old (though I had nearly twelve years in) I left the Marines to not be an absentee parent.

Your quip at me affects me to zero degree.

You and your spouse each made a choice.
It had really huge consequences for each member of your family.

Neither of you chose your son.

Yes there are clueless idiots.
Some cluelessness costs people’s children more than they should have to pay.

My car and my home have been burglarized three times since I moved to Texas. Zero parents who focused on their careers over their addict kids bother me when they get mad that I feel that the consequences of addicts continued usage reaches its predictable conclusion makes my life safer upset me.

No matter what job it was that they chose over their children.

I work the twelve step program together with some people who are addicts in a generic twelve step program.
I care about them. But they aren’t all going to get better. Some of them have stolen from me when I have given a ride to work or taken them out to eat.

Then there are the hardcases that have no interest in stopping what they are doing. They won’t work any type of program. They won’t hold a job. They won’t even bathe regularly, or tone their language down around kids and or stop making crude passes at everyone who strikes their sexual fancy. None of them are really a loss. Only God can fix them.


12 posted on 04/27/2014 5:16:09 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mgist
we are a NARCO NATION WORLD (minor edit).

International drug trade is estimated by the UN to be about $325 billion/year.

Does anyone believe a market that large is not carefully controlled by several governments?

13 posted on 04/27/2014 5:25:22 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Agreed!


14 posted on 04/27/2014 5:29:44 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Opium production is through the roof since Obama’s regime was installed. Distribution of drugs via Africa is unprecedented. Venezuela is the world’s largest distributor, and the Muslim Brothehood has it’s prints all over this.

It is about terrorism. Just not the way people might think.

What do Soros, Abu Dhabi, and Barrack Obama have in common?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/what_do_soros_abu_dhabi_and_barack_obama_have_in_common.html

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/09/Experts-Booming-Opium-Trade-May-Turn-Afghanistan-Into-Criminal-State


15 posted on 04/27/2014 5:33:23 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/22/mozambique-africas-new-narco-state

Africa has new problems these days.


16 posted on 04/27/2014 5:34:30 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist
The government complicity has been evidenced for decades by the refusal to seal the border.

Let me point something out to you.
Most parents are not unaware.

How many arguments do we have on this forum with amnestybots?
It isn't generally the illegals that they want to keep. Its the cheaper drugs.
That is why on every thread where law enforcement bad apples show themselves we get a chorus of cries for drug legalization.

Fine.

Deal with the death then.

Every addict that overdoses is someone’s family member.
But so is every burglar who gets shot at three in the morning by a homeowner.

There is not a war on drugs. If there were, the borders would be sealed. And the people who work to see to it that the borders are not sealed are not unaware.

Your premise, though well meant does not withstand scrutiny.

17 posted on 04/27/2014 5:34:42 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: The Right wing Infidel

“There is a massive war on painkillers and because of that cancer patients and people with horrible painful diseases are suffering because doctors are scared to write prescription for these drugs because they can lose there license due to asinine laws.”

That is one of the worst consequences of the false war on drugs. Innocent people who actually need the painkillers will be denied the drugs, and the criminals will still get whatever they want. I was in a meeting with our county sheriff recently, who told us that the biggest drug problem in our area was oxycodone illegally manufactured in Mexico and imported for our streets. Legally prescribed and manufactured oxycondone is not the problem.


18 posted on 04/27/2014 5:51:35 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: mgist

“We basically created this problem with legally manufactured drugs that were legally prescribed.”


19 posted on 04/27/2014 5:55:54 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: mgist

Case in point.


20 posted on 04/27/2014 6:00:11 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mgist
I don't wish to hurt anyone who has lost a loved one to drugs, but I have to say in a more gentle way what others on here are saying bluntly: if you chose to do drugs... to even start... to even try it once... I cannot dredge up too much angst for you if you overdose and die. I might even feel a tinge of relief that there is one less of that type around.

Yes, I too have had family members that chose to experiment, with varying degrees of consequence.

But here's the thing. It's not 1920. We KNOW it is dangerous. Children are warned again and again and again and again. If they decide to do it anyway, well.... this is just not behavior that I know how to empathize with. I am a big fan of learning from other people's mistakes. I really don't understand people who have to check for themselves to see if heroin is really dangerous. I mean, come on, really? Really?? You couldn't find something else to do? I'm sorry, but... I can't sympathize.

21 posted on 04/27/2014 6:00:48 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: mgist
Innocent parents have no idea what is going on.

Oh please. How long does it take to do an internet search for these things? Most of this comes back to poor parenting. What do you expect when you give a 16-year-old unsupervised internet access, a car, and a cell phone and turn him or her loose on the world? That is the difference between now and thirty years ago. Parents should have become more vigilant, but instead they've gotten lazy and more and more want to rely on the government to protect their kids.
22 posted on 04/27/2014 6:04:41 PM PDT by itzmygun (Elitism + hatred of mankind = LIBERALISM)
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To: itzmygun

You are nobody to judge the victims of this government complicit epidemic.

I have friends who are married, both doctors, with children. Their children are on Adderral as is the wife (doctor).

They recommend these drugs constantly.

If it weren’t for the fact that my nephew was given these drugs as a child, and diagnosed with an addiction disorder at 18, the weight loss side effect would be very enticing to me too.

There but for the grace of God go you.

We have an epidemic, a plague, and this affects everyone. Only the truth will set us free.


23 posted on 04/27/2014 6:18:12 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: MrEdd; mgist
Maybe with some addicts, death isn't the problem. Its the cure.

Legendary pianist Bill Evans, classically trained and basically the "inventor" of the kind of smooth, classy, cool "cocktail" jazz you'd hear at an elegant high-end party, was a heroin addict who died of all the complications of heroin addiction, though not an overdose. He was an amazing musician, and one friend who knew him said it was "the world's longest suicide."

Addiction is about 90 percent a moral issue, and about 10 percent a medical one.

24 posted on 04/27/2014 6:34:24 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: mgist

Two people helping this happen are your friends, yet it is the people on this board (who are merely pointing out the inevitability of the consequences) which you lash out against.

Perhaps you might direct your ire to the two parties where it might properly do some good.


25 posted on 04/27/2014 6:44:56 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Finny

It is, and will always be, an issue of supply and demand. The Federal governments job is to protect citizens. Instead banks, Soros, are laundering Billions $, and rest assured that money is greasing a lot of palms. May God help us.

This government has done endless research and knows addiction is an issue of supply, which affects demand. https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/policy/99ndcs/iv-g.html

http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/131005/venezuela-is-the-first-drug-trafficker-in-latin-america

http://www.channel4.com/news/venezuela-most-dangerous-place-earth-murder-monica-spear-colombia-drugs

Everyone one of us will reach a point in our lives when we are in pain, when we are curious, or when we are with negative influences. Young minds will always be vulnerable, and if there is a vast supply of opiates in pill or inhalant format, it is likely anyone will try.

That is what is going on today. The evil one always seeks death and slavery and our loved ones are all at risk.


26 posted on 04/27/2014 6:48:54 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: Finny
I have his Portrait In Jazz album. A lot of early Jazz musicians were lost to heroin.
27 posted on 04/27/2014 6:49:19 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mgist
What has gone on since the 90’s is BS. Big Pharma is legally destroying lives with “legal” opiates in the deceptive form of medicinal pills, and creating a nation of addicts.

With the full support of government-run education system and child-focused programs that buy 100 percent in diagnosing personal behaviors that are perfectly humanly normal and old as time, into psychological ISSyews such as short attention spans and bursts of energy and anger and aggression, requiring chemical "treatment" in teens, teen agers, hormones raging, normal kids ... rowdy, God-blessed normal American boys and girls ...

... instead of giving them a world where they can work all that out by getting a job to earn money and enjoy life and get in trouble and learn from their mistakes and generally pursue happiness, government, between minimum wage and centralized education, has nourished a system that "protects" American kids into idle self-absorbed twitterhood and drugs the ones that resist for having ADD. SICK SICK SICK. Drugging children! Government has nourished it in official capacity; remove government ... and that will at least weaken the problem and make kids healthier.

Government involved in medicine is amoral disaster ensured.

28 posted on 04/27/2014 6:55:01 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: mgist

People volunteer to become addicts. All of us who kicked an addiction are an indictment on those who didn’t. It’s not easy but it’s something you want to do.
People don’t die from addiction. They die from choices. I know adrenaline junkies who are dead from their choices.


29 posted on 04/27/2014 6:55:47 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: MrEdd

Im giving you one example of educated people making poor decisions. Most people listen to their doctors. Is that a bad moral decision? NO is it a lack of vigilance? Yes.

Since big brother is sheltering us from truth, you really can’t blame the victims.

We have to inform people. That is my only point. Stay away from prescription drugs, beware doctors, and make your children aware that terrorists are out to get them via drugs.

If your children are in public schools be extra careful. Pray for your kids everyday parents. Lift them up to God, because there is a war that is beyond most people’s comprehension.

“Our whole nation is being flooded with heroin,” said District Attorney David Heckler.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=9455706


30 posted on 04/27/2014 6:57:16 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: Finny

It takes a pillage.


31 posted on 04/27/2014 6:57:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Finny

Agreed! But more like money is the root of all evil. It is ALL about the benjamins.


32 posted on 04/27/2014 6:58:52 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

You and I think alike. The problem isn`t the vast quantities available. There could be a million dollars worth of heroin free and I wouldn`t touch_much less try_it. The problem is weak/stupid people. I don`t think many are chased down and given heroin/coke/meth against their will. They choose it. Many poisons are available to people daily and they are not taken. Addicts can`t deal with life. They seek constant escape . Everyone KNOWS how deadly drugs are in this day and age. To choose to start the is-IMO-a subconscious death wish. The addict is the problem. No customers...no product.


33 posted on 04/27/2014 7:05:03 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (When anyone says its not about Islam...it's about Islam. That death cult must be eradicated.)
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To: jdege
The country’s leading cause of death are the USDA Dietary Guidelines.

Yep. Stupid times ten. The only one stupider is vegan.

What the hell is government doing in the mix? Are we people incapable of understanding nutrition otherwise? But it's for the children!

34 posted on 04/27/2014 7:05:49 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Exactly. I might try it one day if it’s legalized and I’m 80 and already dying of liver cancer. Otherwise, no. I mean, geez.


35 posted on 04/27/2014 7:09:16 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: The Right wing Infidel
There is a massive war on painkillers and because of that cancer patients and people with horrible painful diseases are suffering because doctors are scared to write prescription for these drugs because they can lose there license due to asinine laws.

Yes.

So what if a junkie overdose, why the hell should sick people have to suffer for that.

The problem is that that "junkie" probably is a guy who is in chronic physical pain but his doc cut him off or never prescribed because of regulations. Being in pain makes you a little nuts and that can lead you to getting your relief from a dealer because you can not from the doctor. But the stuff you get from the dealer might not be pure or it might be too pure.

Result death.

36 posted on 04/27/2014 7:14:03 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Avid Coug
Legally prescribed and manufactured oxycondone is not the problem.

Good point.

In a bigger picture than addiction, even the street drugs are I think related to an addiction culture, is prescribing psychotropic drugs for *flame retardant suit* ADD and behavioral stuff with the blessings of Authority and government. Pain killer are one thing. It's a hard difficult moral issue, not a medical one. But American "medicine" sets up an intrinsic acceptance of the whole concept, the "normal" of being on prescription drugs even in your early teens. That's the thing that bothers me most.

37 posted on 04/27/2014 7:14:20 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: silverleaf

My condolences, for your loss. My son lost two good friends, by overdose, he was ‘lucky’ to have been arrested, for pill possession, now in his fourth year of sobriety. I can’t fathom how deep a tragedy it must be, for you.


38 posted on 04/27/2014 7:21:02 PM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: mgist

thank you
going to drug addiction treatment programs for 3 years was a real eye opener
kids addicted to drugs are not bums, they are heartbreakingly beautiful kids from nice families, and they made a bad choice and it cost them, who aming us never made a bad choice? I just believe some of us are lucky or were chosen for some reason to go on and not pay the ultimate price for making bad choices, and others were and did and it cost them forever, but it also cost the world. What, we will never know


39 posted on 04/27/2014 7:22:47 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: A_perfect_lady
But here's the thing. It's not 1920. We KNOW it is dangerous.

They knew it was dangerous then! They've always known it would be the pit to hell for some people. Drug addiction is a moral issue, YOU ARE CORRECT.

The medical and education establishments, hewn solely by government, become puffed and dangerous when addiction is classified as a medical or legal "issue."

Regardless,it is a moral issue and always will be.

40 posted on 04/27/2014 7:23:06 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: A_perfect_lady

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/07/09/070709fa_fact_anderson?currentPage=all

Regardless of your concern for the victims of this government supported onslought of heroin in the market, terrorists are benifiting from the misery(or weakness) of American children. We will all pay a heavy price for this.

Good luck to the inocent children you love.


41 posted on 04/27/2014 7:23:21 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: MrEdd

Well talk about doubling down on nasty, you made a big ASSumption about our lives and how we raised our child, didn’t you? Feel justified now that his death was our fault and his life was no great loss to society?

I hope you kid learned compassion from someone because it isn’t something it seems like you could model

God Bless

and may your beloved child never make a bad decision that costs them their life and have someone blame your parenting for it


42 posted on 04/27/2014 7:29:06 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: mgist

The Real Winner of the Afghan War Is This Shady Military Contractor

by Jacob SiegelApr 24, 2014 6:13 am EDT

The State Department paid out $4 billion to rebuild Afghanistan. Some $2.5 billion of that went to a single firm with a bad, bad past.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/24/the-real-winner-of-the-afghan-war-is-this-shady-military-contractor.html


43 posted on 04/27/2014 7:33:35 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Do you also feel a tinge of relief when a 16 year drives too fast and wraps himself around a tree? After all, we warn them, don’t we? They KNOW it’s dangerous

Just one less bad driver around, right?

After all, good teenager always listen to all the advice we give them and those that don’t, well, no great loss, they have it coming

I can still hear my sons voice: “I know, I know, I’m not stupid Mom!”

No son, you were not stupid
but you were overconfident in your ability to handle something we warned you against, something that is becoming upper and middle class mainline and far more common than many folks can contemplate until it smack them in the jaw

Geez, what an abnormal teenage behavior.

And now that he’s dead, people like you are relieved?

Karma, baby- I believe in it and it is a small grim comfort


44 posted on 04/27/2014 7:39:10 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

I’m sorry, I put it as gently as I could. But both my father and my sister also wanted to experiment with drugs. One died and the other lived. My opinion stands.


45 posted on 04/27/2014 7:42:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: jttpwalsh

thanks, I wish my son had been lucky
I hope you get to become a grandparent someday, what a blessing


46 posted on 04/27/2014 7:43:28 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: A_perfect_lady

as does mine

the rising teen drug death rate must bring you a lot of relief
too bad you have to stifle saying it to some family’s face

or maybe you do


47 posted on 04/27/2014 7:45:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

You’ll never know.


48 posted on 04/27/2014 7:46:01 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: silverleaf

Thank you.


49 posted on 04/27/2014 7:48:13 PM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: mgist
Opium production is through the roof since Obama’s regime was installed

Is this the main reason we're still in Afghanistan?

50 posted on 04/27/2014 7:54:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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